The #SuckForGoff Watch

Not saying he's the guy, but of the bottom teams in the league, most have recently signed/drafted their future QB. There shouldn't be too many teams chasing a QB early... Maybe Houston and NO.

I would rather just try and sign a qb. I mean starting a rookie qb is never a good idea. even if he's a first round pick. Look at recent examples: Blake Bortles, Jameis Winston, Mariota. The best qbs that have fared so so in that situation are Teddy Bridgewater and Derek Carr, and they were late 1st/2nd round guys.

I would much rather take a 2nd or 3rd round qb and use a 1st rounder on an impact player that we know is going to help the team right away.

Plus, all these college qbs play out of the shotgun. Goff is great, but he's still a shotgun QB. Im not fully confident with those.

Originally posted by LZRD_WZRD:
I'm pretty impressed by that USC game last year. Goff was constantly under pressure and the Trojan D kept his receivers contained for most of the game. Still he kept fighting and almost led a comeback. His arm strength is pretty average and he misses some throws. However he seems to have good pocket presence and can make quick decisions. He reminds be a little bit of Brady, but a better comparison might be a less timid Alex Smith. He's looking like a guy who should go around the 3rd from what I've seen.

No. He has one of the strongest arms in college football. 3rd rounder? No.

Originally posted by ivanm05:
I would rather just try and sign a qb. I mean starting a rookie qb is never a good idea. even if he's a first round pick. Look at recent examples: Blake Bortles, Jameis Winston, Mariota. The best qbs that have fared so so in that situation are Teddy Bridgewater and Derek Carr, and they were late 1st/2nd round guys.

I would much rather take a 2nd or 3rd round qb and use a 1st rounder on an impact player that we know is going to help the team right away.

Plus, all these college qbs play out of the shotgun. Goff is great, but he's still a shotgun QB. Im not fully confident with those.

Mariota looks pretty good so far actually despite playing on the Titans and I think it's too early to say both he and Jameis will have bad rookie seasons. It's tough for high first round pick QB's to perform well immediately because they're generally going to bad teams. Go back a few more years and you get Wilson, RG3, Luck, and Newton who were all great their rookie years (Wilson wasn't a 1st round pick, but the others were top 2 picks). Tannehill and Bridgewater also had decent rookie years. Hard to say it's never a good idea when a number of QB's have had success as rookies in recent history.

1st round QB's the last 3 years:
2012:
Luck
RG3
Tannehill
Weeden

2013:
EJ Manuel

2014:
Bortles
Manziel
Bridgewater

I'd be fine with drafting a 1st round QB and sitting him for a year. I don't think we'll find a 2nd-3rd round QB that will surpass Kaepernick in the near future.

Originally posted by Black24Razor:

Originally posted by LZRD_WZRD:

I'm pretty impressed by that USC game last year. Goff was constantly under pressure and the Trojan D kept his receivers contained for most of the game. Still he kept fighting and almost led a comeback. His arm strength is pretty average and he misses some throws. However he seems to have good pocket presence and can make quick decisions. He reminds be a little bit of Brady, but a better comparison might be a less timid Alex Smith. He's looking like a guy who should go around the 3rd from what I've seen.

No. He has one of the strongest arms in college football. 3rd rounder? No.

You can't possibly think he has a strong arm. What tape have you seen that shows otherwise?

And why should a guy who's underweight, plays in a spread offense, and has average arm strength go higher?

Originally posted by LZRD_WZRD:
You can't possibly think he has a strong arm. What tape have you seen that shows otherwise?

And why should a guy who's underweight, plays in a spread offense, and has average arm strength go higher?

Every game he's played since he was a Freshman in High School..is that enough tape for you? But, why would every football pundit be wrong?

Originally posted by Black24Razor:

Originally posted by LZRD_WZRD:

You can't possibly think he has a strong arm. What tape have you seen that shows otherwise?

And why should a guy who's underweight, plays in a spread offense, and has average arm strength go higher?

Every game he's played since he was a Freshman in High School..is that enough tape for you? But, why would every football pundit be wrong?

I've seen his tape, his arm strength is not that impressive. I'm not saying he's got a noodle arm, but he's not a guy with a big arm like Stafford/Flacco etc. I've seen him compared to Tannehill and that seems appropriate.

And I'm not the only one who isn't enamored with his arm. I've seen a lot of skepticism about his vertical passing ability.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by ivanm05:
I would rather just try and sign a qb. I mean starting a rookie qb is never a good idea. even if he's a first round pick. Look at recent examples: Blake Bortles, Jameis Winston, Mariota. The best qbs that have fared so so in that situation are Teddy Bridgewater and Derek Carr, and they were late 1st/2nd round guys.

I would much rather take a 2nd or 3rd round qb and use a 1st rounder on an impact player that we know is going to help the team right away.

Plus, all these college qbs play out of the shotgun. Goff is great, but he's still a shotgun QB. Im not fully confident with those.

