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Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
Way too much hype...it doesn't prove anything. Not saying Newton isn't an intruguing prospect, but to suggest as Dilfer did he's a top 3 pick, I'm not so sure about that. Great success in college doesn't guarantee anything in the NFL. His size and speed allowed him to be as effective a runner as he was a passer...that's not likely to happen in the NFL. Guess the big question about him is can he be disciplined enough to be an effective NFL QB. All the workouts in the world won't prove any of that...I want to see him against real NFL players.

Pretty much. You look at his rushing totals against the 2 best defenses he faced and it's 22 carries for 67 yards and 22 carries for 39 yards. In the NFL Mike Vick is the only quarterback that can consisantly beat you with his legs. 4.5 speed is pretty much what everybody runs.

That's not saying his size and speed won't make a difference, but for the most part it's going to be his size and speed extended the play so he could make a play with his arm. Ala Freeman, ala Big Ben and if he can't make plays with his arm he's going to be Vince Young part 2.

Thats really is not 100% the case...... you have a point.....

Teams changed the way they defended Auburn to keep Cam in the pocket.

Unlike Vick and Matt Jones.... Cam could burn teams with his arm...and he did...


No NFL team is going to try and defended Cam the way they did in college. NFL WRs will score Touch Downs if you dedicate that much of the Defense to SPY the QB.

To beat Auburn you only need to stop 1 man.


If Tim Tebow and Steve Young can get free in the NFL , So can Cam newton.


I dont think Cam is going to be Mike vick or Randel Cunningham.

I think he is going to be a 400 yard Guy like Steve Young.

Steve Young was FASTER then the defensive ends and linebackers going after him....

Cam newton is as well...but he is ALSO quicker then steve young.


I am an Auburn Die hard..... I think newton is worth a 1st round pick , I also dont think he should be starting next year or maybe the year after.


If ever you wanted to see a "year 2" from a college QB is Cam.

He was becoming a better and better passer week after week. To the point were he was starting to not just Find the wide open guy...but was actually starting to challenge defenses by putting the ball in smaller openings.

I love the guy...I would love to get him on the 49ers....but i can understand why people are hesitant because of his 1 year or RAW performance, even epic as it was....there was alot of room for improvement.

But in the end....draft choice are MADE to gamble with. There is no such thing as a sure thing.

You see teams stacking the box to stop Cam's rushing ability as a positive I see it as a negative. In the NFL they don't need to stack the box against Cam. Meaning instead of throwing consisantly into single coverage he's going to have to work like every other quarterback to get his guys open. That's something he has very little expierence at.

Here's the biggest problem I have with Cam. He had 1 game with 20 completions and 1 game with 30 attempts and he wasn't that impressive in that game either. Most of the season he was going 15-20. I don't think he has the reps as a passing quarterback. I'm not against taking him because of guys like Big Ben and Freeman, but I see a bigger growing curve than most Newton guys are willing to admit.

[ Edited by tjd808185 on Feb 13, 2011 at 12:42:04 ]

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
Way too much hype...it doesn't prove anything. Not saying Newton isn't an intruguing prospect, but to suggest as Dilfer did he's a top 3 pick, I'm not so sure about that. Great success in college doesn't guarantee anything in the NFL. His size and speed allowed him to be as effective a runner as he was a passer...that's not likely to happen in the NFL. Guess the big question about him is can he be disciplined enough to be an effective NFL QB. All the workouts in the world won't prove any of that...I want to see him against real NFL players.

Pretty much. You look at his rushing totals against the 2 best defenses he faced and it's 22 carries for 67 yards and 22 carries for 39 yards. In the NFL Mike Vick is the only quarterback that can consisantly beat you with his legs. 4.5 speed is pretty much what everybody runs.

That's not saying his size and speed won't make a difference, but for the most part it's going to be his size and speed extended the play so he could make a play with his arm. Ala Freeman, ala Big Ben and if he can't make plays with his arm he's going to be Vince Young part 2.

Thats really is not 100% the case...... you have a point.....

Teams changed the way they defended Auburn to keep Cam in the pocket.

Unlike Vick and Matt Jones.... Cam could burn teams with his arm...and he did...


No NFL team is going to try and defended Cam the way they did in college. NFL WRs will score Touch Downs if you dedicate that much of the Defense to SPY the QB.

To beat Auburn you only need to stop 1 man.


If Tim Tebow and Steve Young can get free in the NFL , So can Cam newton.


I dont think Cam is going to be Mike vick or Randel Cunningham.

I think he is going to be a 400 yard Guy like Steve Young.

Steve Young was FASTER then the defensive ends and linebackers going after him....

Cam newton is as well...but he is ALSO quicker then steve young.


I am an Auburn Die hard..... I think newton is worth a 1st round pick , I also dont think he should be starting next year or maybe the year after.


If ever you wanted to see a "year 2" from a college QB is Cam.

He was becoming a better and better passer week after week. To the point were he was starting to not just Find the wide open guy...but was actually starting to challenge defenses by putting the ball in smaller openings.

I love the guy...I would love to get him on the 49ers....but i can understand why people are hesitant because of his 1 year or RAW performance, even epic as it was....there was alot of room for improvement.

But in the end....draft choice are MADE to gamble with. There is no such thing as a sure thing.

You see teams stacking the box to stop Cam's rushing ability as a positive I see it as a negative. In the NFL they don't need to stack the box against Cam. Meaning instead of throwing consisantly into single coverage he's going to have to work like every other quarterback to get his guys open. That's something he has very little expierence at.

