2015 49ers Draft Needs

Originally posted by TexasGuero49:
Ray Mac ----- Gone
Aldon --------- Maybe gone
Cowboy ------ Probably gone


Need d-line and outside linebacker in the first and O-line in the second.......Everything else can wait.


Trench guys will win you more games than specialty guys every time.

I get why you want to go heavy on both sides of the line and early, but we finally have a shot at some really good receivers. I don't think there is a chance that they go anywhere but that early on. They also have five guys capable of starting on the O-line, as well as some decent backups. I'm not arguing with the mantra of trench guys will win you more games, but we really need to reload at receiver and RB, regardless of whether we have Frank Gore or not.

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by teylo31:
Not sure of the order but I think our biggest needs are, well maybe the order should be DE, WR, OG, RB, QB. RB could drop off that list if Gore comes back and/or if they can get Winston back but then again the Browns cut Tate and have had problems with RB production yet never activated him so why they poached him is nbeyond me

Even if Gore comes back, they have to pick an additional RB anywhere.

Add an pass-rushing OLB to the list. I don't trust Aldon at all.

Neither do I. Sad reality is, we only have seven picks (I think). Assuming we don't get any comp picks, Ahmad Brooks remains with the team, and Justin Smith decides to stay on one more year (I think all the BS that went down had him talking retirement), I agree with all of the needs and would throw in tackle as well. I'd address it like this

1) Receiver: Kevin White or Devante Parker. This pick is more about life after Anquan Boldin than it is about -

2) Running back: Duke Johnson- Homerun hitter. How he does at the combine, plus the emergence of Jamal Charles could push him up the board. I don't see Kendall Hunter as a longterm solution given his injury history.

3) Defensive End: Arik Armstead. Would also like Shawn Oakman, but he will be long gone. There is a chance that we could trade up into the second round to have a shot at Oakman. If we use anything, I prefer it be 2016 draft picks. Mario Edwards also may be available at this spot. Regardless, either of these three picks would be great talent for Jim Tomsula to work his magic with.

4) Wide Receiver: Phillip Dorsett- Someone to actually catch those deep balls Kaepernick loves to throw. He is exactly the kind of guy we need to open it up for everyone. We also can go with Jamison Crowder who can at least return kicks. Backup pick, Karl Joseph.

5) OLB: James Vaughters- Depth at the OLB position because although I'd like Ahmad Brooks next season, I don't think he can hold off Aaron Lynch forever. We also need someone to push Corey Lemonier and a possible replacement for Dan Skuta in free agency.

6) S: Kyshoen Jarrett. Backup at SS. Back up pick, DE/NT: Kaleb Eulis- Next season we have Kaleb Ramsey and Lawrence Okoye who may be in the mix along with Tank Carradine, Quinton Dial, and hopefully Tony Jerod-Eddie. It will be an interesting battle for the starting job. I'd like to throw someone else in there to develop at NT/DE as well as compete with Mike Purcell for a practice squad spot. Being a U homer, I'd also like Anthony Chickillo here.

7) Offensive Tackle or BPA. If we do take a tackle, they are likely a practice squad player. Fact is, unless you get really lucky, I just don't see how a tackle taken outside of the first two rounds can offer any real help in 2015 and we have greater needs at the present time. I'd expect Trent Baalke to sign a FA tackle to backup the LOT and ROT positions as well as compete with Jonathan Martin. But realistically, we aren't likely to do better at this position.

UDFA: Tevin McDonald S- A player with red flags who could be a find if gets himself together.

we won't be getting any comp picks, will? we picked up bethea and cook and lost rogers, brown and goodman?

Originally posted by ninergold:
we won't be getting any comp picks, will? we picked up bethea and cook and lost rogers, brown and goodman?

Gains

S Antoine Bethea



Losses

S Donte Whitner
CB Tarell Brown
RB Anthony Dixon




*The cutoff date for signings to count in the formula is June 1
*It is believed that players who sign one-year, minimum-salary contracts with no or minimal signing bonuses do not count in the formula

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

I get why you want to go heavy on both sides of the line and early, but we finally have a shot at some really good receivers. I don't think there is a chance that they go anywhere but that early on. They also have five guys capable of starting on the O-line, as well as some decent backups. I'm not arguing with the mantra of trench guys will win you more games, but we really need to reload at receiver and RB, regardless of whether we have Frank Gore or not.



Neither do I. Sad reality is, we only have seven picks (I think). Assuming we don't get any comp picks, Ahmad Brooks remains with the team, and Justin Smith decides to stay on one more year (I think all the BS that went down had him talking retirement), I agree with all of the needs and would throw in tackle as well. I'd address it like this

1) Receiver: Kevin White or Devante Parker. This pick is more about life after Anquan Boldin than it is about -

2) Running back: Duke Johnson- Homerun hitter. How he does at the combine, plus the emergence of Jamal Charles could push him up the board. I don't see Kendall Hunter as a longterm solution given his injury history.

