why do we want a 5'9 cb with the 30 pick

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Like I've been saying, it is the Russell Wilson effect all over again.


Before the draft, errybody was like "Man, if this guy was a couple inches taller, he'd easily be a Top 10 pick" and I hear the same sorts of comments about Verrett. If a guy is that talented, I think the height becomes less of an issue, particularly if you've got ups the way Verrett does. With a 39" vertical, he can get up higher than a much taller guy like Jordan Matthews, giving him a better ability to play the ball in the air. People get overly focused on a DB's height vs a WR but the focus should be on a DB's ability to play the ball. If you can jump almost 40", it's still going to be tough for teams to throw over the top on you normally. Verrett has a better vertical than guys like Richard Sherman, Patrick Peterson and basically any other cornerback on the 49ers(Perrish Cox-32.5", Chris Culliver-38", Eric Wright-36", Tramaine Brock-36")


I see a lot of teams passing up on this guy for one reason or another and then really regretting it a couple years down the road. His gametape doesn't lie, he has outstanding awareness and fluidity on the field, I don't doubt he can hold his own against the Percy Harvin's and Wes Welker's of the NFL, which are just two of the shifty, faster receivers that the 49ers will be running into this upcoming season.

Not true.

Matthews 6´3" vertical 35.5"

Verrett 5´9" vertical 39"

Standing next to each other Matthews still jumps 2.5" higher.

Originally posted by VPofCarnage:

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Daryl Green ran a 4.15 40 http://www.gridironstuds.com/blog/the-fastest-40-yard-dash-ever/

No he didn't. That is a fantasy. I'm pretty sure Usain Bolt couldn't run a 4.15 in the 40.

The only barometer we have for NFL players' speed is electronically timed 40's at the combine. Any time before that standard can't be compared to current times.

Did you read the article? They did substantial research on the subject, did you?

Phoenix,
I gotta tell you... I've been spending a good portion of this day at work researching Verrett. I think he has the skill set to be amazing.
I wouldn't mind us taking him 1st round and having it be Verrett/Brock with Cook and Wright competing for the nickel. I think it is all going to depend on how tough he really is, and so far I think he has got it.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by SaksV:
Proper conditioning and diet ensures durability, not size/mass.

Conditioning is tremendously important. As a Phoenix Suns fan,I've seen them revive the corpses of Penny Hardaway and Grant Hill, hell even Shaq looked good for awhile. Nash left Phoenix and fell to pieces. Their training staff is absolutely outstanding and so I'm convinced that conditioning might be the biggest factor of all ultimately.

No doubt about it. Those guys even revamped Jermaine O'neal's old body last year.

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by VPofCarnage:

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Daryl Green ran a 4.15 40 http://www.gridironstuds.com/blog/the-fastest-40-yard-dash-ever/

No he didn't. That is a fantasy. I'm pretty sure Usain Bolt couldn't run a 4.15 in the 40.

The only barometer we have for NFL players' speed is electronically timed 40's at the combine. Any time before that standard can't be compared to current times.

Did you read the article? They did substantial research on the subject, did you?

Taylor Mays 4.24

Tyrann Mathieu
5' 9", 186 lbs.

40---4.50
Bench---4
VJ--- 34"
BJ---117"
SS--4.14
3-C---6.97

Jason Verrett
5' 9 1/2" 189lbs.

40--4.38
Bench---19
VJ---39"
BJ---127"
SS---4.00
3---C 6.67

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Did you read the article? They did substantial research on the subject, did you?

I've read up on this many times before. Like every year. I'm not saying that Green didn't run some version of a 4.15 in the 40. What I'm saying is that by today's standards, he didn't run anywhere near that time. So it's an irrelevant time to compare to modern, electronically-timed 40's. The two can't be compared because the methods of timing them were completely different.

So it's useless to say Bo Jackson ran a 4.12 if in the same sentence you're going to say Dri Archer ran a 4.26. And Archer is easily the faster of the two.

Usain Bolt MIGHT be able to come to Indianapolis and run a 4.15 by combine standards, surface, start method, etc. But even HE would have a hard time doing that.

Originally posted by Quest4six:
Phoenix,
I gotta tell you... I've been spending a good portion of this day at work researching Verrett. I think he has the skill set to be amazing.
I wouldn't mind us taking him 1st round and having it be Verrett/Brock with Cook and Wright competing for the nickel. I think it is all going to depend on how tough he really is, and so far I think he has got it.

