2015 49ers Draft Needs

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by btthepunk:
I like Ward and think he'll be a very good player but I still think we should've taken Tuitt there.

I loved Tuitt and all, but 1. He had 1 tackle coming into week 5, and 2. What makes you think we would play him, especially when Tank is in clothes not playing. Our staff is stubborn, don't play young guys, unless forced to.

Well Tuitt was better than Tank in college and wouldn't be learning a new position.

Originally posted by Gore_21:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

I'm on the DL band wagon.

I also think, if Lloyd keeps upping his game - he'll be resigned.

Let's say crabtree leaves having Lloyd around would soften the blow but can we afford him killing Ellington and especially Pattons growth. 1 year would be bad enough but 2 seasons they would be done. So do we take the risk and see if we have something in Ellington or Patton and risk it costing us games or do we play it safe go with Lloyd and then end up never seeing what Patton and possibly Ellington can do. It's a touch decision to make. I'd only think about bringing him back if no Crabtree though. If he's back we won't have to worry as much. So if no Crabtree I could see re-signing Lloyd or a bargain vet, trading for a bargain vet or drafting a wr in the 1st/2nd.

Agree Gore21.

A real positive, IMO, is having a guy like Lloyd for the rookies to learn nuances of the game from.

I'm not confident we'll resign Crabs and frankly I'm not worried one way or the other.

As far as Patton and Ellington's development goes; Ellington is seeing snaps and contributing. He's acclimating to NFL speed and getting valuable experience albeit not as a receiver. I am confident as we progress into the season he'll see some action there.

Patton at this point isn't seeing real game action and hopefully will as some point soon.

Like you, I feel that nothing will improve a player more than actual game experience. That's also what pisses me off in regards to Tank - but that's for another thread.

This is a big if but let's say Gore doesn't re-sign and neither does Hunter... Would anyone have a problem picking Gordon or Gurley at the end of the 1st or even if we traded down picked up say a 3rd or 4th and took one in the late 30s early 40s? They probably wouldn't last that long and Gore probably re-signs but would anyone be for that? Or just go with Hyde as the #1 if no Gore? Or would you rather just take a WR/DL in the 1st?

If Crabtree is gone it's going to be interesting to see how early we take a WR. It will be a nice class again for us to take someone but with Boldin, Johnson, possibly Lloyd, Ellington and Patton we could probably get away with not taking one early but Boldin is a FA after next year (although could re-sign 1 last year) so maybe we get one ready to go for life after Boldin. Same with DL we could probably live without one if McDonald is still on the team. Would leave us with Dial and Carradine and Williams as backup DE (Dorsey starting NT). So could live without one but could also use one early. Same with OL... Boone, Looney, Thomas and maybe M Martin to compete for the 2 guard spots if Kilgore is the starting center. That or Kilgore competes for the guard spot if Martin takes over as starter. So again we probably have enough depth there but could go with a G/T early. So will be interesting we could go BPA at WR/DL/OL, etc if we really wanted to.

Originally posted by Gore_21:
This is a big if but let's say Gore doesn't re-sign and neither does Hunter... Would anyone have a problem picking Gordon or Gurley at the end of the 1st or even if we traded down picked up say a 3rd or 4th and took one in the late 30s early 40s? They probably wouldn't last that long and Gore probably re-signs but would anyone be for that? Or just go with Hyde as the #1 if no Gore? Or would you rather just take a WR/DL in the 1st?

If Crabtree is gone it's going to be interesting to see how early we take a WR. It will be a nice class again for us to take someone but with Boldin, Johnson, possibly Lloyd, Ellington and Patton we could probably get away with not taking one early but Boldin is a FA after next year (although could re-sign 1 last year) so maybe we get one ready to go for life after Boldin. Same with DL we could probably live without one if McDonald is still on the team. Would leave us with Dial and Carradine and Williams as backup DE (Dorsey starting NT). So could live without one but could also use one early. Same with OL... Boone, Looney, Thomas and maybe M Martin to compete for the 2 guard spots if Kilgore is the starting center. That or Kilgore competes for the guard spot if Martin takes over as starter. So again we probably have enough depth there but could go with a G/T early. So will be interesting we could go BPA at WR/DL/OL, etc if we really wanted to.

