The #SuckForGoff Watch | Page 11 | 49ers Webzone Forum

vrabbit · 2015-08-31T17:36:26-07:00

In an ideal world Kap will bounce back and we won't be part of this watch, but as the outlook doesn't seem to be too bright there's no reason not have this thread (especially after a Connor Cook Watch thread started earlier today). Now I'm a Cal fan so you'll get a lot of compliments from me on Goff though I'm definitely not here to sell him as Andrew Luck 1.01. First, some evidence: (as of this post these are the only 3 videos up in draftbreakdown on him, 2015 vs SDSU added on 9/18/15, at Texas added on 9/25/15)) Pros: I love his feet (no fetish) after the ball is snapped - constantly moving but in a very controlled fashion which allows him to make a good throw at any given time. He has very good accuracy as evidenced by the film which will show the ball is almost always between the numbers. Great, not elite, arm strength that allows him to make all the throws. Different release points. Above average at scanning the field and going through his progressions. Above-average pocket presence/awareness. Not a statue - not Kap either by any means as far as being a running threat but he has good mobility and will pick up yards on the ground if you ignore that part of his game completely. He'll throw a good ball on the run. Good command of the huddle and gets a ++ for leadership thanks to being named team captain for a second straight season (by his teammates this time around, I forget whether by players or coaches last season). Experience - a starter since game one of his true freshman season. Cons: Decision-making can and definitely needs to improve. Still too many head-scratching decisions as the film will also show. Legitimate questions about his frame and whether he's too fragile for the NFL. He reportedly played at 210lbs last season (he's 6'4") and reports indicate he's up to 215lbs right now although I'll believe it when I see him in action starting this weekend. To be fair, he hasn't missed a game yet in two full seasons as a starter but defenses are a whole different monster at the pro level so concerns about how fragile he may be are definitely legit. On the plus side that same frame should allow him to put on some weight so we'll just have to wait and see until a combine weigh-in. By all accounts a smart/bright kid but can he quickly adapt to a pro-style system? This will be a big question when teams consider whether to grade him as a first rounder. He plays strictly from the gun (some pistol) and so there's very little film of him taking a snap under center and dropping back. There will also be a question about whether he can handle a more complex offense (he's admitted on interviews that coaches make game-plans easy) but this is less of a concern to me as he is bright/smart with a very good football IQ. ***************** The stats will make you like him and this is partly a result of the system although make no mistake - a lot of it is a result of how good Goff is. 2013 (true freshman): 320/531 (60.3%), 3,508yds (6.6 avg) 18TD 10INT 123.2 rating. 2014 (sophomore): 316/509 (62.1%), 3,973yds (7.8 avg), 35TD, 7INT, 147.6 rating. My projections for 2015: 338/520 (65%), 4,500yds, 43TD, 10INT. What we can all agree on is that as far as QB prospects go Goff is definitely someone to keep our eyes on this season. He's said all the right things this offseason as far as the draft hype goes. Not listening to it, not focused on the future, wants to win at Cal, wants to win every week and everything else will take care of itself. It remains to be seen whether he'll really be able to deal with that pressure during the season. For those of you who know nothing about Goff, make sure you have time to read this piece: http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/25297136/how-cals-jared-goff-became-nations-top-nfl-quarterback-prospect

Sep 30, 2015 at 2:44 PM

#151

49er-from-Yavin-IV
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Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Rascal:
We don't have a choice, we have to tank.

Not going to happen. Thankfully.

No foresight, then feel free to look forward to 10 years of prolonged pain.

So many stupid tank threads over the years. The last one I recall was the Suck for Bush movement. Headed up, iirc, by NolanNonsense. There was this running back, see, called Reggie Bush. He was going to reinvent the position. We absolutely had to have him. Or we would just have 10 years of prolonged pain.

The list of failed No 1 draft picks is long. Very long. No one takes a young team and gets them to lose on the off chance that next year's first draft pick might be a success. Except internet posters who know full well that by the time they are proved utterly wrong, their words will be forgotten.

Hey man, I hate to have to bring this up. What if the 9ers had drafted Aaron Rodgers in 2005 huh? Need I say more?

Hang in there, may be we will finally get it right?!

Rodgers would have gotten beat to death because our offensive line sucked, and he's pretty fragile.

Who is to say that Aaron Rodgers would be as good as he is had he been drafted by the 49ers.

Even if Goff is the second coming of Rodgers and say he does declare for the 2016 draft, we'll probably win just enough games to watch another team draft him.

Sep 30, 2015 at 3:00 PM

#152

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Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Rascal:
We don't have a choice, we have to tank.

