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Originally posted by blizzuntz:Originally posted by GEEK:
I think people doubt him because the majority - if not all - of black QBs taken in the first round have been busts since 2000. It's surely not justification or basis to put a knock on his skills, but analysts and fans have a tendency to compare players to other players of the same race.[/]
Tim Tebow was doubted even more and is white
Originally posted by Jcool:
I do agree with most people who said his workout tells us nothing new and doesn't show us he will be a good pro or not, but he will be a top 3 pick because he is the most gifted QB probably to ever come out of college (not that it means he will be successful) He is a leader and physically gifted but he has to show he can lean a pro style offense, which we wont know for at lest two years.
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He looked the part according to reports, threw the ball like a pro QB and got the post workout reaction he wanted--complete with the extra hype. But that wasn't an NFL workout. Newton's workout in front of the media isn't going to impact his draft stock. There wasn't the real stress and pressure involved that Newton will eventually see at the Combine or at a standard pro day on campus. That is when we discover how prospects respond when the entire league is watching their technique, footwork, conditioning, strength, etc. All Newton did yesterday was look good in front of the cameras, and the league scouts I talked to aren’t buying it. One scout I spoke with on Thursday said that the entire workout “doesn’t make sense” and nothing that happened will impact how he grades out Newton leading up to the draft. Another scout even laughed at the entire idea—calling it a “publicity stunt.”
Originally posted by WillistheWall:Originally posted by Atl49er:Originally posted by wailers15:Originally posted by Atl49er:Originally posted by wailers15:Originally posted by Atl49er:
Damn it!!! Now we may have to move up to get Cam! IDK why all these people on here are hating on Cam, as Trent Dilfer just reported, there aren't many people in the World that can throw the ball like Cam did today!
who the f**k cares how you throw a football. f**k my cousin can chuck it with a beautiful spiral 60 yards with ease, he can't play worht a lick. Dude Kyle boller from a knee at the 50 yard line perfect spiral through the goal posts, jamarcus russell easily throws a 70 yarder money. they all suck. f**k Trent Dilfer wtf does he know?
Oh Great..You're prob a guy that is dieing for us to keep Alex Smith...to huh?!?! LOL!
My bad, I forgot you played in the NFL and worked for ESPN longer than Trent Dilfer..that makes you an expert..right! Get a clue...everybody is harping on us to take a db, or a pash rusher...HELLO, we have one QB under contract and JH has already stated that QB is the most important position on the field.
I can't wait until we take Cam and listen to Trent and JH gush over his talents!!
seriously? lol. one not high on alex smith but i'd have him as a BACKUP, and that's it. that makes the most sense. We can get a Vet QB in FA and draft a qb in the later rounds.
sorry but trent dilfer's mouth piece and history speaks loudly for himself. He was in awe of Jimmy Clausen, He said he was hands down the best QB in that draft being pro ready and able to come in and start right away. How did that work out for him? Colt McCoy had by far the better yr. Siad the same thing about Josh Freeman and ALEX SMITH!!!!!!!
Dude you need to get a clue. no need to wet the paper and draft a QB with our first pick. there are other qb's who have a btter football iq (reading coverages, plays etc) so why spend that first pick on a qb. Newton is not a franchise QB or he goes #1 to Carolina. Fact.
We need help on Defense, and sorry but the CB's & OLB/DE's that are projected to be around will and would help us out asap. not a rookie qb to come in and learn a new system as well as the nfl. come on man.
So hello yes we have only 1 qb under contract so why are qwe wetting the bed. we resign one of the smith's as a backup, hit the trade market or free agency.
Josh Johnson comes to mind. he didn't do to bad 2 years ago. he's a harbaugh guy.
No offense Dude...but thank God you are not the GM for this team! Are you not tired of being stuck in mediocrity..excuse me...SUCKING?!?!? Alex Smith never needs to wear SF on his helmet again #1... back up or not. And your idea to draft another back-up (Josh J or a 3rd round Qb) for our team does not help either!
