Draft Experts Wanted!

Originally posted by GEEK:
When I look at the roster today, I see immediate needs at DL, ILB, and DB. I see depth needs at RB (Bush and Hunter health concerns) and S (Reid's health). Then I see future needs at WR, OL, DE/OLB, DL, and ILB. Perhaps a K/P if there's a good player at the right value. So you factor all of that in...here's where my head is at...

*49ers trade down for Panthers 1st and 3rd round picks - CAR trades up to select OL*

R1: Eddie Goldman - NT/DE - Florida State (via CAR)
*Beef up to be a 2 gap NT or slim down and be a powerful 3-4 DE. Plays both roles in his rookie year. Played alongside Carradine.
*Projected to go in the late teens to end of the 1st. Not a reach.
*Addresses immediate need.

R2: Denzel Perryman - ILB - Miami
*Replacement for Willis and Borland, prototypical skills for a 3-4 ILB.
*Projected to go late 2nd, early 3rd. Slight reach.
*Addresses immediate need.

R3: Trey Flowers - DE/OLB/DT - Arkansas
*Reminds me of Pernell McPhee, formerly of the Ravens. You can line him up at DT, DE, and OLB and he'll make an impact.
*Projected to go late 2nd to late 3rd. Not a reach.
*Addresses immediate and future need.

R3: Cedric Ogbuehi - OT/OG - Texas A&M (via CAR)
*Projected replacement for Boone in 2016 as he recovers from a torn ACL. 1st round talent in the late 3rd.
*Projected to go late 3rd to early 4th. Not a reach.
*Addresses future need.

R4: Javorius Allen - RB - USC (via DEN)
*Good size and skills to rotate with Hyde has the primary back. Insurance policy for Bush and Hunter.
*Projected to go mid-4th to mid-5th. Not a reach.
*Addresses depth need.

R4: Stefon Diggs - WR - Maryland (COMP)
*Reminds me a bit of Victor Cruz, Diggs can instantly contribute as a slot WR and ST.
*Projected to go in the late 4th to early 6th. Not a reach.
*Addresses future need.

R5: Justin Coleman - CB - Tennessee
*Strong, thick corner with good ballhawking skills. A bit too slow, but proper training and technique could make him a tangible #3.
*Projected to go in early 5th to early 7th. Not a reach.
*Addresses depth need.

R6: Hayes Pullard - ILB - USC
*Sideline to slideline speed and good at coverage. Competes with Moody and Skov for a roster spot.
*Projected to go in the late 5th to late 7th. Not a reach.
*Addresses depth need.

R7: Detrick Bonner - S - UVU
*ST ace with raw skills to develop into a solid backup.
*Projected to go in the early 7th to UDFA. Not a reach.
*Addresses future need.

R7: Gary Nova - QB - Rutgers (COMP)
*Camp body that will end up on the PS.

1 (15) - OLB/DE
2 (14) - WR
3 (15) - ILBx2/LG/RB
4 (27) From Denver - CB/FS
4 (33) Compensatory pick - LT/RT
5 (15) - NT
6 (14) - QB
7 (29) From Indianapolis for Cam Johnson - PK/P
7 (37) Compensatory pick - TE/H-Back

It's fascinating to me to see you all play GM so well. I've been all for trading down just for this reason myself. I love this one as well and esp. your approach in identifying current needs vs. long-term preparation! This is exactly how Baalke approaches each draft.

So in terms of need, you only missed out on a true DE (although a stellar NT WILL make the DE's so much better), G (which we're probably OK with who we already have), PK/P and RZ TE. The other area we need to consider is the type of WR you chose here. We already have Ellington/Patton/Bush for the slot role...not to mention we'll run both VD and McDonald from there as well. Therefore, the type of WR we need now IMHO is a bigger-bodied prototypical WCO WR (ala DGB, Strong, etc.) for when Boldin retires. We'll have the speed outside now with Torrey/Simpson.

Very well done!

With the retirment of Willis and Borland and the impact this may have on DL and S, those two positions merit attention.