Here's the biggest problem I have with Cam. He had 1 game with 20 completions and 1 game with 30 attempts and he wasn't that impressive in that game either. Most of the season he was going 15-20. I don't think he has the reps as a passing quarterback. I'm not against taking him because of guys like Big Ben and Freeman, but I see a bigger growing curve than most Newton guys are willing to admit.

no one can make an argument against that


no one has ever needed a second year like cam


i love the guy , i am as deep in to auburn football as a fan can get...even made it to al borges coaching clinics........

cam newton needs coaching.....period.....


I think his head is on straight , i think he has and NFL mind and body

he is not ignorant like some people try to make him out to be.

I think he is coachable.


i dont think he is a starter in the near future.

Think of Cam running Harbaugh's version of the power running WCO in a couple years. He could (underline could) be pretty scary.

As for his running ability, I don't think it translates into big yardage as much as elusiveness and moving the chains on third downs. Also, Luck picked up big chunks of yardage running the ball a couple times a game last year at Stanford and I could see Cam doing the same.

[ Edited by ChaunceyGardner on Feb 13, 2011 at 14:08:49 ]

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by dlance:
The only thing Cam has been accused of is having a stolen computer. his father is accused of asking for money form Miss state. As far as I know nothing was ever proven. I have said all this before. Something happened and it had to do with cams recruiting if you want to think cam had blinder on and saw nothing knew nothing thats ok.

Originally posted by dlance:
I'm not sure what did or did not happen and i didn't think anything was proven. it was all here say. but something happen and it had everything to do with cam and his family but i guess cam has blinders on and doesnt know anything about what was going on around him.

Originally posted by dlance:
first off i'm not against Cam newton.but about last year's controversy. i don't know everything about it but i think cams father may or maynot have taken money for cam to play? so cams father took money and told cam what to do. then cam went along with what his father said. cam should take some of the blame he should have known something was up. it's simalar reggie bush family taking money. your right it was mostly on cams father but to say cam was tottaly in the dark i'm not going to buy that.

How exactly can you sit there and accuse Cam of having to know something about the pay for play scandal, or at least give off the impression that Cam had to know something when you yourself admitted to not knowing everything about the investigation and the controversy surrounding it. When you don't know everything about a situation it is kind of hard to be able to form a fair and honest opinion on said situation is it not ?

And for someone who doesn't know EVERYTHING about this, it wasn't just the NCAA who was involved in the investigation but the FBI was also involved in the investigation. It's not the end all be all of the matter but Cam was found innocent, and ultimately there is/was no proof that he did know about any of the scandal his father was involved with.

bro that title is going to be stripped from auburn in a couple years. you are incredibly naive if you actually believe that the ncaa or whoever else was going to turn up with anything for the star QB of the #1 team in the nation during the season.

USC was also investigated during their run. nothing turned up until magically a couple years later some other stuff came to light. if you believe that cam newton knew NOTHING about what his father was doing then I have swampland in Florida to sell you.

and this is to speak nothing of newton cheating multiple times on tests at florida and was going to possibly be expelled. he got out before they could do that because it would have hurt his eligibility elsewhere. he also had problems stealing someones laptop.

i know none of this matters in the nfl as far as his on field performance goes. but you know who else looked awesome on the field in college and at his pro day/combine? jamarcus russell. everyone says "he was lazy in college! he was out of shape!" are you f**king stupid? you think this wouldn't have come out at the time? mayock was really the only one who said drafting jamarcus was a mistake. everyone else was on his dick.

i'm not saying newton is guaranteed to be like jamarcus but the warning signs are there. now i will support any player who is officially a 49er, but up to that point i will not support drafting newton

The cheating (3 times allegedly) and stealing was 2 and a half years ago. I'm sure you never did or know anyone who ever did anything stupid when they were that age. As of right now Cam is innocent, has been proven innocent and will continue to be innocent unless something new is brought to light. Until then we can't continue to harp on what his Dad did and hold it against him. The combine, pro day and personal workouts won't show fans whether or not he he grown up and matured over the last 2 and a half year or not, but they will continue to confirm his elite skillset on the field.

And no not EVERYONE bought a ton of stock in the JR hype train, everybody knew he had the physical tools to be successful, but it was about finding out if he had the head and heart to be successful :

Merrill Hodge :

Quote:
"If you had to choose a quarterback, who would you pick, JaMarcus Russell or Brady Quinn? Both have strengths and glaring weaknesses. It goes down to which guy is most coachable. I might take Quinn for that reason. But, pure skill with a ton of work to do, it would be Russell. If you put a gun to my head, I would pick Russell. But he comes with a lot of risk."

Pete Prisco :

Quote:
"He has a cannon for an arm, can make all the throws and has great size. Heck, he looks like a tackle playing quarterback. I just don't see the pinpoint passing, the great timing of the throws or his feel for the pocket. He's careless with the ball, at times, and he struggled against the better college defenses. Can he develop into a quality NFL quarterback? You bet. Would I take him with the first overall pick? No way. As of now, I have him rated at the 20th-best player."

Mike Mayock :

Quote:
"This year, I can't get over how good and talented JaMarcus Russell is. It just blew me away. If I had the first, second, third, fourth, fifth pick in that draft, I would be tearing apart his personal life trying to figure out whether or not I could trust this kid with $10-million ... From a physical skill set perspective, I've never seen a college quarterback with more ability than Russell. You put the tape on and it's frightening. The only thing that's going to keep [Russell] from being great is him. What it comes down to is you've got to figure out whether or not this kid wants to be the best quarterback in football. If he wants to be the best quarterback in football, he can be."

