MadDog49er First Top 32 Graded Players in NFL Draft

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Soemthign tells me that Cooper is gonna be a bust in the NFL. Not sure why but I just don't see it in him.

What's your take on Malcolm Brown outta TX?

Cooper is still young (still only 20 years old), and yet already polished. He is the most pro-ready of the bunch. I don't see the explosiveness of White, but he is going to be plug and play first training camp. I see very little bust potential.

Brown is interesting. I see a terrific hustle player, but really slow and lumbering. All effort, but runs in quicksand. I see guys like Davis, Shelton, Goldman much better. Brown is going to be limited to only a 34 NT, hogging up blockers on base downs. The other guys have flexibility, and can stay on the field on passing downs.

Thanks and yea I know Cooper has everything he needs to be great. Just more of a guy feeling than a critique of his skills. I shouldn't have used bust. More like underwhelming.

I asked about Brown b/c I started really studying him more closely this week after having a mild crush on him and noticed that he does look like he's stuck in the mud and won't be to effective as a DE. I love Shelton and Davis but I need to look more into Goldman.

I just see you mentioned something about them taking Erving at 15. No doubt he is good but you don't think it's overkill with Kilgore and Martin already on the roster? Or were you not pleased from what you saw outta both guys?

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Greetings Draft Junkies!

In the lull before the combine, lots of time to review players who I believe are at the top of this draft. Below is my list of who I believe at this moment are the 32 best players in the draft. As stated before, I am not high on the top level players this year, feeling that it has a TON of question marks in that top group. Last year, I felt much more secure in my top 10, with receivers Watkins, Evans and Beckham, and lineman such as Martin, Donald, Robinson, as well as my number one overall, Mack. My only regret from last year is that I chickened out and graded Clowney at number 13, instead of lower. Lesson learned- stick to your guns.

This year, it feels very topsy-turvy, and I think this draft could be a wild one. The depth of this draft is excellent, and there will be superb value for mid-third round selections.

1-Leonard Williams USC DT
2-Kevin White West Virginia WR
3-Dante Fowler Florida DE/LB
4-Amari Cooper Alabama WR
5-Shane Ray Missouri DE/LB
6-Brandon Scherff Iowa OT
7-La'El Collins LSU OT/G
8-Danny Shelton Washington DT
9-DeVante Parker Louisville WR
10-Eddie Goldman Florida St DT
11-Melvin Gordon Wisconsin RB
12-Carl Davis Iowa DT
13-Nate Orchard Utah DE/OLB
14-Trae Waynes Michigan St CB
15-PJ Williams Florida St CB
16-Todd Gurley Georgia RB
17-Paul Dawson TCU LB
18-Shaq Thompson Washington LB
19-Denzel Perryman Miami LB
20-Cameron Erving Florida St C/G
21-Vic Beasley Clemson LB
22-Maxx Williams Minnesota TE
23-Arik Armstead Oregon DE/DT
24-Tevin Coleman Indiana RB
25-Ereck Flowers Miami OT
26-Andrus Peat Stanford OT
27-Marcus Mariota Oregon QB
28-Jameis Winston Florida St QB
29-Randy Gregory Nebraska DE/LB
30-Ty Lockett Kansas St WR
31-John Miller Louisville G
32-Laken Tomlinson Duke G

I'd be happy to entertain any questions regarding players on the list and off. I currently have first round grades on 23 players. Did a complete reversal on Kevin White recently. Personal prejudices against players can cause some unfair evals. Mea culpa on me for White- I think he is a terrific football player.

A final note before submission- One of my personal favorite players in the draft may fade on and off this list as time passes. Paul Dawson of TCU may be the best LB in this draft, but character issues are a big, big question mark. Hopefully, this can be clarified. On the field, he reminds me of a player I had a top 15 grade on a few years ago, Bobby Wagner. Just a stud monster.

Right now, I am flipping coins regarding Mariota and Winston. Honestly, I don't care for either, but the QB position is so valuable, and the next QB off the board is so bad (don't even get me going on Hundley), that I have them on this list. For the record, Yuck!

Cheers.

