Draft Experts Wanted!

dtg_9er had the following:

NC--just for fun I created a draft from players at or after the niners picks based on the CBS Prospects list (around their pick):

1-15) DE Alvin Dupree, Kentucky, 6'4" 269 (Shane Ray is listed #14)
2-46) WR Nelson Agholor, USC, 6'0" 198 (Devin Smith listed at #56)
3-79) RB Jeremy Langford, Mich. St., 6'0" 208; OG Ali Marpet, Hobart, 6'4" 307 (ILB Denzel Perryman listed at 93)
4-126) CB Senquiz Golson, Ole Miss, 5'9" 176; RB Cameron Artis-Payne, Auburn, 5'10" 212 (ILB Ben Heeney listed 128)
4-129?) OT Tyrus Thompson, Okla, 6'5" 324
5-143) DT Christian Covington, Rice, 6'2" 289 (SS James Sample listed 143)
6-174) No QBs near slot; WR Vince Mayle, Wash. St., 6'2" 224; SS Clayton Geathers, UCF, 6'2" 218; OG Robert Myers, Tenn. St., 6'56" 326
7-221) P Kyle Loomis, Portland St., 6'2" 226; TE E.J. Bibbs, Iowa State, 6'2" 258
7-224?) Same as above (WR Antwan Goodley listed at 231)

Here is my last mock http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/181880-nyniner85-mock-last-before-draft/

But if we are going BPA and using your formula: (I didn't follow exactly )

1st. Bud Dupree OLB
2nd. Carl Davis DT
3rd Tyler Lockette WR
4th Eric Rowe CB
4th: Mitch Morse OT
5th: Terrance Magee RB
6th: Damien Wilson ILB
7th: Kyle Brindza P/K
7th: Rory Anderson TE

I don't see how LG is a top priority.
The loser of the Kilgore, Martin battle at C will battle Thomas, Pears and Looney to be the starter at LG.

Originally posted by Ice49er:
I don't see how LG is a top priority.
The loser of the Kilgore, Martin battle at C will battle Thomas, Pears and Looney to be the starter at LG.

Good point...but typical Baalke thinking next year Boone is a FA. So better get him now...plus we may be moving to a zone blocking scheme so we may be targeting a different kind of OL now.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Here is my last mock http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/181880-nyniner85-mock-last-before-draft/

But if we are going BPA and using your formula: (I didn't follow exactly )

1st. Bud Dupree OLB
2nd. Carl Davis DT
3rd Tyler Lockette WR
4th Eric Rowe CB
4th: Mitch Morse OT
5th: Terrance Magee RB
6th: Damien Wilson ILB
7th: Kyle Brindza P/K
7th: Rory Anderson TE

Well done! Yeah, based on your own big boards, using CBS, MadDog, etc. these are our top needs so what guys would we target at these key needs. For instance, in round 1, who do you have targeted more, OLB or DE? Then, move on to the second pick...if we go OLB, do we go DE or WR there? By the end, who did we get and did we address our key needs? If so, well done pseudo-Baalke!

Draft Round - Targets:
1. SF - OLB/DE
2. SF - WR
3. SF - ILB/LG/RB
4. From Denver - RB/CB/FS
4. Comp (Projected from OTC) - LT/RT
5. SF - NT
6. SF - QB
7. From IND - PK/P
7. Comp (Projected from OTC) - TE/H-Back

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Here is my last mock http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/181880-nyniner85-mock-last-before-draft/

But if we are going BPA and using your formula: (I didn't follow exactly )

1st. Bud Dupree OLB
2nd. Carl Davis DT
3rd Tyler Lockette WR
4th Eric Rowe CB
4th: Mitch Morse OT
5th: Terrance Magee RB
6th: Damien Wilson ILB
7th: Kyle Brindza P/K
7th: Rory Anderson TE

Well done! Yeah, based on your own big boards, using CBS, MadDog, etc. these are our top needs so what guys would we target at these key needs. For instance, in round 1, who do you have targeted more, OLB or DE? Then, move on to the second pick...if we go OLB, do we go DE or WR there? By the end, who did we get and did we address our key needs? If so, well done pseudo-Baalke!

Draft Round - Targets:
1. SF - OLB/DE
2. SF - WR
3. SF - ILB/LG/RB
4. From Denver - RB/CB/FS
4. Comp (Projected from OTC) - LT/RT
5. SF - NT
6. SF - QB
7. From IND - PK/P
7. Comp (Projected from OTC) - TE/H-BackRead more at http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/181893-draft-experts-wanted/#hQ5oyqWqr41COATh.99

Well the list I provided above is who I would target based on the fromula you proved

My mock is different then the players I listed....