This is about Cam not Jamarcus. They are 2 different prospects, the similarities between the 2 start at arm strength and end at them having the same color of skin. Everything in between is pretty much different.

At the end of the day he has all the tools to be worthy to go as high as #1, but like I mentioned earlier in this thread it will come down to what NFL teams will learn from Cam in the classroom and through interviews with him and those that know him (background checks).

He was never proven innocent, he was not proven guilty. If you steal my cookie and eat it, but I have no evidence to prove you ate it, it doesn't mean you didn't steal it. It just means I couldn't prove you stole it.

If you think Cam had nothing to do with his dad taking money then you're crazy. The decision on where to go to school is 100% Cam's to make. Sure, his parents might have a small amount of influence, but at his age, it's unlikely that he would go there because his dad suggested it.

Originally posted by pantstickle:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by dlance:
The only thing Cam has been accused of is having a stolen computer. his father is accused of asking for money form Miss state. As far as I know nothing was ever proven. I have said all this before. Something happened and it had to do with cams recruiting if you want to think cam had blinder on and saw nothing knew nothing thats ok.

Originally posted by dlance:
I'm not sure what did or did not happen and i didn't think anything was proven. it was all here say. but something happen and it had everything to do with cam and his family but i guess cam has blinders on and doesnt know anything about what was going on around him.

Originally posted by dlance:
first off i'm not against Cam newton.but about last year's controversy. i don't know everything about it but i think cams father may or maynot have taken money for cam to play? so cams father took money and told cam what to do. then cam went along with what his father said. cam should take some of the blame he should have known something was up. it's simalar reggie bush family taking money. your right it was mostly on cams father but to say cam was tottaly in the dark i'm not going to buy that.

How exactly can you sit there and accuse Cam of having to know something about the pay for play scandal, or at least give off the impression that Cam had to know something when you yourself admitted to not knowing everything about the investigation and the controversy surrounding it. When you don't know everything about a situation it is kind of hard to be able to form a fair and honest opinion on said situation is it not ?

And for someone who doesn't know EVERYTHING about this, it wasn't just the NCAA who was involved in the investigation but the FBI was also involved in the investigation. It's not the end all be all of the matter but Cam was found innocent, and ultimately there is/was no proof that he did know about any of the scandal his father was involved with.

bro that title is going to be stripped from auburn in a couple years. you are incredibly naive if you actually believe that the ncaa or whoever else was going to turn up with anything for the star QB of the #1 team in the nation during the season.

USC was also investigated during their run. nothing turned up until magically a couple years later some other stuff came to light. if you believe that cam newton knew NOTHING about what his father was doing then I have swampland in Florida to sell you.

and this is to speak nothing of newton cheating multiple times on tests at florida and was going to possibly be expelled. he got out before they could do that because it would have hurt his eligibility elsewhere. he also had problems stealing someones laptop.

i know none of this matters in the nfl as far as his on field performance goes. but you know who else looked awesome on the field in college and at his pro day/combine? jamarcus russell. everyone says "he was lazy in college! he was out of shape!" are you f**king stupid? you think this wouldn't have come out at the time? mayock was really the only one who said drafting jamarcus was a mistake. everyone else was on his dick.

i'm not saying newton is guaranteed to be like jamarcus but the warning signs are there. now i will support any player who is officially a 49er, but up to that point i will not support drafting newton

The cheating (3 times allegedly) and stealing was 2 and a half years ago. I'm sure you never did or know anyone who ever did anything stupid when they were that age. As of right now Cam is innocent, has been proven innocent and will continue to be innocent unless something new is brought to light. Until then we can't continue to harp on what his Dad did and hold it against him. The combine, pro day and personal workouts won't show fans whether or not he he grown up and matured over the last 2 and a half year or not, but they will continue to confirm his elite skillset on the field.

And no not EVERYONE bought a ton of stock in the JR hype train, everybody knew he had the physical tools to be successful, but it was about finding out if he had the head and heart to be successful :

Merrill Hodge :

Quote:
"If you had to choose a quarterback, who would you pick, JaMarcus Russell or Brady Quinn? Both have strengths and glaring weaknesses. It goes down to which guy is most coachable. I might take Quinn for that reason. But, pure skill with a ton of work to do, it would be Russell. If you put a gun to my head, I would pick Russell. But he comes with a lot of risk."

Pete Prisco :

Quote:
"He has a cannon for an arm, can make all the throws and has great size. Heck, he looks like a tackle playing quarterback. I just don't see the pinpoint passing, the great timing of the throws or his feel for the pocket. He's careless with the ball, at times, and he struggled against the better college defenses. Can he develop into a quality NFL quarterback? You bet. Would I take him with the first overall pick? No way. As of now, I have him rated at the 20th-best player."

Mike Mayock :

Quote:
"This year, I can't get over how good and talented JaMarcus Russell is. It just blew me away. If I had the first, second, third, fourth, fifth pick in that draft, I would be tearing apart his personal life trying to figure out whether or not I could trust this kid with $10-million ... From a physical skill set perspective, I've never seen a college quarterback with more ability than Russell. You put the tape on and it's frightening. The only thing that's going to keep [Russell] from being great is him. What it comes down to is you've got to figure out whether or not this kid wants to be the best quarterback in football. If he wants to be the best quarterback in football, he can be."

This is about Cam not Jamarcus. They are 2 different prospects, the similarities between the 2 start at arm strength and end at them having the same color of skin. Everything in between is pretty much different.

