MadDog's Niners Draft Grade and Analysis for 2012 NFL Draft

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Stop 🛑 ...you stated Baalke brought in a slow boldin yet it was Jim. Great Ginn was a a decoy still was there. I never said Baalke gave him all-star WRs. I'm stating we had a talented team overall for yrs and not having one burner WR wasn't gonna make Jimbo's ground and pound chew up the lock offense ineffective. People kissing Harbs ass like he did no wrong is unbelievable lol. Dude failed to win th big games as a player and has thus far as a coach. His stubborn ass and lack of in game adjustments has cost him wins.

Jim is going into his 4th season at Michigan, you telling me it's magically gonna be some crazy pass offense stretching the field with bombs and deep speed? I call b******t....even when he had luck at Stanford they were blasting the ball with Toby Gerhart (342 rushing attempts for 1,800 yards his last yr) and piss pounding people on defense. That's Jim's MO. That's what he did in college, the pros, and what he's currently doing at Michigan.

People calling out not having a all-star receiving core as to the reason we didn't win it all are being ridiculous imo.

I've alrwdy said my peace with Baalke and him being a horrible GM, jim is a much better HC BUT to say he was perfect and had no flaws is a joke

No, it was still Baalke. You must of forgot that Baalke had personnel control and Jim had to hand the phone over to him. I say he brought in slow Boldin because a he did, and b his control of the rest of the squad forced him as a starter.

The results say otherwise. We had a great offense in 2012. You really can't make the argument that the core of Crabtree, Walker and Vernon is not something you can easily build around.

And of course JH's o will never be Shanny's. He plays power ball control football. The reverse end is good luck thinking Shanny will ever have a top 5 d looking to blow everyone out. It's not a coincidence everywhere JH goes plays elite d. He plays to it by slowing down the tempo, running the ball. That's not saying you should have the slowest team in the league like we ended up with because of Baalke. JH has great athleticsm at UM with Black and People's Jones at receiver.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

No, it was still Baalke. You must of forgot that Baalke had personnel control and Jim had to hand the phone over to him. I say he brought in slow Boldin because a he did, and b his control of the rest of the squad forced him as a starter.

The results say otherwise. We had a great offense in 2012. You really can't make the argument that the core of Crabtree, Walker and Vernon is not something you can easily build around.

And of course JH's o will never be Shanny's. He plays power ball control football. The reverse end is good luck thinking Shanny will ever have a top 5 d looking to blow everyone out. It's not a coincidence everywhere JH goes plays elite d. He plays to it by slowing down the tempo, running the ball. That's not saying you should have the slowest team in the league like we ended up with because of Baalke. JH has great athleticsm at UM with Black and People's Jones at receiver.

+1
https://michigan.rivals.com/news/michigan-football-wide-receivers-primed-for-sophomore-season-breakouts

Nico Collins and Oliver Martin is getting alot of talk as well. Black and Jones will be nfl bound next season. He has the big receiver, the fast receiver, the shifty receiver..

Plus 3 Qb's. I know it's not nfl but he always preaches competition.. He preached it with us and is preaching it in college.

Competition for positions is good.. nfl or college.. It brings the best out of players.

Shea Patterson, Dylan McCaffrey and Joe Milton have weapons at their disposal not including the rb Higdon and Evans with a defense that is going to be top 5 again.

I think it's safe to say, he knows what type of players he needs for his system college or nfl and it doesn't include an all acl crew.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

How can you point the finger at the dude that actually was the one working out of the duo? Everyone has flaws sure but his partner did s**t to help him, gave him tons of injured players. You expect me to expect him to thrive under those conditions??? No coach could thrive under those conditions or with that GM and you expect JH should have? You have to replenish, those dbacks were getting burned.

Baalke's long list of coaches couldn't work with him... It's not a mystery.. There was a huge problem and his long list of coaches that were fired. Is proof. Unworkable

Who said he was perfect or had no flaws? He had a guy that did not work with him?

Plain and Simple, remody for disaster.

Lol again who were all those injuried players from 2011-2013 who actually were starters? Not many...those s**tty drafts affected San Francisco more down the road then when he was here.