3) Defensive End: Arik Armstead. Would also like Shawn Oakman, but he will be long gone. There is a chance that we could trade up into the second round to have a shot at Oakman. If we use anything, I prefer it be 2016 draft picks. Mario Edwards also may be available at this spot. Regardless, either of these three picks would be great talent for Jim Tomsula to work his magic with.

4) Wide Receiver: Phillip Dorsett- Someone to actually catch those deep balls Kaepernick loves to throw. He is exactly the kind of guy we need to open it up for everyone. We also can go with Jamison Crowder who can at least return kicks. Backup pick, Karl Joseph.

5) OLB: James Vaughters- Depth at the OLB position because although I'd like Ahmad Brooks next season, I don't think he can hold off Aaron Lynch forever. We also need someone to push Corey Lemonier and a possible replacement for Dan Skuta in free agency.

6) S: Kyshoen Jarrett. Backup at SS. Back up pick, DE/NT: Kaleb Eulis- Next season we have Kaleb Ramsey and Lawrence Okoye who may be in the mix along with Tank Carradine, Quinton Dial, and hopefully Tony Jerod-Eddie. It will be an interesting battle for the starting job. I'd like to throw someone else in there to develop at NT/DE as well as compete with Mike Purcell for a practice squad spot. Being a U homer, I'd also like Anthony Chickillo here.

7) Offensive Tackle or BPA. If we do take a tackle, they are likely a practice squad player. Fact is, unless you get really lucky, I just don't see how a tackle taken outside of the first two rounds can offer any real help in 2015 and we have greater needs at the present time. I'd expect Trent Baalke to sign a FA tackle to backup the LOT and ROT positions as well as compete with Jonathan Martin. But realistically, we aren't likely to do better at this position.

UDFA: Tevin McDonald S- A player with red flags who could be a find if gets himself together.

You cannot leave the O line with just a 7th round pick. Unless you want to see a rerun of 2014. So depending on talent available at any point in the draft I would like to see:

1: wide receiver
2: quarterback or offensive tackle
3: OT, QB or running back
4: DE or whatever from 3 hasn't been taken
5: interior lineman
6-7: BPA

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
I get why you want to go heavy on both sides of the line and early, but we finally have a shot at some really good receivers. I don't think there is a chance that they go anywhere but that early on. They also have five guys capable of starting on the O-line, as well as some decent backups. I'm not arguing with the mantra of trench guys will win you more games, but we really need to reload at receiver and RB, regardless of whether we have Frank Gore or not.



Neither do I. Sad reality is, we only have seven picks (I think). Assuming we don't get any comp picks, Ahmad Brooks remains with the team, and Justin Smith decides to stay on one more year (I think all the BS that went down had him talking retirement), I agree with all of the needs and would throw in tackle as well. I'd address it like this

1) Receiver: Kevin White or Devante Parker. This pick is more about life after Anquan Boldin than it is about -

2) Running back: Duke Johnson- Homerun hitter. How he does at the combine, plus the emergence of Jamal Charles could push him up the board. I don't see Kendall Hunter as a longterm solution given his injury history.

3) Defensive End: Arik Armstead. Would also like Shawn Oakman, but he will be long gone. There is a chance that we could trade up into the second round to have a shot at Oakman. If we use anything, I prefer it be 2016 draft picks. Mario Edwards also may be available at this spot. Regardless, either of these three picks would be great talent for Jim Tomsula to work his magic with.

4) Wide Receiver: Phillip Dorsett- Someone to actually catch those deep balls Kaepernick loves to throw. He is exactly the kind of guy we need to open it up for everyone. We also can go with Jamison Crowder who can at least return kicks. Backup pick, Karl Joseph.

5) OLB: James Vaughters- Depth at the OLB position because although I'd like Ahmad Brooks next season, I don't think he can hold off Aaron Lynch forever. We also need someone to push Corey Lemonier and a possible replacement for Dan Skuta in free agency.

6) S: Kyshoen Jarrett. Backup at SS. Back up pick, DE/NT: Kaleb Eulis- Next season we have Kaleb Ramsey and Lawrence Okoye who may be in the mix along with Tank Carradine, Quinton Dial, and hopefully Tony Jerod-Eddie. It will be an interesting battle for the starting job. I'd like to throw someone else in there to develop at NT/DE as well as compete with Mike Purcell for a practice squad spot. Being a U homer, I'd also like Anthony Chickillo here.

7) Offensive Tackle or BPA. If we do take a tackle, they are likely a practice squad player. Fact is, unless you get really lucky, I just don't see how a tackle taken outside of the first two rounds can offer any real help in 2015 and we have greater needs at the present time. I'd expect Trent Baalke to sign a FA tackle to backup the LOT and ROT positions as well as compete with Jonathan Martin. But realistically, we aren't likely to do better at this position.

UDFA: Tevin McDonald S- A player with red flags who could be a find if gets himself together.

