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May 2, 2015 at 5:15 PM
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Exactly. He's building a bully with massive players on the inside, two huge/athletic TEs, a big/physical safety and a big/physical WR. The more you look at what Baalke did here, the more you have to love it.

Just by looking at the coaching staff you can see that this isn't going to be a finesse team with guys like Tomsula, Sparano and his Parcells background, Tim Lewis, a long time coach with the Steelers, Mangini with the Patriots back when they played head-thumping defense, a lot of guys with smash and crash credentials. If anything with Harbaugh gone, Baalke might be giving in even more to his Parcells roots. A big, scary, physical defense that plays with bad intentions, that is what I'm expecting to see from the 49ers in the near future.

Absolutely agree and wish more people could see this.

Oh, I see it loud and clear. The players picked in this draft were all massive human beings. Harbaugh talked about building a bully. Tomsula and Baalke are dead f**king serious about it. Not to mention every one of these guys are also skilled and athletic. Hell of a draft imo.
[ Edited by SofaKing on May 2, 2015 at 5:15 PM ]
May 2, 2015 at 5:19 PM
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Oh, I see it loud and clear. The players picked in this draft were all massive human beings. Harbaugh talked about building a bully. Tomsula and Baalke are dead f**king serious about it. Not to mention every one of these guys are also skilled and athletic. Hell of a draft imo.

Harbaugh talked about building a bully and the 49ers did just that in 2011, since then theyve been the ones getting bullied by teams like Seattle. I think Baalke is trying to flip the script and regain that edge, get big players that play hard and violent, to start beating teams down again.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on May 2, 2015 at 5:19 PM ]
May 2, 2015 at 5:19 PM
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by mike86:

First off, I'm not a fan of Armstead. Sure he MIGHT become a good, hell even great, player but he's got an incredibly long way to go and if the 49ers wanted a tall, long, athletic project then they have one on the roster - his name is Lawerence Okoye and he looked pretty damn good last year towards the end of the preseason.


LOL at people trying to compare Armstead and Okoye, I mean, you're comparing a guy who has been playing in the same defensive scheme for years at Oregon versus a guy who first played his snap of football a couple years. One guy has the potential to be an All Pro player, the other guy would do well just to actually make the roster. The odds are good that Okoye never plays a single snap in the NFL. He's about as much of a project as it gets, nothing more.

That comparison pretty much discredits everything else you wrote after that.

You beat me to it. Posts like that really discredit the poster. Lawrence Okoye and Armstead? Did anyone not have Arik Armstead going in the1st round? I'm curious as to what his lowest projection. There is a difference between being a raw, but clear 1st round talent and being a guy with a lot of athletic ability, but never played the game of football. To make this clearer, Lawrence Okoye is the equivalent of when Brock Lesnar tried out for the Vikings 10 years ago.
May 2, 2015 at 5:20 PM
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Exactly. He's building a bully with massive players on the inside, two huge/athletic TEs, a big/physical safety and a big/physical WR. The more you look at what Baalke did here, the more you have to love it.

Just by looking at the coaching staff you can see that this isn't going to be a finesse team with guys like Tomsula, Sparano and his Parcells background, Tim Lewis, a long time coach with the Steelers, Mangini with the Patriots back when they played head-thumping defense, a lot of guys with smash and crash credentials. If anything with Harbaugh gone, Baalke might be giving in even more to his Parcells roots. A big, scary, physical defense that plays with bad intentions, that is what I'm expecting to see from the 49ers in the near future.

Absolutely agree and wish more people could see this.

Oh, I see it loud and clear. The players picked in this draft were all massive human beings. Harbaugh talked about building a bully. Tomsula and Baalke are dead f**king serious about it. Not to mention every one of these guys are also skilled and athletic. Hell of a draft imo.

May 2, 2015 at 5:20 PM
Well considering I don't watch college football and don't research the draft, I'm going to give it a C because some of the guys names look hard to spell when I rave about their greatness or complain about them after they've actually stepped onto the football field in a Niner uni.
May 2, 2015 at 5:22 PM
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
You beat me to it. Posts like that really discredit the poster. Lawrence Okoye and Armstead? Did anyone not have Arik Armstead going in the1st round? I'm curious as to what his lowest projection. There is a difference between being a raw, but clear 1st round talent and being a guy with a lot of athletic ability, but never played the game of football. To make this clearer, Lawrence Okoye is the equivalent of when Brock Lesnar tried out for the Vikings 10 years ago.