I don't think the signing of Dockett makes DL any less of a need really. You're talking about a 34 year old lineman with a lot of wear and tear on his tires, coming off an ACL tear. I see him as a short term stopgap at best.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I don't think the signing of Dockett makes DL any less of a need really. You're talking about a 34 year old lineman with a lot of wear and tear on his tires, coming off an ACL tear. I see him as a short term stopgap at best.

You can only keep so many DL on the roster we have other priorities

RB: I think Todd Gurley is the 49ers pick at 15. Love Hyde but Gurley is the best running back to come out in recent drafts. Baalke also drafts guys higher than they are usually projected. Who better to replace Gore with!

OLB: Having insurance for Aldon Smith holding out 2016 or messing up would be a good idea. Eli Harold or Nate Orchard could be targets in round #2

OG If not for this year than Alex Boone replacement. John Miller could be a fit.

CB unless Trae Wayne is available at 15 then I see thim waiting to select another developmental corner. 49ers have done good job finding gems.

DL I think Tomsula will not draft a DL early, He is close to the guys on roster and will give them every shot to contribute.

ILB They will probably take a flyer on a guy or a safety to convert to ILB in the later rounds.

Originally posted by 49er_Rider:
You can only keep so many DL on the roster we have other priorities

No moreso than DL, particularly if Justin Smith retires. That's the single biggest need IMO, especially considering that Ian Williams and Dorsey are on short term deals, Dockett is a short term solution at best, might be a one year guy and beyond that, all you have left is Carradine, Dial and TJE.


Think about it, you could go from Ray McDonald and Justin Smith to having an aging Dockett to go along with Carradine or TJE. Not really a fan of that, particularly with guys coming back off of major injuries at NT. Even if Justin Smith stays, your DE's are potentially two one year guys. I'm a huge fan of Carradine and think that he'll be a very good player but you need someone to develop as the starter at the other DE, as well as long-term NT.

OLB
pass-rush is always a need. Given that Chase Thomas tore his ACL (again?), Aldon is in his contract year, Lynch could easily suffer a sophomore slump and Lemonier hasn't showed anything last season, we need some kind of solution. So far, Brooks is on the roster and I do think that he will be kept.
mid-round

DE
high-round. Dockett and Smith are old, therefore we have to assume that we will lose one of them to injury. Besides Carradine, I don't see any pass-rushing threat on the roster. We need a disruptive, yet mobile force at DE like Carl Davis or Marcus Hardison. Hell, we simply need an insurance for the case that the old men aren't anymore (injury-wise of course).
1st-2nd round and an additional one on day 3.

WR
true, we need Boldin's successor but the WR-class is so deep so that we can go after one on day 2 if not even on day 3. Think about Montgomery or Conley for example.
mid-round

ILB
Unless we get someone through FA, we will spend a long look at this position. According to some gossip, we had a workout with Anthony and will schedule one with McKinney. I don't think that this is a smokescreen.
round 3 at the very latest.

LG
anything is possible. Scherff could be taken with our 1st-round pick or we will pick one late if someone falls. Given our needs in other spots, picking a LG-candidate high would be a lot of luxury; with Thomas, MMartin and Looney already here, we got three promising prospects for one spot. It should be sufficient for now. However, you need quality in the trenches all day long.
round to be determined

RB
Hunter could be used for some smokescreen. Nonetheless, I don't expect us to pick a RB in the first two rounds but we should spend a look at some prospects in round 3-7.
round 3-7

CB
pick one in round 3-5. Brock, Dontae, Cook, Wright, Reaser, Acker, (Ward) is really enough for now in order to avoid a high pick.
round 3-5

FS
a backup is needed but the draft seems to be a real crapshoot at this position. Pick some high value on day 3.
day 3

LT/RT
I assume that we will pick a guy who can play there and inside like Ogbuehi or whatever his name is.
round to be determined

NT
could be that Mangini will pick a fatty but he could also try it out with Williams and Dorsey as well. It worked.
round 4-7 would be fine

QB
this draft doesn't offer anything.
udfa

TE/H-back
for H-back we got Millard. At TE, some talent is there but with Vernon's contract concluding next year and question marks all over the backups, I would not rule out a pick for this position earlier than some people expect. Walford in the 2nd round who can run-block very well and is a reliable catcher at the same time is not out of consideration if you ask me. But, Carrier, Celek and Vance are still here.
round 2-5

This is my IDEA..