My thoughts

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Curveball the team could throw the fans this draft would be selecting Cameron Erving at 15, or maybe shocking the world with Maxx Williams. Both are going to be climbers in the pre-draft process. Erving is far and away the best center in this draft, and may be one of those guys you look back at someday and say, "What a great anchor for a dozen years". Very, very low bust potential. Think Miami and Pittsburgh are happy with the play of the Pouncey boys. He might be that good.

I mentioned Erving a couple months back. he's a technician and extremely versatile. would be a great pickup for ANY team

Originally posted by AsianJeff:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Curveball the team could throw the fans this draft would be selecting Cameron Erving at 15, or maybe shocking the world with Maxx Williams. Both are going to be climbers in the pre-draft process. Erving is far and away the best center in this draft, and may be one of those guys you look back at someday and say, "What a great anchor for a dozen years". Very, very low bust potential. Think Miami and Pittsburgh are happy with the play of the Pouncey boys. He might be that good.

I mentioned Erving a couple months back. he's a technician and extremely versatile. would be a great pickup for ANY team

Sure but I seriously doubt the Niners would consider taking a Center when there are such obvious needs at WR, DL, and CB. Would be stupid IMO.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by AsianJeff:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Curveball the team could throw the fans this draft would be selecting Cameron Erving at 15, or maybe shocking the world with Maxx Williams. Both are going to be climbers in the pre-draft process. Erving is far and away the best center in this draft, and may be one of those guys you look back at someday and say, "What a great anchor for a dozen years". Very, very low bust potential. Think Miami and Pittsburgh are happy with the play of the Pouncey boys. He might be that good.

I mentioned Erving a couple months back. he's a technician and extremely versatile. would be a great pickup for ANY team

Sure but I seriously doubt the Niners would consider taking a Center when there are such obvious needs at WR, DL, and CB. Would be stupid IMO.

I hear ya. Erving might even be there in the 2nd depending on how to draft falls.

and he's not just a center. dude can play guard pretty well, too

Originally posted by AsianJeff:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by AsianJeff:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Curveball the team could throw the fans this draft would be selecting Cameron Erving at 15, or maybe shocking the world with Maxx Williams. Both are going to be climbers in the pre-draft process. Erving is far and away the best center in this draft, and may be one of those guys you look back at someday and say, "What a great anchor for a dozen years". Very, very low bust potential. Think Miami and Pittsburgh are happy with the play of the Pouncey boys. He might be that good.

I mentioned Erving a couple months back. he's a technician and extremely versatile. would be a great pickup for ANY team

Sure but I seriously doubt the Niners would consider taking a Center when there are such obvious needs at WR, DL, and CB. Would be stupid IMO.

I hear ya. Erving might even be there in the 2nd depending on how to draft falls.

and he's not just a center. dude can play guard pretty well, too

Niners have Brandon Thomas coming in next year who I would consider to be a 2nd rd talent in this draft class. Just hard for me to imagine taking an interior OL in the 2nd when we have such pressing needs elsewhere.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by AsianJeff:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by AsianJeff:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Curveball the team could throw the fans this draft would be selecting Cameron Erving at 15, or maybe shocking the world with Maxx Williams. Both are going to be climbers in the pre-draft process. Erving is far and away the best center in this draft, and may be one of those guys you look back at someday and say, "What a great anchor for a dozen years". Very, very low bust potential. Think Miami and Pittsburgh are happy with the play of the Pouncey boys. He might be that good.

I mentioned Erving a couple months back. he's a technician and extremely versatile. would be a great pickup for ANY team

Sure but I seriously doubt the Niners would consider taking a Center when there are such obvious needs at WR, DL, and CB. Would be stupid IMO.

I hear ya. Erving might even be there in the 2nd depending on how to draft falls.

and he's not just a center. dude can play guard pretty well, too

Niners have Brandon Thomas coming in next year who I would consider to be a 2nd rd talent in this draft class. Just hard for me to imagine taking an interior OL in the 2nd when we have such pressing needs elsewhere.

I see what you're saying, trust me, but a lot of teams draft BPA and that's not a bad thing

Originally posted by AsianJeff:
I see what you're saying, trust me, but a lot of teams draft BPA and that's not a bad thing

I would take one of:
Amari Cooper
Kevin White
Davonte Parker
Danny Shelton
Trae Waynes

Likely 4 will be gone but one should be there at 15. All could be considered BPA at that spot at positions of big needs.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by AsianJeff:
I see what you're saying, trust me, but a lot of teams draft BPA and that's not a bad thing

I would take one of:
Amari Cooper
Kevin White
Davonte Parker
Danny Shelton
Trae Waynes

Likely 4 will be gone but one should be there at 15. All could be considered BPA at that spot at positions of big needs.