At the end of the day he has all the tools to be worthy to go as high as #1, but like I mentioned earlier in this thread it will come down to what NFL teams will learn from Cam in the classroom and through interviews with him and those that know him (background checks).

He was never proven innocent, he was not proven guilty. If you steal my cookie and eat it, but I have no evidence to prove you ate it, it doesn't mean you didn't steal it. It just means I couldn't prove you stole it.

If you think Cam had nothing to do with his dad taking money then you're crazy. The decision on where to go to school is 100% Cam's to make. Sure, his parents might have a small amount of influence, but at his age, it's unlikely that he would go there because his dad suggested it.

Thats why Cam chose Auburn while his dad wanted Miss State. If Cam knew about the play for pay he would have went to there instead for the money.

Originally posted by jimmy49erfan:

Originally posted by pantstickle:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by dlance:
The only thing Cam has been accused of is having a stolen computer. his father is accused of asking for money form Miss state. As far as I know nothing was ever proven. I have said all this before. Something happened and it had to do with cams recruiting if you want to think cam had blinder on and saw nothing knew nothing thats ok.

Originally posted by dlance:
I'm not sure what did or did not happen and i didn't think anything was proven. it was all here say. but something happen and it had everything to do with cam and his family but i guess cam has blinders on and doesnt know anything about what was going on around him.

Originally posted by dlance:
first off i'm not against Cam newton.but about last year's controversy. i don't know everything about it but i think cams father may or maynot have taken money for cam to play? so cams father took money and told cam what to do. then cam went along with what his father said. cam should take some of the blame he should have known something was up. it's simalar reggie bush family taking money. your right it was mostly on cams father but to say cam was tottaly in the dark i'm not going to buy that.

How exactly can you sit there and accuse Cam of having to know something about the pay for play scandal, or at least give off the impression that Cam had to know something when you yourself admitted to not knowing everything about the investigation and the controversy surrounding it. When you don't know everything about a situation it is kind of hard to be able to form a fair and honest opinion on said situation is it not ?

And for someone who doesn't know EVERYTHING about this, it wasn't just the NCAA who was involved in the investigation but the FBI was also involved in the investigation. It's not the end all be all of the matter but Cam was found innocent, and ultimately there is/was no proof that he did know about any of the scandal his father was involved with.

bro that title is going to be stripped from auburn in a couple years. you are incredibly naive if you actually believe that the ncaa or whoever else was going to turn up with anything for the star QB of the #1 team in the nation during the season.

USC was also investigated during their run. nothing turned up until magically a couple years later some other stuff came to light. if you believe that cam newton knew NOTHING about what his father was doing then I have swampland in Florida to sell you.

and this is to speak nothing of newton cheating multiple times on tests at florida and was going to possibly be expelled. he got out before they could do that because it would have hurt his eligibility elsewhere. he also had problems stealing someones laptop.

i know none of this matters in the nfl as far as his on field performance goes. but you know who else looked awesome on the field in college and at his pro day/combine? jamarcus russell. everyone says "he was lazy in college! he was out of shape!" are you f**king stupid? you think this wouldn't have come out at the time? mayock was really the only one who said drafting jamarcus was a mistake. everyone else was on his dick.

i'm not saying newton is guaranteed to be like jamarcus but the warning signs are there. now i will support any player who is officially a 49er, but up to that point i will not support drafting newton

The cheating (3 times allegedly) and stealing was 2 and a half years ago. I'm sure you never did or know anyone who ever did anything stupid when they were that age. As of right now Cam is innocent, has been proven innocent and will continue to be innocent unless something new is brought to light. Until then we can't continue to harp on what his Dad did and hold it against him. The combine, pro day and personal workouts won't show fans whether or not he he grown up and matured over the last 2 and a half year or not, but they will continue to confirm his elite skillset on the field.

And no not EVERYONE bought a ton of stock in the JR hype train, everybody knew he had the physical tools to be successful, but it was about finding out if he had the head and heart to be successful :

Merrill Hodge :

Quote:
"If you had to choose a quarterback, who would you pick, JaMarcus Russell or Brady Quinn? Both have strengths and glaring weaknesses. It goes down to which guy is most coachable. I might take Quinn for that reason. But, pure skill with a ton of work to do, it would be Russell. If you put a gun to my head, I would pick Russell. But he comes with a lot of risk."

Pete Prisco :

Quote:
"He has a cannon for an arm, can make all the throws and has great size. Heck, he looks like a tackle playing quarterback. I just don't see the pinpoint passing, the great timing of the throws or his feel for the pocket. He's careless with the ball, at times, and he struggled against the better college defenses. Can he develop into a quality NFL quarterback? You bet. Would I take him with the first overall pick? No way. As of now, I have him rated at the 20th-best player."

Mike Mayock :

Quote:
"This year, I can't get over how good and talented JaMarcus Russell is. It just blew me away. If I had the first, second, third, fourth, fifth pick in that draft, I would be tearing apart his personal life trying to figure out whether or not I could trust this kid with $10-million ... From a physical skill set perspective, I've never seen a college quarterback with more ability than Russell. You put the tape on and it's frightening. The only thing that's going to keep [Russell] from being great is him. What it comes down to is you've got to figure out whether or not this kid wants to be the best quarterback in football. If he wants to be the best quarterback in football, he can be."

This is about Cam not Jamarcus. They are 2 different prospects, the similarities between the 2 start at arm strength and end at them having the same color of skin. Everything in between is pretty much different.

