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May 2, 2015 at 8:43 PM
- cNiner
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why would we draft a punter ?
May 2, 2015 at 8:46 PM
- Bobdawg78
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Perhaps they feel Pinion can do as good or a better job than Lee? Also Lee is very highly paid for a punter, and Pinion would give them some good savings, not to mention Pinion can kick off for the team, something Dawson isn't very effective at anymore. Maybe we have a team we can trade Lee to as well?
May 2, 2015 at 8:53 PM
- 4everFaithful
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Overall I think this was a good draft, I like almost all the players we selected.
.... but the fact that Baalke didn't draft a CB or WR (Smelter won't play this season), which in my opinion are our 2 biggest needs baffles me. Regardless of what many of you believe, we are not good at CB or WR. We are mediocre at best. Let's just hope Brock and Ward play this whole season without injury. And let's hope Boldin doesn't have to carry us. Torrey Smith will be solid but only for a few big plays he won't be as consistent as Boldin, mark my words. Many of you believe Smith will come in and be our best WR, you are sadly mistaken.
Rd 1: Armstead - Should've taken Marcus Peters.
Rd 2: Tartt - I like him, but we don't need a Safety.
Rd 3: Harlod - Great pick.
Rd 4: Bell - Has potential, but a bit of a reach.
Rd 4: Davis - Love this pick.
Rd 4: Smelter - Like this pick, but hate the injuries.
Rd 5: Pinion - A punter? Really?
Draft Grade: C+
.... but the fact that Baalke didn't draft a CB or WR (Smelter won't play this season), which in my opinion are our 2 biggest needs baffles me. Regardless of what many of you believe, we are not good at CB or WR. We are mediocre at best. Let's just hope Brock and Ward play this whole season without injury. And let's hope Boldin doesn't have to carry us. Torrey Smith will be solid but only for a few big plays he won't be as consistent as Boldin, mark my words. Many of you believe Smith will come in and be our best WR, you are sadly mistaken.
Rd 1: Armstead - Should've taken Marcus Peters.
Rd 2: Tartt - I like him, but we don't need a Safety.
Rd 3: Harlod - Great pick.
Rd 4: Bell - Has potential, but a bit of a reach.
Rd 4: Davis - Love this pick.
Rd 4: Smelter - Like this pick, but hate the injuries.
Rd 5: Pinion - A punter? Really?
Draft Grade: C+
May 2, 2015 at 8:53 PM
- Phoenix49ers
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I give Matt Miller an A for being on point all weekend, dude was all over this draft for the 49ers.
Matt Miller @nfldraftscout · May 1
49ers drafted my No. 16 overall player at No. 17 and got two extra picks. Not a bad pick at all.
Matt Miller @nfldraftscout · May 1 Really want Tartt to the 49ers
Matt Miller @nfldraftscout · May 1 If I had to guess, I'd say 49ers go RB in Rd 4.
Matt Miller @nfldraftscout · 13h 13 hours ago I could see David Cobb and Blake Bell being a target for the 49ers today.
May 2, 2015 at 9:16 PM
- NCommand
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I give Matt Miller an A for being on point all weekend, dude was all over this draft for the 49ers.
Matt Miller @nfldraftscout · May 1
49ers drafted my No. 16 overall player at No. 17 and got two extra picks. Not a bad pick at all.
Matt Miller @nfldraftscout · May 1 Really want Tartt to the 49ers
Matt Miller @nfldraftscout · May 1 If I had to guess, I'd say 49ers go RB in Rd 4.
Matt Miller @nfldraftscout · 13h 13 hours ago I could see David Cobb and Blake Bell being a target for the 49ers today.
Impressive. It's obvious fans in here don't even know how we're going to use our own players let alone what our ACTUAL "needs" were.