One of the teams from 20 to 26 will be moving up on our spot.. and this is what I see happening..

1-15) Detroit - sending the 49ers their 1st pick (2015) and 2nd round (2015) - Melvin Gordon; RB - Wisconsin

1-23) Patriots - needing to replace Wilfork now, New England traded to out spot (23rd) and for an extra 3rd, and drafts DT/NT Jordan Phillips of Oklahoma..

WE NOW HAVE...

1-32) Benardrick McKinney; ILB - Miss St

2-46) Carl Davis; DT - Iowa
2-54) Quentin Rollins; CB - Miami OH

3-79) Taiwan Jones; ILB - Michigan State
3-96) Henry Anderson; DE - Stanford

4-123) Taiwan Jones; ILB - Michigan State
4-comp) Ty Montgomery; WR - Stanford

5) Arie Kouandijo; OG - Alabama
6) SeQwan Edwards; CB - New Mexico

7a) Nate Montana; QB - Tulsa
7comp) Ross Apo; WR - BYU

Originally posted by communist:
OLB
pass-rush is always a need. Given that Chase Thomas tore his ACL (again?), Aldon is in his contract year, Lynch could easily suffer a sophomore slump and Lemonier hasn't showed anything last season, we need some kind of solution. So far, Brooks is on the roster and I do think that he will be kept.
mid-round

DE
high-round. Dockett and Smith are old, therefore we have to assume that we will lose one of them to injury. Besides Carradine, I don't see any pass-rushing threat on the roster. We need a disruptive, yet mobile force at DE like Carl Davis or Marcus Hardison. Hell, we simply need an insurance for the case that the old men aren't anymore (injury-wise of course).
1st-2nd round and an additional one on day 3.

WR
true, we need Boldin's successor but the WR-class is so deep so that we can go after one on day 2 if not even on day 3. Think about Montgomery or Conley for example.
mid-round

ILB
Unless we get someone through FA, we will spend a long look at this position. According to some gossip, we had a workout with Anthony and will schedule one with McKinney. I don't think that this is a smokescreen.
round 3 at the very latest.

LG
anything is possible. Scherff could be taken with our 1st-round pick or we will pick one late if someone falls. Given our needs in other spots, picking a LG-candidate high would be a lot of luxury; with Thomas, MMartin and Looney already here, we got three promising prospects for one spot. It should be sufficient for now. However, you need quality in the trenches all day long.
round to be determined

RB
Hunter could be used for some smokescreen. Nonetheless, I don't expect us to pick a RB in the first two rounds but we should spend a look at some prospects in round 3-7.
round 3-7

CB
pick one in round 3-5. Brock, Dontae, Cook, Wright, Reaser, Acker, (Ward) is really enough for now in order to avoid a high pick.
round 3-5

FS
a backup is needed but the draft seems to be a real crapshoot at this position. Pick some high value on day 3.
day 3

LT/RT
I assume that we will pick a guy who can play there and inside like Ogbuehi or whatever his name is.
round to be determined

NT
could be that Mangini will pick a fatty but he could also try it out with Williams and Dorsey as well. It worked.
round 4-7 would be fine

QB
this draft doesn't offer anything.
udfa

TE/H-back
for H-back we got Millard. At TE, some talent is there but with Vernon's contract concluding next year and question marks all over the backups, I would not rule out a pick for this position earlier than some people expect. Walford in the 2nd round who can run-block very well and is a reliable catcher at the same time is not out of consideration if you ask me. But, Carrier, Celek and Vance are still here.
round 2-5

Alright my man...love the rationale. Now, if you reorder this, whatchu got?

Draft Round - Targets:
1. SF - OLB/DE
2. SF - WR
3. SF - ILB/LG/RB
4. From Denver - RB/CB/FS
4. Comp (Projected from OTC) - LT/RT
5. SF - NT
6. SF - QB
7. From IND - PK/P
7. Comp (Projected from OTC) - TE/H-Back

The only thing I caution everyone is to use the WWBD (What Would Baalke Do?). He's got to think immediate needs (maybe 2) but probably, way more so, next year starters and developmental players and depth.

I'm just gonna count Justin Smith out for now until I see him in a game. I can't trust Ian Williams to stay healthy for more than a few games. We know about Dockett's past, but what will he be like this season (coming off serious injury / 34 years old). Dorsey coming off an injury....

The youngsters are good with a lot of potential, but not a lot of experience (Tank/Dial/TJE).

Okoye and Purcells

If Baalke gets a NT in the 1st rd, I won't be mad (I hope we get one in the early round).