At the end of the day he has all the tools to be worthy to go as high as #1, but like I mentioned earlier in this thread it will come down to what NFL teams will learn from Cam in the classroom and through interviews with him and those that know him (background checks).

He was never proven innocent, he was not proven guilty. If you steal my cookie and eat it, but I have no evidence to prove you ate it, it doesn't mean you didn't steal it. It just means I couldn't prove you stole it.

If you think Cam had nothing to do with his dad taking money then you're crazy. The decision on where to go to school is 100% Cam's to make. Sure, his parents might have a small amount of influence, but at his age, it's unlikely that he would go there because his dad suggested it.

Thats why Cam chose Auburn while his dad wanted Miss State. If Cam knew about the play for pay he would have went to there instead for the money.

How do you know he didn't pick Auburn because they paid as well?

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by jimmy49erfan:

Originally posted by pantstickle:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by dlance:
The only thing Cam has been accused of is having a stolen computer. his father is accused of asking for money form Miss state. As far as I know nothing was ever proven. I have said all this before. Something happened and it had to do with cams recruiting if you want to think cam had blinder on and saw nothing knew nothing thats ok.

Originally posted by dlance:
I'm not sure what did or did not happen and i didn't think anything was proven. it was all here say. but something happen and it had everything to do with cam and his family but i guess cam has blinders on and doesnt know anything about what was going on around him.

Originally posted by dlance:
first off i'm not against Cam newton.but about last year's controversy. i don't know everything about it but i think cams father may or maynot have taken money for cam to play? so cams father took money and told cam what to do. then cam went along with what his father said. cam should take some of the blame he should have known something was up. it's simalar reggie bush family taking money. your right it was mostly on cams father but to say cam was tottaly in the dark i'm not going to buy that.

How exactly can you sit there and accuse Cam of having to know something about the pay for play scandal, or at least give off the impression that Cam had to know something when you yourself admitted to not knowing everything about the investigation and the controversy surrounding it. When you don't know everything about a situation it is kind of hard to be able to form a fair and honest opinion on said situation is it not ?

And for someone who doesn't know EVERYTHING about this, it wasn't just the NCAA who was involved in the investigation but the FBI was also involved in the investigation. It's not the end all be all of the matter but Cam was found innocent, and ultimately there is/was no proof that he did know about any of the scandal his father was involved with.

bro that title is going to be stripped from auburn in a couple years. you are incredibly naive if you actually believe that the ncaa or whoever else was going to turn up with anything for the star QB of the #1 team in the nation during the season.

USC was also investigated during their run. nothing turned up until magically a couple years later some other stuff came to light. if you believe that cam newton knew NOTHING about what his father was doing then I have swampland in Florida to sell you.

and this is to speak nothing of newton cheating multiple times on tests at florida and was going to possibly be expelled. he got out before they could do that because it would have hurt his eligibility elsewhere. he also had problems stealing someones laptop.

i know none of this matters in the nfl as far as his on field performance goes. but you know who else looked awesome on the field in college and at his pro day/combine? jamarcus russell. everyone says "he was lazy in college! he was out of shape!" are you f**king stupid? you think this wouldn't have come out at the time? mayock was really the only one who said drafting jamarcus was a mistake. everyone else was on his dick.

i'm not saying newton is guaranteed to be like jamarcus but the warning signs are there. now i will support any player who is officially a 49er, but up to that point i will not support drafting newton

The cheating (3 times allegedly) and stealing was 2 and a half years ago. I'm sure you never did or know anyone who ever did anything stupid when they were that age. As of right now Cam is innocent, has been proven innocent and will continue to be innocent unless something new is brought to light. Until then we can't continue to harp on what his Dad did and hold it against him. The combine, pro day and personal workouts won't show fans whether or not he he grown up and matured over the last 2 and a half year or not, but they will continue to confirm his elite skillset on the field.

And no not EVERYONE bought a ton of stock in the JR hype train, everybody knew he had the physical tools to be successful, but it was about finding out if he had the head and heart to be successful :

Merrill Hodge :

Quote:
"If you had to choose a quarterback, who would you pick, JaMarcus Russell or Brady Quinn? Both have strengths and glaring weaknesses. It goes down to which guy is most coachable. I might take Quinn for that reason. But, pure skill with a ton of work to do, it would be Russell. If you put a gun to my head, I would pick Russell. But he comes with a lot of risk."

Pete Prisco :

Quote:
"He has a cannon for an arm, can make all the throws and has great size. Heck, he looks like a tackle playing quarterback. I just don't see the pinpoint passing, the great timing of the throws or his feel for the pocket. He's careless with the ball, at times, and he struggled against the better college defenses. Can he develop into a quality NFL quarterback? You bet. Would I take him with the first overall pick? No way. As of now, I have him rated at the 20th-best player."

Mike Mayock :

Quote:
"This year, I can't get over how good and talented JaMarcus Russell is. It just blew me away. If I had the first, second, third, fourth, fifth pick in that draft, I would be tearing apart his personal life trying to figure out whether or not I could trust this kid with $10-million ... From a physical skill set perspective, I've never seen a college quarterback with more ability than Russell. You put the tape on and it's frightening. The only thing that's going to keep [Russell] from being great is him. What it comes down to is you've got to figure out whether or not this kid wants to be the best quarterback in football. If he wants to be the best quarterback in football, he can be."

This is about Cam not Jamarcus. They are 2 different prospects, the similarities between the 2 start at arm strength and end at them having the same color of skin. Everything in between is pretty much different.