Not going to happen. Thankfully.

Nobody does that. Nobody EVER does that. I'm continually amused when fans suggest it. How does it work? Are professional players or coaches going to purposely hurt their resume or their career stats? Are all the individuals on a team going to get together and say to themselves 'let's play a lot worse than we actually can. Nobody will notice.' Is a coaching staff going to purposely put together a bad game plan? And if someone is looking at it later trying to figure out whether to hire them, are they going to just explain that they sucked on purpose? Come on, people. It just doesn't make any sense.

Sep 30, 2015 at 3:07 PM

#153

Rascal
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Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Rascal:
We don't have a choice, we have to tank.

Not going to happen. Thankfully.

Nobody does that. Nobody EVER does that. I'm continually amused when fans suggest it. How does it work? Are professional players or coaches going to purposely hurt their resume or their career stats? Are all the individuals on a team going to get together and say to themselves 'let's play a lot worse than we actually can. Nobody will notice.' Is a coaching staff going to purposely put together a bad game plan? And if someone is looking at it later trying to figure out whether to hire them, are they going to just explain that they sucked on purpose? Come on, people. It just doesn't make any sense.

Nobody does that you say? Meanwhile the Bears are having a garage sale. Oh I am sure they are trying to get better. Yes, they are, but just not this season. LOL.

Sep 30, 2015 at 3:11 PM

#154

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Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Rascal:
We don't have a choice, we have to tank.

Not going to happen. Thankfully.

No foresight, then feel free to look forward to 10 years of prolonged pain.

So many stupid tank threads over the years. The last one I recall was the Suck for Bush movement. Headed up, iirc, by NolanNonsense. There was this running back, see, called Reggie Bush. He was going to reinvent the position. We absolutely had to have him. Or we would just have 10 years of prolonged pain.

The list of failed No 1 draft picks is long. Very long. No one takes a young team and gets them to lose on the off chance that next year's first draft pick might be a success. Except internet posters who know full well that by the time they are proved utterly wrong, their words will be forgotten.

Hey man, I hate to have to bring this up. What if the 9ers had drafted Aaron Rodgers in 2005 huh? Need I say more?

Hang in there, may be we will finally get it right?!

Rodgers would have gotten beat to death because our offensive line sucked, and he's pretty fragile.
Who is to say that Aaron Rodgers would be as good as he is had he been drafted by the 49ers.

Even if Goff is the second coming of Rodgers and say he does declare for the 2016 draft, we'll probably win just enough games to watch another team draft him.

Who is to say Aaron Rodgers wouldn't have been as good had he been drafted by the 9ers?

As for Goff, I have already said it together with many posters, we need to tank. There is no purpose not to tank when you are already getting blown out repeatedly by teams. There is nothing to gain not to tank. So what say if you win 4-5 games? Where does that get you? Nowhere.

Sep 30, 2015 at 3:17 PM

#155

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Originally posted by Rascal:
Nobody does that you say? Meanwhile the Bears are having a garage sale. Oh I am sure they are trying to get better. Yes, they are, but just not this season. LOL.

Would you hire a coach or a player who purposely lost a game for any reason? No GM in any professional sport would do that.

Sep 30, 2015 at 3:22 PM

#156

crake49
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Originally posted by Rascal:
Who is to say Aaron Rodgers wouldn't have been as good had he been drafted by the 9ers?

As for Goff, I have already said it together with many posters, we need to tank. There is no purpose not to tank when you are already getting blown out repeatedly by teams. There is nothing to gain not to tank. So what say if you win 4-5 games? Where does that get you? Nowhere.

I can say that. Take Rodgers just out of Cal and throw him right in there behind that circa-2005 O-line and he'd get beaten up just like Smith did. Take Smith right out of college and let him sit for a few years behind Brett Favre and I'm guessing he would be a better QB than he was after a few years with the Niners.

Sep 30, 2015 at 4:19 PM

#157

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Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Rascal:
Nobody does that you say? Meanwhile the Bears are having a garage sale. Oh I am sure they are trying to get better. Yes, they are, but just not this season. LOL.

Would you hire a coach or a player who purposely lost a game for any reason? No GM in any professional sport would do that.

Absolutely I would. The HC doesn't make that decision anyway, is the organization. Is about being strategically smart for the good of the team and not being a dumb as* trying to act tough oh I will fight till the end crap and achieve sweet FA.

Sep 30, 2015 at 4:22 PM

#158

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Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Rascal:
Nobody does that you say? Meanwhile the Bears are having a garage sale. Oh I am sure they are trying to get better. Yes, they are, but just not this season. LOL.