Absolutely. Okoye has no place in the conversation. Its a cool story, British super athlete tries to make the NFL but he's still a longshot at best. Counting on him to do anything in the NFL is being highly optimistic. I hope he does work out but its hard to just walk in the door and keep up with guys who have been playing competitive football for years if not decades.
May 2, 2015 at 5:23 PM
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Oh, I see it loud and clear. The players picked in this draft were all massive human beings. Harbaugh talked about building a bully. Tomsula and Baalke are dead f**king serious about it. Not to mention every one of these guys are also skilled and athletic. Hell of a draft imo.

Harbaugh talked about building a bully and the 49ers did just that in 2011, since then theyve been the ones getting bullied by teams like Seattle. I think Baalke is trying to flip the script and regain that edge, get big players that play hard and violent, to start beating teams down again.

But with a slight twist and that's incorporating more speed/verticality on the outside with guys like Torrey, Simpson, Smelter and Dres/Rory Anderson. You can bully teams all day long, but you also have to stretch the field as teams begin to stack the box (I imagine that's what the 2012 AJJ pick was all about). We couldn't do that before, but now we can.
[ Edited by GhostofFredDean74 on May 2, 2015 at 5:24 PM ]
May 2, 2015 at 5:24 PM
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
You beat me to it. Posts like that really discredit the poster. Lawrence Okoye and Armstead? Did anyone not have Arik Armstead going in the1st round? I'm curious as to what his lowest projection. There is a difference between being a raw, but clear 1st round talent and being a guy with a lot of athletic ability, but never played the game of football. To make this clearer, Lawrence Okoye is the equivalent of when Brock Lesnar tried out for the Vikings 10 years ago.

I thought and still think that he has 6th round talent in a 1st round body. I did not want him until at least the 3rd round.
May 2, 2015 at 5:26 PM
B ... for boring.



B for solid
May 2, 2015 at 5:26 PM
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
But with a slight twist and that's incorporating more speed/verticality on the outside with guys like Torrey, Simpson, Smelter and Dres/Rory Anderson. You can bully teams all day long, but you also have to stretch the field as teams begin to stack the box (I imagine that's what the AJJ pick was all about). We couldn't do that before, but now we can.

It also takes advantage of Kaepernick's skillset, he's got a cannon for an arm and pushing the defense back gives him more room to take off and run. I wonder if Anderson ends up making the roster when all is said and done, he's certainly an intriguing prospect.
May 2, 2015 at 5:28 PM
So are we really looking at getting rid of Andy Lee? Otherwise, why draft a P in the 5th?
May 2, 2015 at 5:29 PM
Originally posted by Hangman_52:
I thought and still think that he has 6th round talent in a 1st round body. I did not want him until at least the 3rd round.

Which is fine, he's a divisive player, scouts either seemingly loved him or hated him but the 49ers wouldn't have made the pick without Tomsula signing off on it. To me that is huge, a guy who has had an incredible track record with DL's thinks Armstead can be a stud at DE, that is good enough for me. I trust Tomsula's opinion more than anyone else's on the subject.
May 2, 2015 at 5:29 PM
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
But with a slight twist and that's incorporating more speed/verticality on the outside with guys like Torrey, Simpson, Smelter and Dres/Rory Anderson. You can bully teams all day long, but you also have to stretch the field as teams begin to stack the box (I imagine that's what the AJJ pick was all about). We couldn't do that before, but now we can.

It also takes advantage of Kaepernick's skillset, he's got a cannon for an arm and pushing the defense back gives him more room to take off and run. I wonder if Anderson ends up making the roster when all is said and done, he's certainly an intriguing prospect.

If I had to bet, I'd say Dres will end up on IR like Smelter, and Busta will end up on the practice squad, getting them all ready to compete for 2016.
May 2, 2015 at 5:30 PM
Originally posted by Bobdawg78:
So are we really looking at getting rid of Andy Lee? Otherwise, why draft a P in the 5th?

Sounds like the special teams coach fell in love with the guy. He's massive for a punter(6'5", 230), would also handle kickoff duties, replacing Lee with him would save the 49ers a nice chunk of cap space as well. I imagine there will be a pretty fierce competition for the spot.
May 2, 2015 at 5:31 PM
Originally posted by Hangman_52:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
You beat me to it. Posts like that really discredit the poster. Lawrence Okoye and Armstead? Did anyone not have Arik Armstead going in the1st round? I'm curious as to what his lowest projection. There is a difference between being a raw, but clear 1st round talent and being a guy with a lot of athletic ability, but never played the game of football. To make this clearer, Lawrence Okoye is the equivalent of when Brock Lesnar tried out for the Vikings 10 years ago.

I thought and still think that he has 6th round talent in a 1st round body. I did not want him until at least the 3rd round.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but come on. To say he is raw, capable or more, needs coaching up, etc is fair. But to call him a 6th round talent? Basically you are saying that he's a borderline NFL player. A practice squad candidate with a good camp.
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