Get Mariota

Oddly enough, we have a great analog for Mariota on our roster right now. Kap looked like a world beater in the zone-read and pistol game both at Nevada and with us initially. Now that he's being asked to throw into tight windows from the pocket, not so much.

Originally posted by JamesGatz83:
Gimmick was a poor choice of words, as I am ultimately a believer in that style of offense. I'm still a little skeptical of how successful that offense is going to be in January, but definitely still a believer.

What I meant was, that offense makes every QB you stick in it look incredible (see Mark Sanchez and Nick Foles). Tim Tebow threw 32 TDs and 4 INTs in a very similar no-huddle spread attack under Urban Meyer, and then could barely complete 50% of his passes in the NFL.

That offense does an awesome job of creating huge windows to throw into. Every time I see Mariota, he's completing passes to wide open receivers. Very rarely does he have to stick one into a tight spot--something you have to do quite frequently in the NFL.

It works pretty well for Foles and Sanchez (well not today at least)

Originally posted by JamesGatz83:
Oddly enough, we have a great analog for Mariota on our roster right now. Kap looked like a world beater in the zone-read and pistol game both at Nevada and with us initially. Now that he's being asked to throw into tight windows from the pocket, not so much.

This. Mariota is just a smaller, bigger school version of Kaepernick in many ways. Not sure how people could complain about Kaepernick but then want Mariota to be drafted when they're very similar in regards to their limitations.

Oregon redshirt junior QB Marcus Mariota's "inconsistent performance that belies his gaudy statistics" on Friday versus Arizona "could muddy rather than clarify the redshirt junior's projection to the next level," wrote CBS Sports' Rob Rang.


"Mariota was much more erratic than his admittedly impressive statistics indicate," Rang wrote. Mariota completed 25-of-38 attempts for 313 yards and two touchdowns in Friday's 51-13 win over Arizona, collecting 346 overall yards and five scores total. "Mariota delivered a couple of plays Friday night that will make the highlight reels and provide evidence of his exciting upside," Rang wrote. The analyst loved how Mariota evaded pressure and kept his eyes upfield in the face of it, but came away unfulfilled. "Mariota missed open receivers and he was very fortunate that a couple of wild deep throws in the first half weren't intercepted," Rang wrote, adding that inconsistencies make the popular comparison to San Francisco's Colin Kaepernick apt. "Neither Kaepernick nor Mariota consistently throws their receivers open, only sporadically providing teammates run-after-the-catch opportunities," Rang wrote.

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/cfb/34515/weidl-wvu-wr-kevin-white-tailored-for-nfl

Originally posted by JamesGatz83:
LOL. Based on college success in a gimmick offense in a conference that plays zero defense.

If you want a QB that can throw into tight windows, play in a pro-style offense, and beat a defense from the pocket, Mariota is not the guy.

This. People are being misled by the system rather than the player.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by JamesGatz83:

Oddly enough, we have a great analog for Mariota on our roster right now. Kap looked like a world beater in the zone-read and pistol game both at Nevada and with us initially. Now that he's being asked to throw into tight windows from the pocket, not so much.

This. Mariota is just a smaller, bigger school version of Kaepernick in many ways. Not sure how people could complain about Kaepernick but then want Mariota to be drafted when they're very similar in regards to their limitations.

Oregon redshirt junior QB Marcus Mariota's "inconsistent performance that belies his gaudy statistics" on Friday versus Arizona "could muddy rather than clarify the redshirt junior's projection to the next level," wrote CBS Sports' Rob Rang.


"Mariota was much more erratic than his admittedly impressive statistics indicate," Rang wrote. Mariota completed 25-of-38 attempts for 313 yards and two touchdowns in Friday's 51-13 win over Arizona, collecting 346 overall yards and five scores total. "Mariota delivered a couple of plays Friday night that will make the highlight reels and provide evidence of his exciting upside," Rang wrote. The analyst loved how Mariota evaded pressure and kept his eyes upfield in the face of it, but came away unfulfilled. "Mariota missed open receivers and he was very fortunate that a couple of wild deep throws in the first half weren't intercepted," Rang wrote, adding that inconsistencies make the popular comparison to San Francisco's Colin Kaepernick apt. "Neither Kaepernick nor Mariota consistently throws their receivers open, only sporadically providing teammates run-after-the-catch opportunities," Rang wrote.