Originally posted by Gore_21:
This is a big if but let's say Gore doesn't re-sign and neither does Hunter... Would anyone have a problem picking Gordon or Gurley at the end of the 1st or even if we traded down picked up say a 3rd or 4th and took one in the late 30s early 40s? They probably wouldn't last that long and Gore probably re-signs but would anyone be for that? Or just go with Hyde as the #1 if no Gore? Or would you rather just take a WR/DL in the 1st?

If Crabtree is gone it's going to be interesting to see how early we take a WR. It will be a nice class again for us to take someone but with Boldin, Johnson, possibly Lloyd, Ellington and Patton we could probably get away with not taking one early but Boldin is a FA after next year (although could re-sign 1 last year) so maybe we get one ready to go for life after Boldin. Same with DL we could probably live without one if McDonald is still on the team. Would leave us with Dial and Carradine and Williams as backup DE (Dorsey starting NT). So could live without one but could also use one early. Same with OL... Boone, Looney, Thomas and maybe M Martin to compete for the 2 guard spots if Kilgore is the starting center. That or Kilgore competes for the guard spot if Martin takes over as starter. So again we probably have enough depth there but could go with a G/T early. So will be interesting we could go BPA at WR/DL/OL, etc if we really wanted to.

I have RB as 2nd need right now, I think we take one but depends really on Lattimore. If he comes on late and looks like he can be the #2 or #3 guy if needed then RB drops down the need board for me. Also, we have Hunter coming back but worst case is:

Gore = signs elsewhere (not happening!)
Hyde = feature back
Hunter = does not come back fully from achilles injury (unlikely) or does not contribute till mid season
Lattimore = unknown right now

I think Gore plays another year especially in passing situations, Hyde takes on a bigger role, Hunter gets eased back in slowly and Lattimore gets going or gets released.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Agree Gore21.

A real positive, IMO, is having a guy like Lloyd for the rookies to learn nuances of the game from.

I'm not confident we'll resign Crabs and frankly I'm not worried one way or the other.

As far as Patton and Ellington's development goes; Ellington is seeing snaps and contributing. He's acclimating to NFL speed and getting valuable experience albeit not as a receiver. I am confident as we progress into the season he'll see some action there.

Patton at this point isn't seeing real game action and hopefully will as some point soon.

Like you, I feel that nothing will improve a player more than actual game experience. That's also what pisses me off in regards to Tank - but that's for another thread.

Patton has mentioned how much he is learning working with the vets, so I think you are very accurate. He will learn how to get stronger and how to make NFL level moves. Same with Ellington, who seems further along already.

I want the Niners to have a dominant Oline again. I hope Marcus Martin and Brandon Thomas work out. The Cowboys beat the Seahawks because of their Oline.

Originally posted by jordanroberts88:

I want the Niners to have a dominant Oline again. I hope Marcus Martin and Brandon Thomas work out. The Cowboys beat the Seahawks because of their Oline.

This. We have to be able to pass block as well as run block. Our o-line is very spotty right now

If we have an honest play at Sammie Coates or DeVante Parker, I'd make that a priority. We need speed on the outside, and the staff seems unwilling to put a pure speed guy on the field, so we need an every down WR who is also a burner. Coates drops some balls, but he is physical and fast, and he blocks hard all game. Parker supposedly greatly improved his speed and explosion, but I'm a little scared of a broken bone in the foot (Crab?). I'd really like to get Jalen Strong if he drops, as well, because we will need our next Q soon.

Originally posted by tohara3:

Originally posted by jordanroberts88:

I want the Niners to have a dominant Oline again. I hope Marcus Martin and Brandon Thomas work out. The Cowboys beat the Seahawks because of their Oline.

This. We have to be able to pass block as well as run block. Our o-line is very spotty right now

Which spot on the Oline would you draft?

Originally posted by jordanroberts88:

Originally posted by tohara3:

Originally posted by jordanroberts88:
I want the Niners to have a dominant Oline again. I hope Marcus Martin and Brandon Thomas work out. The Cowboys beat the Seahawks because of their Oline.

This. We have to be able to pass block as well as run block. Our o-line is very spotty right now

Which spot on the Oline would you draft?

Sorry to but in--(actually, I'm not ) but this is a question I've been pondering. My guess would be OG. The niners have Staley and Davis as very high level OTs with long term contracts; Iupati, Boone and Looney as solid OGs with one more year on contracts; and M Martin and Kilgore (maybe Looney) at center (long term). On top of that Thomas and J Martin will be capable back ups. So I would expect them to allow Iupati to test the market (FA 2015). Guards are signed until 2016 and then they are left with Thomas and Martin/Kilgore.