Why can't it be he couldn't work with Baalke?? You keep deflecting every issue onto one person when there was multiple peoole involved with what went wrong.

You will give Harbs all the credit and zero of the blame, which is silly...both had issues

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Lol again who were all those injuried players from 2011-2013 who actually were starters? Not many...those s**tty drafts affected San Francisco more down the road then when he was here.

Why can't it be he couldn't work with Baalke?? You keep deflecting every issue onto one person when there was multiple peoole involved with what went wrong.

You will give Harbs all the credit and zero of the blame, which is silly...both had issues

Because no one could work with Baalke NY... It's silly to ignore he went through 3-4 coaches NY and couldn't supply a snicker bar let alone an nfl player?

Why should I believe anything other than the fact that Baalke couldn't work with any of the coaches provided.. To ignore that huge fact is silly, with all honesty and it's being ignored no coach could work with that guy.

Why should I not believe the facts? Not Harbaugh not fartsula not chip not any other coach he had could work with guy... Why should I go against the facts?

Originally posted by tjd808185:

No, it was still Baalke. You must of forgot that Baalke had personnel control and Jim had to hand the phone over to him. I say he brought in slow Boldin because a he did, and b his control of the rest of the squad forced him as a starter.

The results say otherwise. We had a great offense in 2012. You really can't make the argument that the core of Crabtree, Walker and Vernon is not something you can easily build around.

And of course JH's o will never be Shanny's. He plays power ball control football. The reverse end is good luck thinking Shanny will ever have a top 5 d looking to blow everyone out. It's not a coincidence everywhere JH goes plays elite d. He plays to it by slowing down the tempo, running the ball. That's not saying you should have the slowest team in the league like we ended up with because of Baalke. JH has great athleticsm at UM with Black and People's Jones at receiver.

So Harbs didn't help bring in boldin lol? his brother even stated he spoke to Baalke about him being available and Baalke worked the trade negotiation...how you see it as different than that is baffling.

Yes we had the 11th ranked offense one yr...every other yr we ranked in the 20s. Awesome.

Yes I'm sure Michigan will be leading college in passing next yr lol...that's my point, people are b***hing he didn't have all this talent to run HIS system in SF. And I call baloney! We had an elite defense, top end OL/RB for power running, he got to hand pick his QB, we didn't turn the ball over and ran out the clock. That's what he's done everywhere...people proclaiming we didn't have talent as to why we didn't win it all is making BS excuses. Talent was there for a couple yrs. period. They should have won at least one SB but got out coached whether it was vs Seattle or the Ravens.

Baalke sucks we all knows this proof is in the pudding, I'm not gonna say Jim was some perfect HC either

I'm sorry but to ignore, not one coach could work with Baalke is self explanatory and silly to ignore that important fact.

Not just Harbaugh every coach that worked under couldn't work with him. Not a single coach you can name.. If it's worth anything I wish he would have helped his coaches

Pattern much???

Originally posted by tjd808185:
No, it was still Baalke. You must of forgot that Baalke had personnel control and Jim had to hand the phone over to him. I say he brought in slow Boldin because a he did, and b his control of the rest of the squad forced him as a starter.

The results say otherwise. We had a great offense in 2012. You really can't make the argument that the core of Crabtree, Walker and Vernon is not something you can easily build around.

And of course JH's o will never be Shanny's. He plays power ball control football. The reverse end is good luck thinking Shanny will ever have a top 5 d looking to blow everyone out. It's not a coincidence everywhere JH goes plays elite d. He plays to it by slowing down the tempo, running the ball. That's not saying you should have the slowest team in the league like we ended up with because of Baalke. JH has great athleticsm at UM with Black and People's Jones at receiver.

If your D forces a ton of 3 and outs it doesn't matter what the other offense is. Pederson doesn't run a ball control offense in Philly and their defense is still top notch. TOP is the most overrated thing in football, especially when you have the ball forever and only kick fg's.

Why am I to believe JH should have thrived under Baalke when no other coach has. Not a single one.

