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Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Phoenix, please stop assuming that people with opinions other than yours don't have knowledge about the draft. Webzoners aren't the only ones to question the Niners selections, where they were selected and not addressing some thin position groups.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:That can apply for any pick in the draft, even the most "NFL-ready" players bust. Remember when Aaron Curry was "can't miss" and "NFL-ready."
The 49ers basically bought low on some raw players that they appear to be confident in being able to coach up to their full potential. As with any draft, only time will tell but most people on here are only regurgitating the stuff that they read on NFL.com or CBS Sports pretty much.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Round 1 and 2 were potential guys, that's not buying very low. And I'm starting to think Tartt was a mulligan for Ward. I don't hate this draft, I'm just worried about a staff that's not proven (working together) to make this all work. And while Tomsula is a great DL coach, he couldn't make Balmer a worthy starter.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
It's buying low if you think Armstead can be an All-Pro type player which is why people like Daniel Jeremiah had him as a top 10 talent. He's a guy with a ton of upside who can still come in and contribute as a rookie because of his familiarity with the scheme.
Originally posted by Hangman_52:
I don't know if you know what buying low means. If you got them in the 5th or 6th round that would be buying low. But they used their mid first round and mid second round picks on them and those are high picks. until you learn the difference between buying low and buying high stay away from the stock market.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Hangman_52:
I don't know if you know what buying low means. If you got them in the 5th or 6th round that would be buying low. But they used their mid first round and mid second round picks on them and those are high picks. until you learn the difference between buying low and buying high stay away from the stock market.
Armstead was a mid 1st rounder with the potential of a Top 5 pick. His ceiling is enormous, he needs good coaching badly, a lot of his issues are things that are coachable and had they been fixed already, the 49ers would never have been able to draft him where they were at. They got players with substantially better potential than their draft position indicated. Tartt was compared to Landon Collins, but with a higher ceiling. If they coach him up into the top safety from this draft then yes, they did buy low on a top talent.
They take a guy who is still raw but has enormous potential, that was pretty much their M.O. for the entire draft, guys that had high ceilings, that were raw, that need good coaching, all throughout the draft we saw the same thing.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Since you're reading all of the criticism, then you know the truth that webzoners aren't the only ones with opinions that differ from yours.
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Phoenix, please stop assuming that people with opinions other than yours don't have knowledge about the draft. Webzoners aren't the only ones to question the Niners selections, where they were selected and not addressing some thin position groups.
Much of the criticism I'm seeing of various players is almost verbatim from the various online draft reports, but I'm sure that is of course only a coincidence.
Originally posted by bzborow1:
People keep clamoring for sexier picks from Baalke but it is not his style. He builds from the trenches out, not the other way. Never has. Never will.
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Since you're reading all of the criticism, then you know the truth that webzoners aren't the only ones with opinions that differ from yours.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by bzborow1:
People keep clamoring for sexier picks from Baalke but it is not his style. He builds from the trenches out, not the other way. Never has. Never will.
The people who got way too obsessed with drafting receivers may never get that, I saw some people advocating for 3 WR's with like like the first 4 or 5 picks...and then they get upset when reality doesn't mesh with fantasy. This is not going to be a "high octane" offense, its still going to be ball control, run the football, run the football, take your shots off of playaction, play rugged, physical defense, hit the other guys harder than they hit you, line up and punch the other team in the mouth, that's just how it is going to go. If you look at the picks, Baalke added a lot of BIG, PHYSICAL players, lots of guys with mean temperaments, that is how this team will continue to be structured.
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Exactly. He's building a bully with massive players on the inside, two huge/athletic TEs, a big/physical safety and a big/physical WR. The more you look at what Baalke did here, the more you have to love it.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Exactly. He's building a bully with massive players on the inside, two huge/athletic TEs, a big/physical safety and a big/physical WR. The more you look at what Baalke did here, the more you have to love it.
Just by looking at the coaching staff you can see that this isn't going to be a finesse team with guys like Tomsula, Sparano and his Parcells background, Tim Lewis, a long time coach with the Steelers, Mangini with the Patriots back when they played head-thumping defense, a lot of guys with smash and crash credentials. If anything with Harbaugh gone, Baalke might be giving in even more to his Parcells roots. A big, scary, physical defense that plays with bad intentions, that is what I'm expecting to see from the 49ers in the near future.