1st-Trade back for extra pick(s)
1st-Late first from trade--DT Carl Davis (most sure thing among DL after Shelton)
2nd-ILB Stephone Anthony (weak draft for ILB...but they need one)
2nd-Late from trade--TE Devin Funchess (RZ target who finds soft spot in the middle)
3rd-WR Phillip Dorsett (offensive spark)
4th-RB Mike Davis (nice complement to Hyde and Bush)
4th-Comp Pick SS Ibraheim Campbell (smart leader)
5th-OLB Jake Ryan (big motor, has played ILB, team captain, team MVP)
6th-WR Stefon Diggs (Seahawk killer, quick with great cuts)
7th-DL Deon Simon (small school guy with power)
7th-SS Kyshoen Jarrett (quick rover in college, sure tackler)

This draft is agonizing! So much depending on where the guys fall!

Edit: This assumes they like their young OLmen and don't go that way. Big assumption I know!

Originally posted by NCommand:

1 (15) - OLB/DE
2 (14) - WR
3 (15) - ILBx2/LG/RB
4 (27) From Denver - CB/FS
4 (33) Compensatory pick - LT/RT
5 (15) - NT
6 (14) - QB
7 (29) From Indianapolis for Cam Johnson - PK/P
7 (37) Compensatory pick - TE/H-Back

It's fascinating to me to see you all play GM so well. I've been all for trading down just for this reason myself. I love this one as well and esp. your approach in identifying current needs vs. long-term preparation! This is exactly how Baalke approaches each draft.

So in terms of need, you only missed out on a true DE (although a stellar NT WILL make the DE's so much better), G (which we're probably OK with who we already have), PK/P and RZ TE. The other area we need to consider is the type of WR you chose here. We already have Ellington/Patton/Bush for the slot role...not to mention we'll run both VD and McDonald from there as well. Therefore, the type of WR we need now IMHO is a bigger-bodied prototypical WCO WR (ala DGB, Strong, etc.) for when Boldin retires. We'll have the speed outside now with Torrey/Simpson.

Very well done!

Thanks!

In terms of the items you called out, we have Dial, Carradine, Dockett, Ramsey, Jerod-Eddie and a few more camp bodies for 4 DE spots. And we already have Dorsey and Williams for NT spots. So I think the addition of Goldman playing at both basically addresses both needs. I wouldn't feel comfortable spending another early draft pick on a DE if he's going to see very limited time.

I think we look at the UDFA route for the needs you brought up. And also, I think we are going to be VERY active in 2016 nfl free agency.

Vernon, Boldin, Smith, and a slew of others off the books and enormous amount of cap room available.

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by NCommand:
1 (15) - OLB/DE
2 (14) - WR
3 (15) - ILBx2/LG/RB
4 (27) From Denver - CB/FS
4 (33) Compensatory pick - LT/RT
5 (15) - NT
6 (14) - QB
7 (29) From Indianapolis for Cam Johnson - PK/P
7 (37) Compensatory pick - TE/H-Back

It's fascinating to me to see you all play GM so well. I've been all for trading down just for this reason myself. I love this one as well and esp. your approach in identifying current needs vs. long-term preparation! This is exactly how Baalke approaches each draft.

So in terms of need, you only missed out on a true DE (although a stellar NT WILL make the DE's so much better), G (which we're probably OK with who we already have), PK/P and RZ TE. The other area we need to consider is the type of WR you chose here. We already have Ellington/Patton/Bush for the slot role...not to mention we'll run both VD and McDonald from there as well. Therefore, the type of WR we need now IMHO is a bigger-bodied prototypical WCO WR (ala DGB, Strong, etc.) for when Boldin retires. We'll have the speed outside now with Torrey/Simpson.

Very well done!

Thanks!

In terms of the items you called out, we have Dial, Carradine, Dockett, Ramsey, Jerod-Eddie and a few more camp bodies for 4 DE spots. And we already have Dorsey and Williams for NT spots. So I think the addition of Goldman playing at both basically addresses both needs. I wouldn't feel comfortable spending another early draft pick on a DE if he's going to see very limited time.

I think we look at the UDFA route for the needs you brought up. And also, I think we are going to be VERY active in 2016 nfl free agency.

Vernon, Boldin, Smith, and a slew of others off the books and enormous amount of cap room available.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
With the retirment of Willis and Borland and the impact this may have on DL and S, those two positions merit attention.

