Arik Armstead DE Oregon | Page 4 | 49ers Webzone Forum

NYniner85 · 2015-02-19T12:38:38-08:00

I haven't seen a thread for this guy? 6-8 290 LBs STRENGTHS Improved by leaps and bounds from 2013 to 2014. Elite size with ability to add more bulk to his frame. Quick-twitch athlete. Explodes up field into blockers with good pad level and hip snap, gaining instant leverage against the run and often jarring them into the backfield. Gets good arm extension to control offensive linemen and peppers them with powerful hands. Can unlock quickly from blocks. Has above-average tackle radius thanks to his length and quickness. WEAKNESSES Power-based pass rush with very little production to show for it over his time at Oregon. Plays tall as pass rusher and doesn't use his hands to gain consistent advantages. Has no reliable counter moves when rush stalls. Gets caught up in whipping man in front of him rather than making the ball carrier his focus. Will win against an offensive lineman, but doesn't put himself into position to finish. SOURCES TELL US "I see the power in his hands and all of his tools, but I don't see the production or the consistent push that I feel like I should see from him. He could end up being a monster, but you have to understand that what you get right now is just a big athlete with some upside." -- Pac-12 area scoutNFL COMPARISON Calais Campbell BOTTOM LINE Projection-based prospect with elite size and the traits to become a dominant run-stuffing defensive end in an odd front. Armstead has the explosiveness off the snap and in his jarring punch to gain early advantages and control offensive linemen. Armstead is a fast riser but is still very raw. He will need patience and coaching and must become a more effective pass rusher at some point. (NFL.com) He is gonna kill the combine and is a athlete! He played basketball and wasn't fully dedicated to football until 2014. I think he can be molded into a pro-bowler with the staff we currently have. Thoughts on this kid??

Apr 1, 2015 at 11:33 AM

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SFATeflonDon
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Don't draft in 1st

Apr 2, 2015 at 8:47 AM

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NeeJ49er
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not too confident on "taking a chance" on a D Lineman in the 1st? , there is no guarantee that a dominant college D Lineman will come in and be productive for us right off the bat, we got burned by the Balmer and McGrew 1st round picks , so naturally I'm hesitant , I would rather we drafted a CB , OL or WR in the first , with Dockett, Dorsey, Williams, Carradine, TJE and Dial already on the roster, it will be tough for any rookie D Lineman to come and crack the rotation

Apr 2, 2015 at 8:57 AM

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The problem with not taking one of the top DL early is the talent falls off fairly sharply afterwards...Ray Mac's gone, Justin SMith's likely to retire and filling those two positions won't be easy. Carradine's not a proven starter...the return of Dorsey will solidify NT, but who will fill JS's spot? Dockett, probably, depending on how Mangini wants to structure his DL rotation. Let's look further, though...Dockett's 34 (or will be this year). Ian Williams is in the last year of his contract. Dial got some good experience last year, but is he a starter? TJE's back, but is he a starter? I think the answer is probably no for either player. So, despite what Tomsula said about the depth, there's still reason for concern. I don't see a real stud among those guys...and if JT and Baalke see one in this draft, they should draft him. It's not about whomever they pick starting right away...it's about securing a quality DL for the future, so the time for them to be proactive is now.

Apr 22, 2015 at 7:20 PM

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bors
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So anything pisitive about this guy. he keeps poping up as our pick

Apr 22, 2015 at 7:32 PM

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shmuck
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Originally posted by bors:
So anything pisitive about this guy. he keeps poping up as our pick

Physically he's a beast and with Tomsula coaching him he could become one of the best 3-4 DE. He's primarly a two gaping run stopper that doesn't get the big plays but plugs the hole great and let's the linebackers make the play. He's huge at 6'7 292, so the physical tools are all there. He has shown flashes of a pass rush that could develop into something great with some coaching. He's really strong at the point of attack but plays so high it negates a lot of the advantages his height and strength give him. He's raw but could become a force in a few years.

Apr 22, 2015 at 7:44 PM

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bors
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Sounds like he does have some up side pair him and tank

Apr 22, 2015 at 8:26 PM

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CorvaNinerFan
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The only thing beastly about Armstead is his size...his production wasn't up to snuff. What makes anyone think he'll be better in the NFL? Both Goldman and Malcolm Brown are considerably better options...they have size, versatility and non-stop motors that are consistently productive.

Apr 22, 2015 at 8:31 PM

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49ers808
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Originally posted by bors:
So anything pisitive about this guy. he keeps poping up as our pick

That is the positive, because he's linked and mocked to us so much chances are we won't take him

Apr 22, 2015 at 9:23 PM

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Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
The only thing beastly about Armstead is his size...his production wasn't up to snuff. What makes anyone think he'll be better in the NFL? Both Goldman and Malcolm Brown are considerably better options...they have size, versatility and non-stop motors that are consistently productive.

There are many examples of players becoming better pros then they were college players and vice versa. If the draft was that easy you and I could do it.

Apr 23, 2015 at 8:03 AM

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NYniner85
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I'm tired of seeing all these mock of us taking this kid....I just don't see the value in grabbing him at 15, and "draft experts" seem to just place him at 15 because we kinda need DL help lol....

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/131406/arik-armstead

I just don't see us taking him that early.

Apr 23, 2015 at 8:10 AM

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Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'm tired of seeing all these mock of us taking this kid....I just don't see the value in grabbing him at 15, and "draft experts" seem to just place him at 15 because we kinda need DL help lol....

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/131406/arik-armstead

I just don't see us taking him that early.

When has Baalke ever selected who draft experts put in their mock draft to us? A few had Eric Reid, but outside of that, I can't remember anyone getting the choice right.

Apr 23, 2015 at 8:13 AM

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NYniner85
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Originally posted by LottOfDefense:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'm tired of seeing all these mock of us taking this kid....I just don't see the value in grabbing him at 15, and "draft experts" seem to just place him at 15 because we kinda need DL help lol....

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/131406/arik-armstead

I just don't see us taking him that early.

When has Baalke ever selected who draft experts put in their mock draft to us? A few had Eric Reid, but outside of that, I can't remember anyone getting the choice right.

Yeah I agree...I just feel like these experts are just being lazy lol

Apr 23, 2015 at 11:12 AM

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This dude any good I see his name keeps popping up in the mocks.

Apr 23, 2015 at 11:17 AM

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49er_Rider
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Bust writing all over him pass

Apr 23, 2015 at 11:25 AM

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I can't believe the amount of hype he's gotten. I'm an Oregon fan, but don't see whet his play should warrant anywhere close to #15. I see another Adam Karriker.
All these mocks that have us taking him scare me. Please no Trent!