At the end of the day he has all the tools to be worthy to go as high as #1, but like I mentioned earlier in this thread it will come down to what NFL teams will learn from Cam in the classroom and through interviews with him and those that know him (background checks).

He was never proven innocent, he was not proven guilty. If you steal my cookie and eat it, but I have no evidence to prove you ate it, it doesn't mean you didn't steal it. It just means I couldn't prove you stole it.

If you think Cam had nothing to do with his dad taking money then you're crazy. The decision on where to go to school is 100% Cam's to make. Sure, his parents might have a small amount of influence, but at his age, it's unlikely that he would go there because his dad suggested it.

Thats why Cam chose Auburn while his dad wanted Miss State. If Cam knew about the play for pay he would have went to there instead for the money.

How do you know he didn't pick Auburn because they paid as well?

How do we know that anyone who went to any college didn't get paid?

NFL teams will ask Cam about this, and analyze what he says or how he says it. The investigation didn't show he knew, the whistle-blower mentioned his dad - but not Cam. Now, 2 years down the road if he is found involved, then one can say that he was guilty. Till he is proven guilty, he is innocent.

Every father-son relationship is different, and we can't assume that he knew what his father was up-to.

Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by jimmy49erfan:

Originally posted by pantstickle:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by dlance:
The only thing Cam has been accused of is having a stolen computer. his father is accused of asking for money form Miss state. As far as I know nothing was ever proven. I have said all this before. Something happened and it had to do with cams recruiting if you want to think cam had blinder on and saw nothing knew nothing thats ok.

Originally posted by dlance:
I'm not sure what did or did not happen and i didn't think anything was proven. it was all here say. but something happen and it had everything to do with cam and his family but i guess cam has blinders on and doesnt know anything about what was going on around him.

Originally posted by dlance:
first off i'm not against Cam newton.but about last year's controversy. i don't know everything about it but i think cams father may or maynot have taken money for cam to play? so cams father took money and told cam what to do. then cam went along with what his father said. cam should take some of the blame he should have known something was up. it's simalar reggie bush family taking money. your right it was mostly on cams father but to say cam was tottaly in the dark i'm not going to buy that.

How exactly can you sit there and accuse Cam of having to know something about the pay for play scandal, or at least give off the impression that Cam had to know something when you yourself admitted to not knowing everything about the investigation and the controversy surrounding it. When you don't know everything about a situation it is kind of hard to be able to form a fair and honest opinion on said situation is it not ?

And for someone who doesn't know EVERYTHING about this, it wasn't just the NCAA who was involved in the investigation but the FBI was also involved in the investigation. It's not the end all be all of the matter but Cam was found innocent, and ultimately there is/was no proof that he did know about any of the scandal his father was involved with.

bro that title is going to be stripped from auburn in a couple years. you are incredibly naive if you actually believe that the ncaa or whoever else was going to turn up with anything for the star QB of the #1 team in the nation during the season.

USC was also investigated during their run. nothing turned up until magically a couple years later some other stuff came to light. if you believe that cam newton knew NOTHING about what his father was doing then I have swampland in Florida to sell you.

and this is to speak nothing of newton cheating multiple times on tests at florida and was going to possibly be expelled. he got out before they could do that because it would have hurt his eligibility elsewhere. he also had problems stealing someones laptop.

i know none of this matters in the nfl as far as his on field performance goes. but you know who else looked awesome on the field in college and at his pro day/combine? jamarcus russell. everyone says "he was lazy in college! he was out of shape!" are you f**king stupid? you think this wouldn't have come out at the time? mayock was really the only one who said drafting jamarcus was a mistake. everyone else was on his dick.

i'm not saying newton is guaranteed to be like jamarcus but the warning signs are there. now i will support any player who is officially a 49er, but up to that point i will not support drafting newton

The cheating (3 times allegedly) and stealing was 2 and a half years ago. I'm sure you never did or know anyone who ever did anything stupid when they were that age. As of right now Cam is innocent, has been proven innocent and will continue to be innocent unless something new is brought to light. Until then we can't continue to harp on what his Dad did and hold it against him. The combine, pro day and personal workouts won't show fans whether or not he he grown up and matured over the last 2 and a half year or not, but they will continue to confirm his elite skillset on the field.

And no not EVERYONE bought a ton of stock in the JR hype train, everybody knew he had the physical tools to be successful, but it was about finding out if he had the head and heart to be successful :

Merrill Hodge :

Quote:
"If you had to choose a quarterback, who would you pick, JaMarcus Russell or Brady Quinn? Both have strengths and glaring weaknesses. It goes down to which guy is most coachable. I might take Quinn for that reason. But, pure skill with a ton of work to do, it would be Russell. If you put a gun to my head, I would pick Russell. But he comes with a lot of risk."

Pete Prisco :

Quote:
"He has a cannon for an arm, can make all the throws and has great size. Heck, he looks like a tackle playing quarterback. I just don't see the pinpoint passing, the great timing of the throws or his feel for the pocket. He's careless with the ball, at times, and he struggled against the better college defenses. Can he develop into a quality NFL quarterback? You bet. Would I take him with the first overall pick? No way. As of now, I have him rated at the 20th-best player."

Mike Mayock :

Quote:
"This year, I can't get over how good and talented JaMarcus Russell is. It just blew me away. If I had the first, second, third, fourth, fifth pick in that draft, I would be tearing apart his personal life trying to figure out whether or not I could trust this kid with $10-million ... From a physical skill set perspective, I've never seen a college quarterback with more ability than Russell. You put the tape on and it's frightening. The only thing that's going to keep [Russell] from being great is him. What it comes down to is you've got to figure out whether or not this kid wants to be the best quarterback in football. If he wants to be the best quarterback in football, he can be."