1st-Trade back for extra pick(s)
1st-Late first from trade--DT Carl Davis (most sure thing among DL after Shelton)
2nd-ILB Stephone Anthony (weak draft for ILB...but they need one)
2nd-Late from trade--TE Devin Funchess (RZ target who finds soft spot in the middle)
3rd-WR Phillip Dorsett (offensive spark)
4th-RB Mike Davis (nice complement to Hyde and Bush)
4th-Comp Pick SS Ibraheim Campbell (smart leader)
5th-OLB Jale Ryan (big motor, has played ILB, team captain, team MVP)
6th-WR Stefon Diggs (Seahawk killer, quick with great cuts)
7th-DL Deon Simon (small school guy with power)
7th-SS Kyshoen Jarrett (quick rover in college, sure tackler)

This draft is agonizing! So much depending on where the guys fall!

Edit: This assumes they like their young OLmen and don't go that way. Big assumption I know!

Another quality shot!

I can't wait either...thanks for helping me pass the time!

Originally posted by NCommand:
Another quality shot!

I can't wait either...thanks for helping me pass the time!

Beats banging my head against the wall!

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Another quality shot!

I can't wait either...thanks for helping me pass the time!

Beats banging my head against the wall!

Isn't THAT the truth!

Originally posted by GEEK:

Originally posted by NCommand:
1 (15) - OLB/DE
2 (14) - WR
3 (15) - ILBx2/LG/RB
4 (27) From Denver - CB/FS
4 (33) Compensatory pick - LT/RT
5 (15) - NT
6 (14) - QB
7 (29) From Indianapolis for Cam Johnson - PK/P
7 (37) Compensatory pick - TE/H-Back

It's fascinating to me to see you all play GM so well. I've been all for trading down just for this reason myself. I love this one as well and esp. your approach in identifying current needs vs. long-term preparation! This is exactly how Baalke approaches each draft.

So in terms of need, you only missed out on a true DE (although a stellar NT WILL make the DE's so much better), G (which we're probably OK with who we already have), PK/P and RZ TE. The other area we need to consider is the type of WR you chose here. We already have Ellington/Patton/Bush for the slot role...not to mention we'll run both VD and McDonald from there as well. Therefore, the type of WR we need now IMHO is a bigger-bodied prototypical WCO WR (ala DGB, Strong, etc.) for when Boldin retires. We'll have the speed outside now with Torrey/Simpson.

Very well done!

Thanks!

In terms of the items you called out, we have Dial, Carradine, Dockett, Ramsey, Jerod-Eddie and a few more camp bodies for 4 DE spots. And we already have Dorsey and Williams for NT spots. So I think the addition of Goldman playing at both basically addresses both needs. I wouldn't feel comfortable spending another early draft pick on a DE if he's going to see very limited time.

I think we look at the UDFA route for the needs you brought up. And also, I think we are going to be VERY active in 2016 nfl free agency.

Vernon, Boldin, Smith, and a slew of others off the books and enormous amount of cap room available.

BTW: Your pick of Carl Davis makes even more sense when you read this from a Cardinals scout:

Dockett benefited greatly from playing alongside DT Dan Williams (6'2" 327) in recent years and a run-stopping nose tackle would really help his case. In that scenario, Dockett would have freedom to focus on his pass-rushing skills and do what he does best.

ND: What about Versatility? Did Dockett move around the line much or was he planted on one side of the defensive front? What were some of his best attributes when healthy?

Wilbricht: Dockett has played extensively in both 3-4 and 4-3 schemes so he's certainly versatile. He moved around the defensive line more earlier in his career, playing multiple positions which led to mismatches in the trenches. I would guess that San Francisco utilizes Dockett in a similar fashion with hopes of isolating him against suspect offensive linemen.


http://sfo.scout.com/story/1531245-getting-to-know-darnell-dockett

Originally posted by NCommand:

BTW: Your pick of Carl Davis makes even more sense when you read this from a Cardinals scout:

Dockett benefited greatly from playing alongside DT Dan Williams (6'2" 327) in recent years and a run-stopping nose tackle would really help his case. In that scenario, Dockett would have freedom to focus on his pass-rushing skills and do what he does best.

ND: What about Versatility? Did Dockett move around the line much or was he planted on one side of the defensive front? What were some of his best attributes when healthy?

Wilbricht: Dockett has played extensively in both 3-4 and 4-3 schemes so he's certainly versatile. He moved around the defensive line more earlier in his career, playing multiple positions which led to mismatches in the trenches. I would guess that San Francisco utilizes Dockett in a similar fashion with hopes of isolating him against suspect offensive linemen.


http://sfo.scout.com/story/1531245-getting-to-know-darnell-dockett

You mean Goldman, right?

Originally posted by GEEK:
You mean Goldman, right?

My mistake. Correct!