[ Edited by NCommand on May 3, 2015 at 7:13 AM ]
May 2, 2015 at 9:17 PM
- NinerSickness
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The answer to the multiple-choice question posed thusly:
May 2, 2015 at 9:25 PM
- dtg_9er
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Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Solid B with the potential for more:
Arik Armstead - Likely inactive a lot in 2015, but should anchor the LDE position for years to come
Jaquiski "Pop" Tartt - Special teamer now, but could be the eventual starter next to Reid with size, speed and athleticism
Eli Harold - Could be an excellent nickel pass rusher or eventual starter should Aldon/Lynch regress
Blake Bell - Love his size at the TE position and could be a match-up nightmare
Mike Davis - LOVE THIS PICK. Reminds me a lot of Gore and think he's an ideal compliment to Hyde
DeAndre Smelter - LOVE THIS PICK EVEN MORE. IMO, potential #1 talent once healthy. Major steal here
The punter - No commentIan Silberman - ???
Trenton Brown - If he can keep his weight in check, has the potential to be a dominating o-lineman
Rory "Busta" Anderson - Great height/speed combo at TE; could be a major steal if he can develop and stay healthy
Clearly it all depends on how they develop, but there is absolutely no doubt that they drafted a ton of talent with the common themes of size, speed and ability.
I'm pretty close to total agreement with you on these picks! Not sure about Davis, though reading about Baalke's connection with Spurier and how well prepared So Carollina RBs are to block, receive as well as run it made me more confident in the guy. One of the knocks on him was a tendency to fumble at crucial moments...but I don't know how true that was or common.
Really like Smelter and the two TEs. And then the UDFAs! They may just be TC fodder but competition will help overall.
My favorite pick is Tartt because of the need to get tougher in the middle after losing Willis. His close friendship with Ward should also help him adjust to the NFL. I see some commenting that he can't cover and yet, the writeups I've read say the guy has a knack for being in the right place at the right time. Creates turnovers and excellent football IQ.
Armstead is one of those guys who could be a perenial all pro or out of football soon...just hope for the best and with Tomsula in charge I have more hope than I would otherwise.
May 2, 2015 at 9:30 PM
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Originally posted by baltien:
I give this draft an A+. It would've been just an 'A', but the anger seems to have hit an all time high so that's worth the extra credit. I love how so many people here get emotional and have these over the top reactions EVERY year after the draft.
As always, what most of the pissing and moaning boils down to is "Baalke didn't draft who I/the media think(s) he should have therefore he sucks and I hate him."
To which I say, "ha."
Lol. Spot on!
May 2, 2015 at 9:34 PM
- dtg_9er
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by baltien:
I give this draft an A+. It would've been just an 'A', but the anger seems to have hit an all time high so that's worth the extra credit. I love how so many people here get emotional and have these over the top reactions EVERY year after the draft.
As always, what most of the pissing and moaning boils down to is "Baalke didn't draft who I/the media think(s) he should have therefore he sucks and I hate him."
To which I say, "ha."
Lol. Spot on!
Sometimes it feels like the board is made up of a rainbow spectrum of maturity levels...from tantrum to ooommm.
May 2, 2015 at 9:38 PM
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Originally posted by Mookster:
I now personally hope it's his last draft for the 49ers.
Hilarious! I guess we'll see you next year around this time to find out.
I now personally hope it's his last draft for the 49ers.
Hilarious! I guess we'll see you next year around this time to find out.
May 2, 2015 at 9:44 PM
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Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:Solid B with the potential for more:
Arik Armstead - Likely inactive a lot in 2015, but should anchor the LDE position for years to come
Jaquiski "Pop" Tartt - Special teamer now, but could be the eventual starter next to Reid with size, speed and athleticism
Eli Harold - Could be an excellent nickel pass rusher or eventual starter should Aldon/Lynch regress
Blake Bell - Love his size at the TE position and could be a match-up nightmare
Mike Davis - LOVE THIS PICK. Reminds me a lot of Gore and think he's an ideal compliment to Hyde
DeAndre Smelter - LOVE THIS PICK EVEN MORE. IMO, potential #1 talent once healthy. Major steal here
The punter - No commentIan Silberman - ???