You should have done that from the jump. Flawless game tape > One inch of height

Originally posted by Hopper:
You should have done that from the jump. Flawless game tape > One inch of height

It's kind of funny that everyone is running around, trying to find the next Richard Sherman, looking at height and weight but ignoring that a big part of what makes Sherman good is his hunger, attitude and chip on his shoulder. I see similar traits from Verrett, even if he doesn't have a similar build. Verrett got absolutely destroyed early on in his career, to the point where he considered quitting football altogether. He picked himself up, re-dedicated himself, put the work in and he's been constantly improving ever since. He's got the drive and the right attitude to be a success, not sure how much more I can say about the guy, I'm convinced he will do well regardless of wherever he may end up.

Originally posted by Hopper:
You should have done that from the jump. Flawless game tape > One inch of height

It is not flawless. But it is good enough for me to want him as my slot/outside CB
I don't just look up highlight tapes... Those are great and all but don't show you the true character of a player.

Verrett's competitive edge, toughness, and ferocity are all things I am starting to like. You can tell the man plays with a chip on his shoulders, with the kind of things i've seen so far maybe both.

Originally posted by Quest4six:
It is not flawless. But it is good enough for me to want him as my slot/outside CB
I don't just look up highlight tapes... Those are great and all but don't show you the true character of a player.

Verrett's competitive edge, toughness, and ferocity are all things I am starting to like. You can tell the man plays with a chip on his shoulders, with the kind of things i've seen so far maybe both.

Another guy to check out is Ricardo Allen, he's a much later round selection but he has that same sort of attitude, plays with a chip on his shoulder...etc. I've always thought that to be a great receiver or a great cornerback, you needed that same sort of attitude, confidence bordering on cockiness, to act as if each time you're going to win out, that when the football is up in the air, it belongs to you and nobody else. That's one of the reasons I think Jenkins didn't pan out, I never saw that inner fire, that sort of confidence in him, more to the opposite he seemed to lack confidence and be unsure of himself. This is the same reason why I expect very good things from Patton, he plays with that same sort of attitude. Verrett definitely has that attitude, he'll take on anyone fearlessly and seems very confident in himself and his abilities.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Hopper:
You should have done that from the jump. Flawless game tape > One inch of height

It's kind of funny that everyone is running around, trying to find the next Richard Sherman, looking at height and weight but ignoring that a big part of what makes Sherman good is his hunger, attitude and chip on his shoulder. I see similar traits from Verrett, even if he doesn't have a similar build. Verrett got absolutely destroyed early on in his career, to the point where he considered quitting football altogether. He picked himself up, re-dedicated himself, put the work in and he's been constantly improving ever since. He's got the drive and the right attitude to be a success, not sure how much more I can say about the guy, I'm convinced he will do well regardless of wherever he may end up.

I would love to have Verrett. That kid has grade A coverage skills and he's as tough as they come. He doesn't shy away from tackling at all. Phoenix me and you are on same page regarding how valuable a top notch slot corner would be in our defense. If you give Fangio a slot corner that cover on an island alone against these quick shifty slot Wr's like Harvin or Cruz it's a huge luxury. Fangio can always easily roll over safety help for our outside corners. But giving his slot corner LB or Safety help makes things a lot more complicated for him.


The NFL can be a copycat league, but this obsession with big corners because of Seattle's success is definitely getting out of hand.

Originally posted by VPofCarnage:

So it's useless to say Bo Jackson ran a 4.12 if in the same sentence you're going to say Dri Archer ran a 4.26. And Archer is easily the faster of the two.

Bo Jackson was probably the best athlete of his generation, nobody could catch him, so he probably was faster than Archer. But this article is referring to the best times they ever ran. I'm sure Bo didn't run a 4.12 every time. If Archer ran repeatedly he might be able to record a faster time in the Bo Jackson / Daryl Green range.

Originally posted by VPofCarnage:

Usain Bolt MIGHT be able to come to Indianapolis and run a 4.15 by combine standards, surface, start method, etc. But even HE would have a hard time doing that.

Bolt's strength is after the first 40 yards he really speeds up and runs away from the best sprinters in the world at the end of the race and in the 200 meters. So yes he probably only runs an ~4.15 40.

Originally posted by DeUh:

Not true.

Matthews 6�3" vertical 35.5"

Verrett 5�9" vertical 39"

Standing next to each other Matthews still jumps 2.5" higher.

I think you mean to say Matthews still reaches 2.5" higher even though Verrett jumps higher. This isn't entirely true anyways because Matthews has much longer arms than Verrett so while there is 6" of difference in their height, there is likely an 8" gap in their standing reach and Matthews probably reaches 4" higher. In pads the gap is probably greater.

I'd always take an inch of height or arm length over an inch of vertical jump because players rarely jump close to their max standing vertical jump on the fields in pads.

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