My last mock attempt was a guess at a Baalke draft based on players we have met with and his past tendencies. Not exactly your formula, but went something like this:

R1: Alvin Dupree, DE, Kentucky
R2: Marcus Peters, CB, Washington
R3: Stephone Anthony, ILB, Clemson
R4: Jeremy Langford, RB, Michican State
R4: Josh Harper, WR, Fresno State
R5: Jerimiah Poutasi, G, Utah
R6: Quandre Diggs, CB, Texas
R7: Tavaris Barnes, DE, Clemson
R7: Ben Beckwith, G, Mississippi State

Potential UDFAs:
Shane McDermott, C, Miami
Cameron Clear, OL/TE, Texas A&M
Devin Gardner, WR, Michigan
Keon Williams, RB, Chattanooga
Ryan Russell, DE, Purdue
Brandon Bridge, QB, South Alabama

Some could argue that Peters and/or Anthony could go higher. I used a composite of multiple ranking sites and the rankings of several on here and took players around their average. But if some really think they will be long gone, either assume we will use 2016 picks (since we will likely have 3-4 extra picks) to move up a bit if needed, and/or sub other potentially available guys in those spots. (CB, PJ Williams maybe or ILB Taiwan Jones )

Originally posted by TexasNiner:
My last mock attempt was a guess at a Baalke draft based on players we have met with and his past tendencies. Not exactly your formula, but went something like this:

R1: Alvin Dupree, DE, Kentucky
R2: Marcus Peters, CB, Washington
R3: Stephone Anthony, ILB, Clemson
R4: Jeremy Langford, RB, Michican State
R4: Josh Harper, WR, Fresno State
R5: Jerimiah Poutasi, G, Utah
R6: Quandre Diggs, CB, Texas
R7: Tavaris Barnes, DE, Clemson
R7: Ben Beckwith, G, Mississippi State

Potential UDFAs:
Shane McDermott, C, Miami
Cameron Clear, OL/TE, Texas A&M
Devin Gardner, WR, Michigan
Keon Williams, RB, Chattanooga
Ryan Russell, DE, Purdue
Brandon Bridge, QB, South Alabama

Some could argue that Peters and/or Anthony could go higher. I used a composite of multiple ranking sites and the rankings of several on here and took players around their average. But if some really think they will be long gone, either assume we will use 2016 picks (since we will likely have 3-4 extra picks) to move up a bit if needed, and/or sub other potentially available guys in those spots. (CB, PJ Williams maybe or ILB Taiwan Jones )

1 (15) - OLB/DEx2
2 (14) - WR
3 (15) - ILB/LGx2/RB
4 (27) From Denver - CBx2/FS
4 (33) Compensatory pick - LT/RT
5 (15) - NT
6 (14) - QB
7 (29) From Indianapolis for Cam Johnson - PK/P
7 (37) Compensatory pick - TE/H-Back

Alright, so overall, the key needs that you couldn't address were OLB, FS, T, NT, QB, PK/P and TE. Well done on the UDFA's as well.

Draft Picks: Target Positions: Name: Position: Pre-Draft Visit?:
1 (15/15) - OLB/DE - Arik Armstead DE (6'7" 292) Yes
2 (14/46) - WRx2/ILB - Stephone Anthony ILB (6'3" 243 4.56) Yes
3 (15/79) - LG/RB - Lorenzo Mauldin OLB (6'4" 259 4.81) No
4 (27/126) - CB/FS - Kurtis Drummond FS (6'1" 208 4.65) Yes
4 (33/132) - LT/RT - Jeremy Langford RB (6'0" 208 4.43) Yes
5 (15/151) - NT - Dezmin Lewis ZWR (6'4" 214 4.46) No
6 (14/189) - QB - Stefon Diggs YWR (6'0" 195 4.46) Yes
7 (29/246) - PK/P - Deon Simon NT (6'4" 321) No
7 (37/54) - TE/H-Back - Justin Manton PK No

Draft Picks: Target Positions: Name: Position: Pre-Draft Visit?:
1 (15/15) - OLB/DE - DeVante Parker ZWR (6'3" 209 4.34) Yes
2 (14/46) - WRx2/ILB - Denzel Perriman ILB (5'11" 236 4.68) Yes
3 (15/79) - LG/RB - Grady Jarrett DE (6'1" 304) No
4 (27/126) - CB/FS - Jeremy Langford RB (6'0" 208 4.43) Yes
4 (33/132) - LT/RT - Kurtis Drummond FS (6'1" 208 4.65) Yes
5 (15/151) - NT - Obum Gwachum OLB (6'5" 236 4.65) No
6 (14/189) - QB - Stefon Diggs YWR (6'0" 195 4.46) Yes
7 (29/246) - PK/P - Deon Simon NT (6'4" 321) No
7 (37/54) - TE/H-Back - Justin Manton PK No

Needs Left to target pre-draft and post-draft (June 1st cuts) and UDFA's: G, CB, T (Pears), QB, P & TE.