Trenton Brown - If he can keep his weight in check, has the potential to be a dominating o-lineman
Rory "Busta" Anderson - Great height/speed combo at TE; could be a major steal if he can develop and stay healthy
Clearly it all depends on how they develop, but there is absolutely no doubt that they drafted a ton of talent with the common themes of size, speed and ability.
Give it a solid B as well, Baalke always goes with the athleticism and looking fast forward. Really like the Tartt, Harold, Bell and Smelter (my favorite of all, will be Boldin's replacement in season after next) picks.
May 2, 2015 at 9:56 PM
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Originally posted by mike86:
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I'm not one to generally give too much or too little credit to a team after a draft, but based on perceived value I thought Baalke & Co were atrocious this year.
First off, I'm not a fan of Armstead. Sure he MIGHT become a good, hell even great, player but he's got an incredibly long way to go and if the 49ers wanted a tall, long, athletic project then they have one on the roster - his name is Lawerence Okoye and he looked pretty damn good last year towards the end of the preseason. More alarming are the concerns over this kids heart. I have a bad feeling this guy will be much more like Kentwan Balmer than Richard Seymour. Not only that, but DL is one of the deepest positions on the team, even if Smith doesn't come back, so not only was he far from BPA but it doesn't come close to filling a need.
I'm going to reserve judgement on the 2nd round pick, but unless everyone in the NFL had Tartt as the 2nd coming of Kam Chancellor I'm going to say this was maybe the biggest reach of the draft. I think S is a big need for the team b/c I don't see Bethea staying past this year and Reid is potentially one more concussion from hanging it up. But with guys like Perryman and Rowe going right after this one was a total head scratcher.
Harold is the one pick I like. He reminds me of Bruce Irvin and by all accounts plays hard and is a leader. With Brooks likely gone before training camp he also gives us more depth. OLB is by far the strongest position on the team.
The entire 4th round was a huge debacle for me. Blake Bell?!? A former QB with one year at TE experience and not particularly impressive measurables was worth a 4th rounder? To me thats a 6th or 7th round pick at best. The 49ers would have been best served taking the Bell pick and trading for a 2016 3rd rounder. Mike Davis is intriguing and Smelter has potential, but it's just that - potential.
The rest of the picks seem like throw aways. Andy Lee is signed through 2018 so unless the 49ers want to part ways with his $2.5-3M salary over the next couple years the P pick is mind numbing. Then a couple OLs with serious limitations.
I'm happy to be proven wrong, but right now this draft looks as bad if not worse than the dreaded 2012 draft.
I give this draft a "B"
You don't like Armstead. The guy is a stud. He didn't put up huge numbers but 3-4 DE's don't. Justin Smith doesn't put up big numbers. This guy can be a big time player for us. People talk about potential but until they have proven themselves in the NFL all these rookies are potential. There were maybe a half dozen players in the entire draft that didn't have a list of weaknesses on their assessment on the NFL site. For now I will give the 49ers coaches/scouts/GM the benefit of the doubt on this one.
Tartt. By all accounts the #2 safety in the entire draft on practically everybody's board. There is no reason to believe he won't be a great player.
Eli Harold. By all accounts a steal in the draft. Projected to be a mid 2nd rounder. You can never have too many good pass rushers.
Mike Davis. A quality RB in round 4
Blake Bell. Big upside potential. With the top 2 TE's already off the board no one else left really impressed anyone. Bell at least has the potential to be great. His skills as a receiver rival the top 2 but needs to develope as a blocker. Coming in as our #3 TE he has time to develope that part of the game.
Deandre Smelter You say he only has potential. As opposed to all other receivers you can draft at the back end of round 4 who have gauranteed star status? We get a receiver who should be a good playmaker for us and possibly a great one at the end of round 4. What more can we reasonably ask for? I love this pick.
Punter in round 5. I don't know what to think because I never heard of this kid but if he can win the job from Andy Lee we save millions in cap space every year that we need.
We picked up a couple of OL's in round 6 and 7. We knew that barring a great player falling to us we would grap some OL help at the back end of the draft. Maybe a OT who can convert to be a really good guard or provide really good depth.