Would you hire a coach or a player who purposely lost a game for any reason? No GM in any professional sport would do that.

Absolutely I would. The HC doesn't make that decision anyway, is the organization. Is about being strategically smart for the good of the team and not being a dumb as* trying to act tough oh I will fight till the end crap and achieve sweet FA.

Oh plus who is the HC? Is only frigging Tomsula, we need to fire his as* anyway. LOL. So, who cares?! Hahhaha.

Sep 30, 2015 at 4:26 PM

#159

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The logic in the thread becomes smaller and smaller with each thread. You draft high, you draft impact players like oline and a d end or an olb in a 3-4 scheme. There is need on this team for edge rushing and oline help. Goff has some tools but not enough to warrant a 49ers first round pick in the 2016 draft.

Sep 30, 2015 at 4:33 PM

#160

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Originally posted by Temecula49ersfan:
The logic in the thread becomes smaller and smaller with each thread. You draft high, you draft impact players like oline and a d end or an olb in a 3-4 scheme. There is need on this team for edge rushing and oline help. Goff has some tools but not enough to warrant a 49ers first round pick in the 2016 draft.

You are nuts. So, you keep a shi*ty QB and wait until when you might finally draft a decent QB? 2 years from now? You add on another year of sitting on the bench, that is 3 years. This is precisely how you drag the team and its fans through years of pain. My God, where is that sense of urgency huh?

Sep 30, 2015 at 5:01 PM

#161

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Originally posted by Rascal:
Originally posted by Temecula49ersfan:
The logic in the thread becomes smaller and smaller with each thread. You draft high, you draft impact players like oline and a d end or an olb in a 3-4 scheme. There is need on this team for edge rushing and oline help. Goff has some tools but not enough to warrant a 49ers first round pick in the 2016 draft.

You are nuts. So, you keep a shi*ty QB and wait until when you might finally draft a decent QB? 2 years from now? You add on another year of sitting on the bench, that is 3 years. This is precisely how you drag the team and its fans through years of pain. My God, where is that sense of urgency huh?

Man the Raiders really made out when they were able to draft JaMarcus Russell with the first pick. The NFL draft is so unknown why would you ever tank on purpose. Also players and coaches will never tank if they want to keep their job. So just stop

Sep 30, 2015 at 5:22 PM

#162

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Originally posted by footballxpaul:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by Temecula49ersfan:
The logic in the thread becomes smaller and smaller with each thread. You draft high, you draft impact players like oline and a d end or an olb in a 3-4 scheme. There is need on this team for edge rushing and oline help. Goff has some tools but not enough to warrant a 49ers first round pick in the 2016 draft.

You are nuts. So, you keep a shi*ty QB and wait until when you might finally draft a decent QB? 2 years from now? You add on another year of sitting on the bench, that is 3 years. This is precisely how you drag the team and its fans through years of pain. My God, where is that sense of urgency huh?

Man the Raiders really made out when they were able to draft JaMarcus Russell with the first pick. The NFL draft is so unknown why would you ever tank on purpose. Also players and coaches will never tank if they want to keep their job. So just stop

Are we talking about draft busts or tanking here? Those are 2 different things. You can draft a bust whether you tank or not.

Sep 30, 2015 at 5:27 PM

#163

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Sep 30, 2015 at 5:35 PM

#164

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Originally posted by crake49:
Nobody does that. Nobody EVER does that. I'm continually amused when fans suggest it. How does it work? Are professional players or coaches going to purposely hurt their resume or their career stats? Are all the individuals on a team going to get together and say to themselves 'let's play a lot worse than we actually can. Nobody will notice.' Is a coaching staff going to purposely put together a bad game plan? And if someone is looking at it later trying to figure out whether to hire them, are they going to just explain that they sucked on purpose? Come on, people. It just doesn't make any sense.

You must not have watch the Colts when they were missing Peyton. Can you say with a straight face that the QB position was responsible for that teams showing? How exactly did he make their defense worse? Then, they draft Luck, and magically are back to a playoff team with a rookie QB and rookie INTERIM coach. You're right, nobody does it. Ever.

Sep 30, 2015 at 5:55 PM

#165

Rascal
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Originally posted by footballxpaul:
Man the Raiders really made out when they were able to draft JaMarcus Russell with the first pick. The NFL draft is so unknown why would you ever tank on purpose. Also players and coaches will never tank if they want to keep their job. So just stop

Did the Colts make it out alright with Andrew Luck as the overall No. 1 pick you think? LOL.