Facts.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

So Harbs didn't help bring in boldin lol? his brother even stated he spoke to Baalke about him being available and Baalke worked the trade negotiation...how you see it as different than that is baffling.

Yes we had the 11th ranked offense one yr...every other yr we ranked in the 20s. Awesome.

Yes I'm sure Michigan will be leading college in passing next yr lol...that's my point, people are b***hing he didn't have all this talent to run HIS system in SF. And I call baloney! We had an elite defense, top end OL/RB for power running, he got to hand pick his QB, we didn't turn the ball over and ran out the clock. That's what he's done everywhere...people proclaiming we didn't have talent as to why we didn't win it all is making BS excuses. Talent was there for a couple yrs. period. They should have won at least one SB but got out coached whether it was vs Seattle or the Ravens.

Baalke sucks we all knows this proof is in the pudding, I'm not gonna say Jim was some perfect HC either

They had the talent in 12 and to a lesser extent 11, 13 but fell short. In a league where the Patriots have been to the SB 8 times with every game being decided on the final drive it happens. We lost to Blt when we should of won just like Shanny lost to NE when he should of won. Or Carroll lost to them when they should of won.

Since when do you have to lead the league in passing to win though? I didn't know that was a requirement.

There's no denying the talent especially on o went south as JH's regime went along. Baalke also had the control and we know they were heavily beefing. As to who wanted what and where things went wrong I don't know but it's more than fair to call Baalke out for destroying a potentially good offense. The buck stopped with him.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
Why am I to believe JH should have thrived under Baalke when no other coach has. Not a single one.

Facts.

Dont think NY is saying he should've. Just that he had the talent in 2012 to win the SB.

I'd ask why am I to believe Mike Lombardi would thrive with Harbaugh when he never has anywhere else? Or why should I believe Harbaugh has a great eye for accumulating NFL talent when he didn't think much of both Richard Sherman and Doug Baldwin.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
They had the talent in 12 and to a lesser extent 11, 13 but fell short. In a league where the Patriots have been to the SB 8 times with every game being decided on the final drive it happens. We lost to Blt when we should of won just like Shanny lost to NE when he should of won. Or Carroll lost to them when they should of won.

Since when do you have to lead the league in passing to win though? I didn't know that was a requirement.

There's no denying the talent especially on o went south as JH's regime went along. Baalke also had the control and we know they were heavily beefing. As to who wanted what and where things went wrong I don't know but it's more than fair to call Baalke out for destroying a potentially good offense. The buck stopped with him.

Seattle fans aren't blaming John Schneider for the Hawks losing to the Pats because they didn't have requisite depth however.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

They had the talent in 12 and to a lesser extent 11, 13 but fell short. In a league where the Patriots have been to the SB 8 times with every game being decided on the final drive it happens. We lost to Blt when we should of won just like Shanny lost to NE when he should of won. Or Carroll lost to them when they should of won.

Since when do you have to lead the league in passing to win though? I didn't know that was a requirement.

There's no denying the talent especially on o went south as JH's regime went along. Baalke also had the control and we know they were heavily beefing. As to who wanted what and where things went wrong I don't know but it's more than fair to call Baalke out for destroying a potentially good offense. The buck stopped with him.

They definitely weren't arguing in regards to who is buying lunch that is for sure. My educated guess was the power struggle was in regards to talent....

After all one still continues to be successful wherever he goes and the other doesn't even have a head coach he can be proud of and or succeeded with.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Seattle fans aren't blaming John Schneider for the Hawks losing to the Pats because they didn't have requisite depth however.

Would they blame him if he then put a stick a dynamite in the team and ran Carroll out because he's too soft to handle a loss?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Seattle fans aren't blaming John Schneider for the Hawks losing to the Pats because they didn't have requisite depth however.

Of course because they already have a ring. Baalke had no success with any of his coaches..

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Why am I to believe JH should have thrived under Baalke when no other coach has. Not a single one.

Facts.

Lol again it's not Baalke vs Jim...The talent on the roster regardless of who or where it came from was at the very least top 10 in the NFL for most of Harbs time here...they had 8 pro-bowlers in 2012 and 9 pro-bowlers in 2013.