This is about Cam not Jamarcus. They are 2 different prospects, the similarities between the 2 start at arm strength and end at them having the same color of skin. Everything in between is pretty much different.

At the end of the day he has all the tools to be worthy to go as high as #1, but like I mentioned earlier in this thread it will come down to what NFL teams will learn from Cam in the classroom and through interviews with him and those that know him (background checks).

He was never proven innocent, he was not proven guilty. If you steal my cookie and eat it, but I have no evidence to prove you ate it, it doesn't mean you didn't steal it. It just means I couldn't prove you stole it.

If you think Cam had nothing to do with his dad taking money then you're crazy. The decision on where to go to school is 100% Cam's to make. Sure, his parents might have a small amount of influence, but at his age, it's unlikely that he would go there because his dad suggested it.

Thats why Cam chose Auburn while his dad wanted Miss State. If Cam knew about the play for pay he would have went to there instead for the money.

How do you know he didn't pick Auburn because they paid as well?

How do we know that anyone who went to any college didn't get paid?

NFL teams will ask Cam about this, and analyze what he says or how he says it. The investigation didn't show he knew, the whistle-blower mentioned his dad - but not Cam. Now, 2 years down the road if he is found involved, then one can say that he was guilty. Till he is proven guilty, he is innocent.

Every father-son relationship is different, and we can't assume that he knew what his father was up-to.

And we can't assume that he didn't know either. College players get paid all the time, who cares about that. I know college players who would find cash in their cleats, and they are good guys who didn't say anything except it scratched up their foot for a whole practice until they had figured out what it was that was scratching them.

I am more concerned about how he was stupid enough to get caught cheating in such a retard manner at Florida. And did Cam commit academic fraud at Auburn? And if he did was it because he spent all his time at the practice facilities trying to get better as a QB, or with the wrong crowd.

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by jimmy49erfan:

Originally posted by pantstickle:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by dlance:
The only thing Cam has been accused of is having a stolen computer. his father is accused of asking for money form Miss state. As far as I know nothing was ever proven. I have said all this before. Something happened and it had to do with cams recruiting if you want to think cam had blinder on and saw nothing knew nothing thats ok.

Originally posted by dlance:
I'm not sure what did or did not happen and i didn't think anything was proven. it was all here say. but something happen and it had everything to do with cam and his family but i guess cam has blinders on and doesnt know anything about what was going on around him.

Originally posted by dlance:
first off i'm not against Cam newton.but about last year's controversy. i don't know everything about it but i think cams father may or maynot have taken money for cam to play? so cams father took money and told cam what to do. then cam went along with what his father said. cam should take some of the blame he should have known something was up. it's simalar reggie bush family taking money. your right it was mostly on cams father but to say cam was tottaly in the dark i'm not going to buy that.

How exactly can you sit there and accuse Cam of having to know something about the pay for play scandal, or at least give off the impression that Cam had to know something when you yourself admitted to not knowing everything about the investigation and the controversy surrounding it. When you don't know everything about a situation it is kind of hard to be able to form a fair and honest opinion on said situation is it not ?

And for someone who doesn't know EVERYTHING about this, it wasn't just the NCAA who was involved in the investigation but the FBI was also involved in the investigation. It's not the end all be all of the matter but Cam was found innocent, and ultimately there is/was no proof that he did know about any of the scandal his father was involved with.

bro that title is going to be stripped from auburn in a couple years. you are incredibly naive if you actually believe that the ncaa or whoever else was going to turn up with anything for the star QB of the #1 team in the nation during the season.

USC was also investigated during their run. nothing turned up until magically a couple years later some other stuff came to light. if you believe that cam newton knew NOTHING about what his father was doing then I have swampland in Florida to sell you.

and this is to speak nothing of newton cheating multiple times on tests at florida and was going to possibly be expelled. he got out before they could do that because it would have hurt his eligibility elsewhere. he also had problems stealing someones laptop.

i know none of this matters in the nfl as far as his on field performance goes. but you know who else looked awesome on the field in college and at his pro day/combine? jamarcus russell. everyone says "he was lazy in college! he was out of shape!" are you f**king stupid? you think this wouldn't have come out at the time? mayock was really the only one who said drafting jamarcus was a mistake. everyone else was on his dick.

i'm not saying newton is guaranteed to be like jamarcus but the warning signs are there. now i will support any player who is officially a 49er, but up to that point i will not support drafting newton

The cheating (3 times allegedly) and stealing was 2 and a half years ago. I'm sure you never did or know anyone who ever did anything stupid when they were that age. As of right now Cam is innocent, has been proven innocent and will continue to be innocent unless something new is brought to light. Until then we can't continue to harp on what his Dad did and hold it against him. The combine, pro day and personal workouts won't show fans whether or not he he grown up and matured over the last 2 and a half year or not, but they will continue to confirm his elite skillset on the field.

And no not EVERYONE bought a ton of stock in the JR hype train, everybody knew he had the physical tools to be successful, but it was about finding out if he had the head and heart to be successful :

Merrill Hodge :

Quote:
"If you had to choose a quarterback, who would you pick, JaMarcus Russell or Brady Quinn? Both have strengths and glaring weaknesses. It goes down to which guy is most coachable. I might take Quinn for that reason. But, pure skill with a ton of work to do, it would be Russell. If you put a gun to my head, I would pick Russell. But he comes with a lot of risk."