Originally posted by NCommand:
1 (15) - OLB/DEx2
2 (14) - WR
3 (15) - ILB/LGx2/RB
4 (27) From Denver - CBx2/FS
4 (33) Compensatory pick - LT/RT
5 (15) - NT
6 (14) - QB
7 (29) From Indianapolis for Cam Johnson - PK/P
7 (37) Compensatory pick - TE/H-Back

Alright, so overall, the key needs that you couldn't address were OLB, FS, T, NT, QB, PK/P and TE. Well done on the UDFA's as well.

Yeah, that draft didn't cover every base because I don't fully agree with the needs list or that we will try and hit every base (as opposed to focusing on key needs and handling other needs via FA or players already on the team), plus it was largely based on who we have conducted interviews with and if there were positions (like QB, Tor K) where we interviewed few or no players at that position, I went with the assumption that it wasn't an area we were focused on for the draft.

That being said, here is a version more based on your parameters:

R1-Alvin Dupree, DE, Kentucky
R2-Paul Dawson, ILB, TCU
R3-Josh Shaw, CB, USC
R4-Josh Harper, WR, Fresno State
R4-Jerimiah Poutasi, G/T, Utah
R5-Joey Mbu, NT, Houston
R6-Sean Mannion,QB, Oregon St
R7-Justin Manton,K Louisiana-Monroe
R7-Nick Boyle, TE, Delaware or RB, Malcom Brown, Texas

Note: I went with Poutsai because he projects as a possible G or T at the next level. Could be a very good fit for us for that reason as we will see where some of our other young players end up. Also, I believe our actual mid to late round QB target is Garrett Grayson, but I don't think he'll be there in the 6th. If he lasts that long, I believe he would be our target.

Originally posted by TexasNiner:

Originally posted by NCommand:
1 (15) - OLB/DEx2
2 (14) - WR
3 (15) - ILB/LGx2/RB
4 (27) From Denver - CBx2/FS
4 (33) Compensatory pick - LT/RT
5 (15) - NT
6 (14) - QB
7 (29) From Indianapolis for Cam Johnson - PK/P
7 (37) Compensatory pick - TE/H-Back

Alright, so overall, the key needs that you couldn't address were OLB, FS, T, NT, QB, PK/P and TE. Well done on the UDFA's as well.

Yeah, that draft didn't cover every base because I don't fully agree with the needs list or that we will try and hit every base (as opposed to focusing on key needs and handling other needs via FA or players already on the team), plus it was largely based on who we have conducted interviews with and if there were positions (like QB, Tor K) where we interviewed few or no players at that position, I went with the assumption that it wasn't an area we were focused on for the draft.

That being said, here is a version more based on your parameters:

R1-Alvin Dupree, DE, Kentucky
R2-Paul Dawson, ILB, TCU
R3-Josh Shaw, CB, USC
R4-Josh Harper, WR, Fresno State
R4-Jerimiah Poutasi, G/T, Utah
R5-Joey Mbu, NT, Houston
R6-Sean Mannion,QB, Oregon St
R7-Justin Manton,K Louisiana-Monroe
R7-Nick Boyle, TE, Delaware or RB, Malcom Brown, Texas

Note: I went with Poutsai because he projects as a possible G or T at the next level. Could be a very good fit for us for that reason as we will see where some of our other young players end up. Also, I believe our actual mid to late round QB target is Garrett Grayson, but I don't think he'll be there in the 6th. If he lasts that long, I believe he would be our target.

Agreed! My little task-formula is just done annually to try and figure out who Baalke may target based on needs, interviews, his M.O., etc. You guys are certainly the draft experts so I look to you all. It's worked pretty well in the past (i.e. Ward last year) but clearly, Baalke's boards and how the draft falls, is everything...and we just have no idea how it will fall. I actually anticipate us trading back in the first round. But who knows. Really like your approach/draft though!