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/cfb/34515/weidl-wvu-wr-kevin-white-tailored-for-nfl

Yeah honestly I'm done with these types of QBs. Outside of Madden they're a risky investment. Smart Pocket Passers only for me

Mariota by himself has scored more points in our stadium then we did all season. It's funny how we got so many experts in here already saying he won't be successful before hes even in the NFL. Why the hate fellas?

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Mariota by himself has scored more points in our stadium then we did all season. It's funny how we got so many experts in here already saying he won't be successful before hes even in the NFL. Why the hate fellas?

Kaepernick scored a s**tload of points in college too, broke records, made plays all over the place.........the NFL is a completely different beast. Mariota is a smaller knockoff of Kaepernick playing in an even more QB friendly offense. You have to look past the statistics and see that this guy isn't doing anything special, he's not throwing his receivers open, he's not particularly accurate, he struggles making his reads, he throws with a better touch than Kaepernick but he's also a lot smaller and has a weaker arm.


Its not what the guy does that worries, its what he doesn't do. He's not a Luck caliber player, he's not even an RG3 caliber player and we all saw how that turned out. If you draft him, you're taking a huge risk that he never develops into a consistent pocket passer. If he goes to a team like Philadelphia, then he should do very well considering his familiarity with that offense, but I can see him struggling on any number of other teams.


He's not a guy who fits into your system, he's a guy who you have to build a system around.

First off the comparison between Kaep and Mariota is an insult to Mariota.

I agree that they have similar builds, speed, and close to the same arm strength (Kaep gets the nod)
But in terms of their football IQ and the ability to read a defense I honestly believe that Mariota is more ready than Kaep.

Whenever I go to a website that claims to be a prospect evaluator I always check the write ups of Mariota before using any info on their other players. Reason being is Mariota got this knock from some evaluator that claims Mariota doesn't go through his reads, and that he doesn't look for the open passing lanes.
If we are talking about Kaep here then yes, I agree.
But Mariota, not even close.

Big differences between the two-
When the pocket collapses, Kaep becomes one dimensional.
He picks a receiver while scrambling to the edge, waits and waits to see if the gets open. If no, he runs for a 2-3 yard gain out of bounds. Or he forces a throw in there (lately its been the root cause of his INTs) and sometimes gets lucky with Boldin or Crabs.
Add pressure and remember that formula and Kaep is figured out. I have yet to see him remain calm in a collapsing (sometimes perfectly fine) pocket and keep his eyes downfield.

Mariota on the other hand-
Case in point that Arizona game, you can see the pass here (http://thebiglead.com/2014/12/05/marcus-mariota-made-this-throw-will-probably-win-heisman/)
You can see the pocket begin to collapse, and instead of scrambling for the side line Mariota drifts to the open side of the field. While he moves around in the pocket watch what he is doing with his eyes. HE KEEPS THEM FOCUSED DOWNFIELD.
This prevents the defense from dropping coverage down to combat the possible QB sneak.
Kap has yet to figure out the art of looking off defenders. Mariota was doing this as a freshman.
You know who else does that well? Russell Wilson.

Mariota does this play after play.
Kaep does not.


Thats the difference between the two.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Kaepernick scored a s**tload of points in college too, broke records, made plays all over the place.........the NFL is a completely different beast. Mariota is a smaller knockoff of Kaepernick playing in an even more QB friendly offense. You have to look past the statistics and see that this guy isn't doing anything special, he's not throwing his receivers open, he's not particularly accurate, he struggles making his reads, he throws with a better touch than Kaepernick but he's also a lot smaller and has a weaker arm.