Pete Prisco :

Quote:
"He has a cannon for an arm, can make all the throws and has great size. Heck, he looks like a tackle playing quarterback. I just don't see the pinpoint passing, the great timing of the throws or his feel for the pocket. He's careless with the ball, at times, and he struggled against the better college defenses. Can he develop into a quality NFL quarterback? You bet. Would I take him with the first overall pick? No way. As of now, I have him rated at the 20th-best player."

Mike Mayock :

Quote:
"This year, I can't get over how good and talented JaMarcus Russell is. It just blew me away. If I had the first, second, third, fourth, fifth pick in that draft, I would be tearing apart his personal life trying to figure out whether or not I could trust this kid with $10-million ... From a physical skill set perspective, I've never seen a college quarterback with more ability than Russell. You put the tape on and it's frightening. The only thing that's going to keep [Russell] from being great is him. What it comes down to is you've got to figure out whether or not this kid wants to be the best quarterback in football. If he wants to be the best quarterback in football, he can be."

This is about Cam not Jamarcus. They are 2 different prospects, the similarities between the 2 start at arm strength and end at them having the same color of skin. Everything in between is pretty much different.

At the end of the day he has all the tools to be worthy to go as high as #1, but like I mentioned earlier in this thread it will come down to what NFL teams will learn from Cam in the classroom and through interviews with him and those that know him (background checks).

He was never proven innocent, he was not proven guilty. If you steal my cookie and eat it, but I have no evidence to prove you ate it, it doesn't mean you didn't steal it. It just means I couldn't prove you stole it.

If you think Cam had nothing to do with his dad taking money then you're crazy. The decision on where to go to school is 100% Cam's to make. Sure, his parents might have a small amount of influence, but at his age, it's unlikely that he would go there because his dad suggested it.

Thats why Cam chose Auburn while his dad wanted Miss State. If Cam knew about the play for pay he would have went to there instead for the money.

How do you know he didn't pick Auburn because they paid as well?

The NCAA and FBI prostate exam they got says so. They would have caught and punished them severely if they were guilty. They really dont go half assed after these kind of things. Too many schools and players have tried and failed.




Blizz if you can dl the Auburn vs Alabama game. Your mind will change some after watching that game. 1 of the best football games ive ever seen.

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by NC49erfan82:

Originally posted by wailers15:

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by teeohh:

Lol that actually looks pretty sick.

Looks pretyy gay!

looks like another below 500 season to me

Pfft, biased opinion, Mr.Bama fan.

lol we should have killed them. That was a horrible loss to live with. I knew Bama was gonna beat them coming in that game and by the end of the first half I thought we had it in the bag. Those two deep throws that Cam got us with though in my mind would have been picked off in the NFL. I think it was Barron that got picked on that game.

Cam is so big that I think even as a shaky passer he could win games early in his career, as Ben and VY did.

If he's confused by a coverage or doesn't like what he sees, he can simply tuck the ball and run. He has the athleticism to continue moving the offense down the field when things aren't open in the passing game.

He'd play like a rook when it comes to reading defenses and passing, but his scrambling would have defenses concerned from day 1.

I don't think Cam is a top skilled passer yet, and I don't know if he'll ever be one, but there is one thing for sure. If we add Cam as a QB, we are adding a weapon on offense. Nobody fears Alex Smith, but even as a rookie, Cam's athleticism will cause problems for defenses.

My list goes like this (of people who could potentially be there)

Patrick Peterson
Von Miller
Robert Quinn
AJ Green
Prince Amukamara
Cam Newton

Originally posted by Syxton:
I don't think Cam is a top skilled passer yet, and I don't know if he'll ever be one, but there is one thing for sure. If we add Cam as a QB, we are adding a weapon on offense. Nobody fears Alex Smith, but even as a rookie, Cam's athleticism will cause problems for defenses.

My list goes like this (of people who could potentially be there)

Patrick Peterson
Von Miller
Robert Quinn
AJ Green
Prince Amukamara
Cam Newton

I agree but this is my order:

Peterson
Green
Amukamara
Quin
Miller (think he is a little overated)
Newton

Originally posted by NC49erfan82:

Originally posted by Syxton:
I don't think Cam is a top skilled passer yet, and I don't know if he'll ever be one, but there is one thing for sure. If we add Cam as a QB, we are adding a weapon on offense. Nobody fears Alex Smith, but even as a rookie, Cam's athleticism will cause problems for defenses.

My list goes like this (of people who could potentially be there)

Patrick Peterson
Von Miller
Robert Quinn
AJ Green
Prince Amukamara
Cam Newton

I agree but this is my order:

Peterson
Green
Amukamara
Quin
Miller (think he is a little overated)
Newton

Peterson
Fairly
Quinn
Newton
Green
Dareus
Miller (not ideal for 3-4)

Originally posted by NC49erfan82:

Originally posted by Syxton:
I don't think Cam is a top skilled passer yet, and I don't know if he'll ever be one, but there is one thing for sure. If we add Cam as a QB, we are adding a weapon on offense. Nobody fears Alex Smith, but even as a rookie, Cam's athleticism will cause problems for defenses.

My list goes like this (of people who could potentially be there)

Patrick Peterson
Von Miller
Robert Quinn
AJ Green
Prince Amukamara
Cam Newton

I agree but this is my order:

Peterson
Green
Amukamara
Quin
Miller (think he is a little overated)
Newton

Quinn
Peterson
Newton
Green
Miller
Amukamarra