I'm not basing my opinion of Cam on Trent Dilfer..just merely stating that he was blown away by his film study of Cam and first hand witness of the workout. What impresses me about Cam more than anything else...is the fact I've watched him all year long and he is a born leader that makes everyone around him better!
How many players can say that they have won a Championship at EVERY LEVEL they have competed....high school, Jr. College and D-1 College!?! Can you name another one...?
Say what you want, try and compare him to all the other athletic Qb's with big arms..but the truth of the matter is..there is no comparison!
Oh god, it's Cam's high school coach. Say hi guys!
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Apologies, if posted... $cam newton = PUKE
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He looked the part according to reports, threw the ball like a pro QB and got the post workout reaction he wanted--complete with the extra hype. But that wasn't an NFL workout. Newton's workout in front of the media isn't going to impact his draft stock. There wasn't the real stress and pressure involved that Newton will eventually see at the Combine or at a standard pro day on campus. That is when we discover how prospects respond when the entire league is watching their technique, footwork, conditioning, strength, etc. All Newton did yesterday was look good in front of the cameras, and the league scouts I talked to aren’t buying it. One scout I spoke with on Thursday said that the entire workout “doesn’t make sense” and nothing that happened will impact how he grades out Newton leading up to the draft. Another scout even laughed at the entire idea—calling it a “publicity stunt.”
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Dont-buy-the-Cam-Newton-hype-just-yet.html
Originally posted by KRS-1:Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:Originally posted by ninerlifer:Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Some pretty good deep throw in the 2nd video. Not bad, he has good touch on the deep throws.
Well yeah where have you been? He has consistently shown this at Auburn 4ML!!!!!!
Making every NFL throw is not a problem for this kid.
Yea...just a general reply to people who were saying that his workout was ehhh.
There are a couple replies in this thread where people basically throw this workout out, because it's in shorts or because he wasn't breaking down film or the like. Funny because I'd bet those same people would praise some of the other prospects not named Cam for a workout like he had.
A lot of the hate is directed at him because he is likened to Vick,VY and Russell and people are automatically assuming once likened that there is too great a chance he will bust. The reality is he has some similar attributes, but he is Cam Newton not Michael Vick, Vince Young or Jamarcus Russell and needs to be evaluated a such.
I expect his combine and pro day workouts to likely be similar to this one in the sense that he will look pretty damn good and confirm he has all the physical traits to be great. Leaked reports will likely be most telling (in regards to his interviews with teams and how he does on the whitewash board etc) but true or not people will make a MUCH bigger deal about any of the negative ones that the positive.
It's really unfortunate that with a lack of true fact to support he is a definite character concern going to the next level (we don't know if he is still the same immature kid he was at Florida) that he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt in the meantime and everyone is looking for reasons to chop him and his stock down.
The reality is that all we do know is he is a top 10 pick on paper at the moment, maybe top 5 and even possibly has the greatest upside of any prospect in this class and those who don't want him at 7 right now have their blinders on.
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:Originally posted by KRS-1:Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:Originally posted by ninerlifer:Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Some pretty good deep throw in the 2nd video. Not bad, he has good touch on the deep throws.
Well yeah where have you been? He has consistently shown this at Auburn 4ML!!!!!!
Making every NFL throw is not a problem for this kid.
Yea...just a general reply to people who were saying that his workout was ehhh.
There are a couple replies in this thread where people basically throw this workout out, because it's in shorts or because he wasn't breaking down film or the like. Funny because I'd bet those same people would praise some of the other prospects not named Cam for a workout like he had.
A lot of the hate is directed at him because he is likened to Vick,VY and Russell and people are automatically assuming once likened that there is too great a chance he will bust. The reality is he has some similar attributes, but he is Cam Newton not Michael Vick, Vince Young or Jamarcus Russell and needs to be evaluated a such.
I expect his combine and pro day workouts to likely be similar to this one in the sense that he will look pretty damn good and confirm he has all the physical traits to be great. Leaked reports will likely be most telling (in regards to his interviews with teams and how he does on the whitewash board etc) but true or not people will make a MUCH bigger deal about any of the negative ones that the positive.