You cannot leave the O line with just a 7th round pick. Unless you want to see a rerun of 2014. So depending on talent available at any point in the draft I would like to see:

1: wide receiver
2: quarterback or offensive tackle
3: OT, QB or running back
4: DE or whatever from 3 hasn't been taken
5: interior lineman
6-7: BPA

Do you honestly believe the O-line is that bad solely off of this season?

Also, no OT IMO unless a first rounder is likely to come in and be any more help than what Jonathan Martin did this season. We also have five interior lineman in the mix as it is. Put Anthony Davis in the lineup and give them.some continuity and the line should improve. A better scheme and better coaching for Kap and I think we'd have a line that.matched the amount of talent invested.

If Boone is extended the OL need becomes much less. If not it is a huge need.

Originally posted by ninergold:
we won't be getting any comp picks, will? we picked up bethea and cook and lost rogers, brown and goodman?

Who the hell is Goodman?

John??

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

UDFA: Tevin McDonald S- A player with red flags who could be a find if gets himself together.

wow ur tha only other dude i seen talk about Tevin ... I thought he may have came out last yr N i was hoping then we'd draft him ... i think he could be a very good pick up for us even if it means spending a 6th or 7th round pick on him ... He come frm a football family his brother is playin for tha Rams his dad played for us in tha 90'z ....

Wanted to revive this thread! There are a couple of obvious historical facts to rely on--since Baalke fills immediate needs through free agency, I would expect the draft to continue to be about depth and players to develop. If they have many young guys in a group, then a vet FA makes more sense. My take would be to look at each group and see if they have a dominant player to rely on and depth for stability. Player in bold are current or former elite level players.

Defense

• DL: J Smith (if not retired) is the star quality player. Carradine, Dorsey, Williams, Dial are all solid players and then Purcell, Okoye, and Ramsey are questionable. If Justin retires they will either have to draft a real solid player or hope Carradine develops quickly. A FA like Knighten would help. It's been posted that Mangini prefers a true NT which may make that position a high priority.

• MLBs are in good hands with Willis, Bowman, Borland and Moody.
• OLB is a concern. A Smith, Lynch, Brooks, Lemonier and Skuta would seem to make it a solid group but Brooks may be gone, A Smith consistently self destructs his career, Lemonier has under performed and they really don't have a speed rusher for late game situations when teams are trying to come back. Lynch and A Smith are very similar guys--great strength and good quickness but not that dominant speed that is desireable.
• DB: No stars but good solid players. Will the new coaching staff continue to put different guys out there as successfully as Donatel? My concern here is more coaching related than player acquisition. Brock, Reid and Bethea are all solid starters. Ward and Johnson are solid backups. Acker, Reaser, McCray, McFadden and Fuller are interesting young guys who will get shots (if they are still all around). I think a lot hinges on which (if any) FAs are signed--Cox and Culliver being the most likely starters of the group.

Offense

• RB: Position in transiton? If Gore comes back this may be a solid group but still needs a backup RB. FB is in good shape if Milliard comes along. I would expect the team to use a 3rd to 5th round pick here.
• WR: Great need and a FA could be signed as a starter or third option. Boldin and Johnson are both solid. Ellington showed signs of being a dynamic playmaker (mostly on special teams but it could translate to WR as well). Patton has been adding strength and could be much better in his third year. They need to have some vertical pressure to stretch the D this year and VD may or many not be healthy. Can they get this later in the draft? Or FAcy? May be a top need depending on how they see the current group.
• TE: I see this as a non need unless they lose Celek and VD doesn't heal completely. They have McDonald, Carrier, VD, Cleveland and Milliard as a HBack.
• QB: CK needs a back up--may be a higher need under this new staff than before. If Kaepernick is going to run more it increases the likelihood he will be injured. Gabbert and Johnson are FAs...so they need a QB who could run their system adequately in a pinch. I don't see them taking a QB in the draft unless they luck out and one falls to them. They need a guy with some experience as a back up. Johnson could be back as he knows the receivers.
• OL: Staley is the only proven dual guy--pass and run. Boone may be great but was disappointing last year. Kilgore, M Martin, and A Davis are solid. Ferrell, Looney and J Martin provide decent depth. Thomas is a huge question and hopefully be a starting OG this year. If they go to zone blocking Boone may have to move to OT or be traded. A line of Staley/Thomas/Kilgore/MMartin/Davis might work. Thomas, Davis, and Boone can all play G ro T. Upgrade is needed but not a starter.

Likely draft spots (considering BPA)

• 1rst: DL
• 2nd: WR
• 3rd: RB
• 4th: OLB (speed rusher)
• 4th: OL backup
• 5th: WR/KR
• 6th: DL
• 7th: OL camp competition
• 7th: DL camp competition

This could have been in NC's Needs Thread...not sure why they haven't been combined--they are both full of great posts.

Excellent post dtg_9er.

Originally posted by DeUh:
Excellent post dtg_9er.

Thanks...not much to think about except the...draft! Wish they hadn't moved it back so far, but it's probably better for the college players.