We traded a 7th round pick for a 2016 6th rounder. Love it.
TE Busta Anderson. Only pick I really question but we will see. With Davis and McDonald at TE and Bell in the 4th round we drafted another TE? We even have an H-back coming in that redshirted from last year's draft. Don't see a roster spot and unless we can stash him on the practice squad this kind of looks like it cold be a wasted pick that gets poached by another team.
I would have preferred to draft the top place kicker in the draft and hope he beats out Dawson and we can save millions more in cap space.
The reason I rate this draft a B when I like most of the players drafted is because we didn't catch much luck. I would have loved to see one of the top receivers fall to us at 15. Kevin White would have been nice. The consensus best player in the draft went at #6 -lucky them. I would have loved to see 1 of the top CB's fall to 46 or maybe even DGB but no such luck. I would have loved to see 1 of the top 2 TE's fall to us in the 3rd rd but no such luck. The only player that really fell to us was Eli Harold in the 3rd.
We could have gotten a little bit luckier but all in all should be a good draft.
May 2, 2015 at 10:04 PM
- 4everFaithful
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I give Matt Miller an A for being on point all weekend, dude was all over this draft for the 49ers.
Matt Miller @nfldraftscout · May 1
49ers drafted my No. 16 overall player at No. 17 and got two extra picks. Not a bad pick at all.
Matt Miller @nfldraftscout · May 1 Really want Tartt to the 49ers
Matt Miller @nfldraftscout · May 1 If I had to guess, I'd say 49ers go RB in Rd 4.
Matt Miller @nfldraftscout · 13h 13 hours ago I could see David Cobb and Blake Bell being a target for the 49ers today.
Wow that's impressive
May 2, 2015 at 10:24 PM
- davidboutte
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Originally posted by mike86:D
I'm not one to generally give too much or too little credit to a team after a draft, but based on perceived value I thought Baalke & Co were atrocious this year.
First off, I'm not a fan of Armstead. Sure he MIGHT become a good, hell even great, player but he's got an incredibly long way to go and if the 49ers wanted a tall, long, athletic project then they have one on the roster - his name is Lawerence Okoye and he looked pretty damn good last year towards the end of the preseason. More alarming are the concerns over this kids heart. I have a bad feeling this guy will be much more like Kentwan Balmer than Richard Seymour. Not only that, but DL is one of the deepest positions on the team, even if Smith doesn't come back, so not only was he far from BPA but it doesn't come close to filling a need.
I'm going to reserve judgement on the 2nd round pick, but unless everyone in the NFL had Tartt as the 2nd coming of Kam Chancellor I'm going to say this was maybe the biggest reach of the draft. I think S is a big need for the team b/c I don't see Bethea staying past this year and Reid is potentially one more concussion from hanging it up. But with guys like Perryman and Rowe going right after this one was a total head scratcher.
Harold is the one pick I like. He reminds me of Bruce Irvin and by all accounts plays hard and is a leader. With Brooks likely gone before training camp he also gives us more depth. OLB is by far the strongest position on the team.
The entire 4th round was a huge debacle for me. Blake Bell?!? A former QB with one year at TE experience and not particularly impressive measurables was worth a 4th rounder? To me thats a 6th or 7th round pick at best. The 49ers would have been best served taking the Bell pick and trading for a 2016 3rd rounder. Mike Davis is intriguing and Smelter has potential, but it's just that - potential.
The rest of the picks seem like throw aways. Andy Lee is signed through 2018 so unless the 49ers want to part ways with his $2.5-3M salary over the next couple years the P pick is mind numbing. Then a couple OLs with serious limitations.
I'm happy to be proven wrong, but right now this draft looks as bad if not worse than the dreaded 2012 draft.
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May 2, 2015 at 11:01 PM
- 49erCanadian
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Not one starter from 10 draft picks! D
TEs, P and safeties were not our priorities.
TEs, P and safeties were not our priorities.