I think i've fallen in the Kevin White bandwagon. Not too long ago, I wanted to steer clear of the guy, just because I have a fear of a Cordarelle Patterson clone, but this kid shows a lot of fight and has such a great work ethic.

Waynes is another guy I kept my eye on. Good size, decent speed, but due to his aggressive style, i can see him being a target for pass interference A LOT in the NFL

What position is Fowler projected to play at the next level? i see him listed at 6'3 277 on one site then 6'3 260 on another. They say he is very versatile who can play RE, LE, DT and OLB depending on the scheme and has a high motor and that 3-4 is best suited for him. If he is 277 it would seem he could play both DE in the 3-4 as well as rush from the OLB position. He seems like an intriguing, versatile talent

Originally posted by AsianJeff:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by AsianJeff:
I see what you're saying, trust me, but a lot of teams draft BPA and that's not a bad thing

I would take one of:
Amari Cooper
Kevin White
Davonte Parker
Danny Shelton
Trae Waynes

Likely 4 will be gone but one should be there at 15. All could be considered BPA at that spot at positions of big needs.

I think i've fallen in the Kevin White bandwagon. Not too long ago, I wanted to steer clear of the guy, just because I have a fear of a Cordarelle Patterson clone, but this kid shows a lot of fight and has such a great work ethic.

Waynes is another guy I kept my eye on. Good size, decent speed, but due to his aggressive style, i can see him being a target for pass interference A LOT in the NFL

Like Seattle's DBs?

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
What position is Fowler projected to play at the next level? i see him listed at 6'3 277 on one site then 6'3 260 on another. They say he is very versatile who can play RE, LE, DT and OLB depending on the scheme and has a high motor and that 3-4 is best suited for him. If he is 277 it would seem he could play both DE in the 3-4 as well as rush from the OLB position. He seems like an intriguing, versatile talent

he's extremely versatile and i see him playing a lot as a 3-4OLB and playing down on passing downs, like Aldon Smith. The thing with Fowler is that he has experience playing at a heavier weight and can still keep his explosion. his playing weight last season was at 260 and looked good.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Sure but I seriously doubt the Niners would consider taking a Center when there are such obvious needs at WR, DL, and CB. Would be stupid IMO.

This

Maybe TB trades down from 15

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Soemthign tells me that Cooper is gonna be a bust in the NFL. Not sure why but I just don't see it in him.

What's your take on Malcolm Brown outta TX?

Cooper is still young (still only 20 years old), and yet already polished. He is the most pro-ready of the bunch. I don't see the explosiveness of White, but he is going to be plug and play first training camp. I see very little bust potential.

Brown is interesting. I see a terrific hustle player, but really slow and lumbering. All effort, but runs in quicksand. I see guys like Davis, Shelton, Goldman much better. Brown is going to be limited to only a 34 NT, hogging up blockers on base downs. The other guys have flexibility, and can stay on the field on passing downs.

Thanks and yea I know Cooper has everything he needs to be great. Just more of a guy feeling than a critique of his skills. I shouldn't have used bust. More like underwhelming.

I asked about Brown b/c I started really studying him more closely this week after having a mild crush on him and noticed that he does look like he's stuck in the mud and won't be to effective as a DE. I love Shelton and Davis but I need to look more into Goldman.

I just see you mentioned something about them taking Erving at 15. No doubt he is good but you don't think it's overkill with Kilgore and Martin already on the roster? Or were you not pleased from what you saw outta both guys?

I like Brown because he can be a 3-4 DE on run downs, slide to NT on run or pass downs, and also line up at DT in the 4-2-5. Imagine Brown getting double teamed (worst porno ever...), which creates room for A. Smith, J. Smith, T. Carradine, or A. Lynch.

He offers a lot of upside in our scheme IMO.

like your rankings because you don't let the media and football analysts have too much of an impact on your thoughts about players. Agree with the Kevin White ranking!!! this kid is the odell beckham of this draft. Not the most hyped WR but will explode onto the scene.