Arik Armstead DE Oregon

NYniner85 · 2015-02-19T12:38:38-08:00

I haven't seen a thread for this guy? 6-8 290 LBs STRENGTHS Improved by leaps and bounds from 2013 to 2014. Elite size with ability to add more bulk to his frame. Quick-twitch athlete. Explodes up field into blockers with good pad level and hip snap, gaining instant leverage against the run and often jarring them into the backfield. Gets good arm extension to control offensive linemen and peppers them with powerful hands. Can unlock quickly from blocks. Has above-average tackle radius thanks to his length and quickness. WEAKNESSES Power-based pass rush with very little production to show for it over his time at Oregon. Plays tall as pass rusher and doesn't use his hands to gain consistent advantages. Has no reliable counter moves when rush stalls. Gets caught up in whipping man in front of him rather than making the ball carrier his focus. Will win against an offensive lineman, but doesn't put himself into position to finish. SOURCES TELL US "I see the power in his hands and all of his tools, but I don't see the production or the consistent push that I feel like I should see from him. He could end up being a monster, but you have to understand that what you get right now is just a big athlete with some upside." -- Pac-12 area scoutNFL COMPARISON Calais Campbell BOTTOM LINE Projection-based prospect with elite size and the traits to become a dominant run-stuffing defensive end in an odd front. Armstead has the explosiveness off the snap and in his jarring punch to gain early advantages and control offensive linemen. Armstead is a fast riser but is still very raw. He will need patience and coaching and must become a more effective pass rusher at some point. (NFL.com) He is gonna kill the combine and is a athlete! He played basketball and wasn't fully dedicated to football until 2014. I think he can be molded into a pro-bowler with the staff we currently have. Thoughts on this kid??

Feb 19, 2015 at 1:02 PM

crew
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If DGB checks out okay in his interviews and his 40 time, Baalke could be looking at deciding between Armstead & DGB at #15. I have seen a few mocks having Armstead go top 10, but due to being as raw as he is, believe he will be on the board at #15. I think Baalke would go Defense and take Armstead at #15 and then get a WR in RD2 (Breshard Perriman or Devin Smith). Again after the issues with Aldon Smith, RayMac and Culliver, Baalke might stay clear of DGB, especially with a deep WR class to choose from.

Feb 19, 2015 at 1:27 PM

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Originally posted by crew:
If DGB checks out okay in his interviews and his 40 time, Baalke could be looking at deciding between Armstead & DGB at #15. I have seen a few mocks having Armstead go top 10, but due to being as raw as he is, believe he will be on the board at #15. I think Baalke would go Defense and take Armstead at #15 and then get a WR in RD2 (Breshard Perriman or Devin Smith). Again after the issues with Aldon Smith, RayMac and Culliver, Baalke might stay clear of DGB, especially with a deep WR class to choose from.

I'd be stoked to get Armstead and Smith with the 1st 2 picks

Feb 19, 2015 at 1:48 PM

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No thanks, he looked horrible trying to stop the run vs. Ohio St.

Feb 19, 2015 at 2:40 PM

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Originally posted by Kolohe:
No thanks, he looked horrible trying to stop the run vs. Ohio St.

This. Overrated, just like Dion Jordan was

Feb 19, 2015 at 4:50 PM

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He has a ton of upside I think he could be a stud under Tomsula. 6-8 290 and possibly running under a 4.95? You can't teach god given athletic ability

Feb 19, 2015 at 5:38 PM

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Originally posted by NYniner85:
He has a ton of upside I think he could be a stud under Tomsula. 6-8 290 and possibly running under a 4.95? You can't teach god given athletic ability

This! I think this guy could be Tomsula's master work!

Feb 19, 2015 at 7:11 PM

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A 4.95 doesn't sound that impressive for someone 6'8 290. I still remember Poe running 4.98 at 6'4 346 and 2 offensive linemen (Terron Armstead and Lane Johnson) running 4.7 the same year. Every year there's at least 1-2 offensive linemen bigger than Armstead that run sub 5's (there were 5 last year including Greg Robinson at 332). Then there's Donald last year running 4.68 at 6'1 285 (built way more solidly than Armstead).

If he runs 4.85, that's impressive, but I think his arm length is as important as his 40 time (his 10 yard split too).

Feb 19, 2015 at 8:00 PM

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Originally posted by 49ers808:
This. Overrated, just like Dion Jordan was

Are you kidding me ? Ohio state run system was great bash over 3/4 defense teams OREGON had no good LBs or NT help out this guy he was in the backfield whole game every time OSU passed the ball heck they ran all over Alabama defense

[ Edited by Danny707 on Feb 19, 2015 at 8:02 PM ]

Feb 20, 2015 at 6:31 AM

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Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
A 4.95 doesn't sound that impressive for someone 6'8 290. I still remember Poe running 4.98 at 6'4 346 and 2 offensive linemen (Terron Armstead and Lane Johnson) running 4.7 the same year. Every year there's at least 1-2 offensive linemen bigger than Armstead that run sub 5's (there were 5 last year including Greg Robinson at 332). Then there's Donald last year running 4.68 at 6'1 285 (built way more solidly than Armstead).

If he runs 4.85, that's impressive, but I think his arm length is as important as his 40 time (his 10 yard split too).

I'm just going off of what MadDog was saying in his defensive big board (sub 4.95) He has him rated in his top 5 for 43DT/34DE/34NT.

Feb 20, 2015 at 8:36 AM

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Yeah, I saw that and probably should have commented there. There are quite a few 290+ pounders who can run sub 4.95 40's. Every year there are some offensive linemen who do it and some defensive ends 270+ who run way faster than that. I would not be as impressed with a relatively lean 3-4 DE running a 4.90.

Feb 20, 2015 at 8:53 AM

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The only thing that screams first round to me about him is his potential.
I think he can be great, he just doesn't seem to do well at DT.

Feb 20, 2015 at 10:29 AM

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We just can't afford to roll the 15th pick on this guy...

He's got that "boom or bust" written all over him...

It's scary because when the IDIOTIC NOLAN drafted Balmer (UNC), he was dumb enough to tell the media that "Don't grade him now, wait until his 3 year or so"... and I'm afraid that this kid is just another Balmer in the making..

I say NO NO NO, til maybe in the late 2nd round..

Feb 20, 2015 at 10:35 AM

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I see Baalke taking Preston Smith DE Miss.ST. in the 2nd rather than Arik in the 1st and Arik will go in the 1st round.
Baalke will go WR in the 1st, either at #15 or with a trade down later in the 1st to also pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd RD pick depending on how far down they trade.

[ Edited by crew on Feb 20, 2015 at 10:35 AM ]

Feb 20, 2015 at 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by crew:
I see Baalke taking Preston Smith DE Miss.ST. in the 2nd rather than Arik in the 1st and Arik will go in the 1st round.
Baalke will go WR in the 1st, either at #15 or with a trade down later in the 1st to also pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd RD pick depending on how far down they trade.

I'm down for that