Mariota looks pretty good so far actually despite playing on the Titans and I think it's too early to say both he and Jameis will have bad rookie seasons. It's tough for high first round pick QB's to perform well immediately because they're generally going to bad teams. Go back a few more years and you get Wilson, RG3, Luck, and Newton who were all great their rookie years (Wilson wasn't a 1st round pick, but the others were top 2 picks). Tannehill and Bridgewater also had decent rookie years. Hard to say it's never a good idea when a number of QB's have had success as rookies in recent history.

1st round QB's the last 3 years:
2012:
Luck
RG3
Tannehill
Weeden

2013:
EJ Manuel

2014:
Bortles
Manziel
Bridgewater

I'd be fine with drafting a 1st round QB and sitting him for a year. I don't think we'll find a 2nd-3rd round QB that will surpass Kaepernick in the near future.

Yeah, i hear you. Im coming more from the angle of...if we draft a qb in the 1st, and it doesn't pan out, it puts us further back than having missed on a different position. I would much rather draft along the dline or oline. Thats where you build teams, and lets not kid ourselves, thats what we're doing now.. were building a team.

Unless its a cant miss 1st round qb like Luck, i say draft a different position of need and then look for suitable (under the radar qb like Carr or Bridgewater)

Originally posted by ivanm05:
I would rather just try and sign a qb. I mean starting a rookie qb is never a good idea. even if he's a first round pick. Look at recent examples: Blake Bortles, Jameis Winston, Mariota. The best qbs that have fared so so in that situation are Teddy Bridgewater and Derek Carr, and they were late 1st/2nd round guys.

I would much rather take a 2nd or 3rd round qb and use a 1st rounder on an impact player that we know is going to help the team right away.

Plus, all these college qbs play out of the shotgun. Goff is great, but he's still a shotgun QB. Im not fully confident with those.

We did this in the 2011 draft. I say go QB early

Originally posted by asu49ers:

Originally posted by ivanm05:
I would rather just try and sign a qb. I mean starting a rookie qb is never a good idea. even if he's a first round pick. Look at recent examples: Blake Bortles, Jameis Winston, Mariota. The best qbs that have fared so so in that situation are Teddy Bridgewater and Derek Carr, and they were late 1st/2nd round guys.

I would much rather take a 2nd or 3rd round qb and use a 1st rounder on an impact player that we know is going to help the team right away.

Plus, all these college qbs play out of the shotgun. Goff is great, but he's still a shotgun QB. Im not fully confident with those.

We did this in the 2011 draft. I say go QB early

We can't go Qb in the first just for the sake of saying you have a first round qb. If you have a high 1st round pick, and there's no sure fire franchise QB, are you going to take him just because you took Kap in the 2nd in 2011, it didnt work out, and you think it'll happen again?

I'm not opposed to taking one in the 1st ... but as of yet I have not seen one that I would gamble on. Maybe Connor Cook but not with a top 5 pick, not yet at least.

Originally posted by LaMattsBlue:

LOL at vrabbit thinking we will be anywhere close to the number 1 overall pick. And this guy writes for the zone. We may not be playoff caliber, but we are at at least top 20 in the league.

Lol

Originally posted by asu49ers:
We did this in the 2011 draft. I say go QB early

How did all those QB's taken in the first round of that draft wind up?


I'm not especially thrilled with the caliber of quarterback at the top of the upcoming draft. I think you might have just as much success with a guy in the middle rounds as you would with one of the top QB's next year. Cook is likely the top guy but he still doesn't really excite me. Solid prospect, good arm strength and build, nothing that jumps off the page at you though.

We just need to target a legit QB and go and get him. This is not the time to get cute and try to find a Tom Brady in the 6th round. I don't think we can afford to wait beyond the 2nd round. I will use Jimmy Garoppolo as an example, a guy I wanted to draft, a legit QB prospect who went in the 2nd. Pending on the guy we want plus having to make sure we secure the pick, the chances are we will have to take someone in the 1st. With the way things are going, is looking more and more like a 4-12 season, I think we should be in a pretty good position to take a top QB pick.

Originally posted by Rascal:
We just need to target a legit QB and go and get him. This is not the time to get cute and try to find a Tom Brady in the 6th round. I don't think we can afford to wait beyond the 2nd round. I will use Jimmy Garoppolo as an example, a guy I wanted to draft, a legit QB prospect who went in the 2nd. Pending on the guy we want plus having to make sure we secure the pick, the chances are we will have to take someone in the 1st. With the way things are going, is looking more and more like a 4-12 season, I think we should be in a pretty good position to take a top QB pick.

If we pick high enough to choose a blue chip QB, by all means.

I'm not too fond of any of the QBs who will likely be in this draft tho. Maybe someone establishes himself as a stud during the process.

I'd be cool with a QB in the 2nd rd. Would not want to trade up in the 1st under any circumstances. Don't want a RGIII type of trade that ends up rebuilding another team (STL) lol.