LT: Staley (2020), Boone (2016)
LG: Thomas (2018), M Martin (2018)
C: Kilgore (2018), M Martin (2018)
RG: Boone (2016), Looney (2016)
RT: Davis (2020), J Martin (2016)

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by jordanroberts88:

Originally posted by tohara3:

Originally posted by jordanroberts88:

I want the Niners to have a dominant Oline again. I hope Marcus Martin and Brandon Thomas work out. The Cowboys beat the Seahawks because of their Oline.

This. We have to be able to pass block as well as run block. Our o-line is very spotty right now

Which spot on the Oline would you draft?

Sorry to but in--(actually, I'm not ) but this is a question I've been pondering. My guess would be OG. The niners have Staley and Davis as very high level OTs with long term contracts; Iupati, Boone and Looney as solid OGs with one more year on contracts; and M Martin and Kilgore (maybe Looney) at center (long term). On top of that Thomas and J Martin will be capable back ups. So I would expect them to allow Iupati to test the market (FA 2015). Guards are signed until 2016 and then they are left with Thomas and Martin/Kilgore.

LT: Staley (2020), Boone (2016)
LG: Thomas (2018), M Martin (2018)
C: Kilgore (2018), M Martin (2018)
RG: Boone (2016), Looney (2016)
RT: Davis (2020), J Martin (2016)

That makes sense. I'm hoping staley gets back to his normal self and AD can fully recover from his injuries. Boone has been a disappointment so far. I thought he would dominate because he would be playing for that future contract.
I am happy with the competition between Kilgore and Martin, so OG would probably be the weakest area.

Looks like the 2015 NFL Cap could raise $11M from $133M to $144M, which would put us at the limit with carryover,

I'd start with a new OL coach. Next year we can let Thomas and Looney, maybe even Martin if Kilgore is the C of the future battle it out for LG. Heck if Boone is still playing this bad at the end of the year we might trade him and then we just go with the 2 best guys for LG and RG. I'd like to see what J Martin can do at guard. We might be able to use another G/T in that mix as well; the more competition the better. Either way having M Martin and then Thomas next year will help out our depth and competition a lot.

As for the cap cutting Dahl saves 1.7... we can trade, cut or have a number of guys restructure/take a pay cut: Brooks, McDonald, Dawson if with us, Stevie Johnson, Willis/Bowman, Kap, maybe Justin restructures and adds a year on, could do the same with Vernon and add some years on, etc. Can cut J Martin and save a mil with 0 dead money. Moody 558k saved, maybe even Lemonier 450k. So there is a lot of trading, cutting, restructuring or guys taking a pay cut that we can do. Just haven't done it yet and wont until the off-season.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
If we have an honest play at Sammie Coates or DeVante Parker, I'd make that a priority. We need speed on the outside, and the staff seems unwilling to put a pure speed guy on the field, so we need an every down WR who is also a burner. Coates drops some balls, but he is physical and fast, and he blocks hard all game. Parker supposedly greatly improved his speed and explosion, but I'm a little scared of a broken bone in the foot (Crab?). I'd really like to get Jalen Strong if he drops, as well, because we will need our next Q soon.

Wrath,
I'm with you on this. The team, particularly Kap, needs a guy who gets separation. The power run game calls for the complement of a deep threat. The two capabilities feed off one another. Finding a true #1 WR is the first need. Trade up, trade current players, whatever it takes to secure a true #1.

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
If we have an honest play at Sammie Coates or DeVante Parker, I'd make that a priority. We need speed on the outside, and the staff seems unwilling to put a pure speed guy on the field, so we need an every down WR who is also a burner. Coates drops some balls, but he is physical and fast, and he blocks hard all game. Parker supposedly greatly improved his speed and explosion, but I'm a little scared of a broken bone in the foot (Crab?). I'd really like to get Jalen Strong if he drops, as well, because we will need our next Q soon.

Wrath,
I'm with you on this. The team, particularly Kap, needs a guy who gets separation. The power run game calls for the complement of a deep threat. The two capabilities feed off one another. Finding a true #1 WR is the first need. Trade up, trade current players, whatever it takes to secure a true #1.

Agree as well. They need to go for a playmaker skill position guy...either WR or CB. With Johson, Ellington and Patton they still need a young top guy who can stretch the field and help take pressure off the other receivers. If they keep Crabtree and Boldin they are more complementary at this point...possession type receivers.