Have you even watched any of his games? Not doing anything special? Breaking records doesn't count? Throwing 38TDs to 2ints isn't special? Throwing 10 ints in three years isn't special? Not particularly accurate? Does he not have the highest qb rating in college football? Is it he doesn't throw receivers open or that he actually throws to the open reciever? If he struggled with reads than his "inflated" stats wouldn't be. He goes through his progressions all the time, watch the tape it doesn't lie


Its not what the guy does that worries, its what he doesn't do. He's not a Luck caliber player, he's not even an RG3 caliber player and we all saw how that turned out. If you draft him, you're taking a huge risk that he never develops into a consistent pocket passer. If he goes to a team like Philadelphia, then he should do very well considering his familiarity with that offense, but I can see him struggling on any number of other teams.


He's not a guy who fits into your system, he's a guy who you have to build a system around.

Bottom line, you're a naysayer and I'm a believer and we can revisit this thread in a couple years, no point in arguing at this point cause neither you or I or anyone knows how he will do

Whoops. My response is the second paragraph also. Damn phone

Originally posted by Quest4six:
First off the comparison between Kaep and Mariota is an insult to Mariota.

I agree that they have similar builds, speed, and close to the same arm strength (Kaep gets the nod)
But in terms of their football IQ and the ability to read a defense I honestly believe that Mariota is more ready than Kaep.

Whenever I go to a website that claims to be a prospect evaluator I always check the write ups of Mariota before using any info on their other players. Reason being is Mariota got this knock from some evaluator that claims Mariota doesn't go through his reads, and that he doesn't look for the open passing lanes.
If we are talking about Kaep here then yes, I agree.
But Mariota, not even close.

Big differences between the two-
When the pocket collapses, Kaep becomes one dimensional.
He picks a receiver while scrambling to the edge, waits and waits to see if the gets open. If no, he runs for a 2-3 yard gain out of bounds. Or he forces a throw in there (lately its been the root cause of his INTs) and sometimes gets lucky with Boldin or Crabs.
Add pressure and remember that formula and Kaep is figured out. I have yet to see him remain calm in a collapsing (sometimes perfectly fine) pocket and keep his eyes downfield.

Mariota on the other hand-
Case in point that Arizona game, you can see the pass here (http://thebiglead.com/2014/12/05/marcus-mariota-made-this-throw-will-probably-win-heisman/)
You can see the pocket begin to collapse, and instead of scrambling for the side line Mariota drifts to the open side of the field. While he moves around in the pocket watch what he is doing with his eyes. HE KEEPS THEM FOCUSED DOWNFIELD.
This prevents the defense from dropping coverage down to combat the possible QB sneak.
Kap has yet to figure out the art of looking off defenders. Mariota was doing this as a freshman.
You know who else does that well? Russell Wilson.

Mariota does this play after play.
Kaep does not.


Thats the difference between the two.

The point is that offense makes it so he very rarely has to make elaborate reads from the pocket. The offense creates enormous windows to throw into via matchups and play-action.

Mariota is an unknown commodity as a pocket passer, and I sure as hell don't want to gamble on another system QB because he's fast and he puts up huge college numbers. That's a large part of what got us where we are right now.

Mariota is definitely my #1 QB in the draft. He's incredibly fast and elusive, has a good arm, doesn't make mistakes, and from what I've seen can and does read the field. Obviously there's going to be an adjustment to a different offense and faster, smarter defenses, but from what I've seen he looks like a better and more refined Colin Kaepernick. Definitely a top 5 pick imo, he's special

Originally posted by JamesGatz83:

Mariota is not a better version of Colin Kaepernick. Colin Kaepernick has completed 1.5 seasons as an NFL starter and already has 4 playoff wins. Pump the brakes.

A better version of Kaepernick is an extremely low bar.

Majority of the QB's that win the Heisman end up bust in the pro's..... #kissurcareergoodbye

Originally posted by TexasGuero49:

Majority of the QB's that win the Heisman end up bust in the pro's..... #kissurcareergoodbye

I don't think that's a valid criticism of Mariota. I've compared film of him and other former college players like Kaepernick, Tebow, and Manziel and Mariota is by far a superior player to all of them at this stage in his career. In a system that plays to his strengths, he'll be like Russell Wilson on more steroids than Sherman and Lynch combined

Point is, I really like him. Even in his current offense and with the "scrambler" label attached rather negatively to him, I think he's pro-ready and can win games week 1 next year (given he's not on the Jags ).