It's really unfortunate that with a lack of true fact to support he is a definite character concern going to the next level (we don't know if he is still the same immature kid he was at Florida) that he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt in the meantime and everyone is looking for reasons to chop him and his stock down.
The reality is that all we do know is he is a top 10 pick on paper at the moment, maybe top 5 and even possibly has the greatest upside of any prospect in this class and those who don't want him at 7 right now have their blinders on.
Completely in agreement here. Florida was so long ago, but there will be a concern - and yes, he will need to be honest and sincere in the interviews.
To me, it is very impressive that how far he has come along from his time in Florida.
I wasn't even a fan of his till half way point in the season, and the way he handled the controversy, the way he led his team in the 2nd half - had me very intrigued about the guy. He came off as a true leader, and led his team all the way to a championship. Any way you look at it, it was one of the most impressive seasons any QB has had considering what went down in the middle of the season.
...the fact that he is so raw, and yet still so good and has shown great ability to improve on the fly - to me he is easily the best QB available.
I disagree with people who say that he will have to sit on the bench for 2 years. He will ready by next September. If he performs well at combine (incl. interviews) and pro-day workouts - I don't see him gettin' by Cincy.
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:Originally posted by oldman9er:
Apologies, if posted... $cam newton = PUKE
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He looked the part according to reports, threw the ball like a pro QB and got the post workout reaction he wanted--complete with the extra hype. But that wasn't an NFL workout. Newton's workout in front of the media isn't going to impact his draft stock. There wasn't the real stress and pressure involved that Newton will eventually see at the Combine or at a standard pro day on campus. That is when we discover how prospects respond when the entire league is watching their technique, footwork, conditioning, strength, etc. All Newton did yesterday was look good in front of the cameras, and the league scouts I talked to aren’t buying it. One scout I spoke with on Thursday said that the entire workout “doesn’t make sense” and nothing that happened will impact how he grades out Newton leading up to the draft. Another scout even laughed at the entire idea—calling it a “publicity stunt.”
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Dont-buy-the-Cam-Newton-hype-just-yet.html
Originally posted by wailers15:
Mel kiper is like a lobbyist. I don't look to much into what he says.
Originally posted by KRS-1:Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:Originally posted by KRS-1:Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:Originally posted by ninerlifer:Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Some pretty good deep throw in the 2nd video. Not bad, he has good touch on the deep throws.
Well yeah where have you been? He has consistently shown this at Auburn 4ML!!!!!!
Making every NFL throw is not a problem for this kid.
Yea...just a general reply to people who were saying that his workout was ehhh.
There are a couple replies in this thread where people basically throw this workout out, because it's in shorts or because he wasn't breaking down film or the like. Funny because I'd bet those same people would praise some of the other prospects not named Cam for a workout like he had.
A lot of the hate is directed at him because he is likened to Vick,VY and Russell and people are automatically assuming once likened that there is too great a chance he will bust. The reality is he has some similar attributes, but he is Cam Newton not Michael Vick, Vince Young or Jamarcus Russell and needs to be evaluated a such.
I expect his combine and pro day workouts to likely be similar to this one in the sense that he will look pretty damn good and confirm he has all the physical traits to be great. Leaked reports will likely be most telling (in regards to his interviews with teams and how he does on the whitewash board etc) but true or not people will make a MUCH bigger deal about any of the negative ones that the positive.
It's really unfortunate that with a lack of true fact to support he is a definite character concern going to the next level (we don't know if he is still the same immature kid he was at Florida) that he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt in the meantime and everyone is looking for reasons to chop him and his stock down.
The reality is that all we do know is he is a top 10 pick on paper at the moment, maybe top 5 and even possibly has the greatest upside of any prospect in this class and those who don't want him at 7 right now have their blinders on.
Completely in agreement here. Florida was so long ago, but there will be a concern - and yes, he will need to be honest and sincere in the interviews.
To me, it is very impressive that how far he has come along from his time in Florida.
I wasn't even a fan of his till half way point in the season, and the way he handled the controversy, the way he led his team in the 2nd half - had me very intrigued about the guy. He came off as a true leader, and led his team all the way to a championship. Any way you look at it, it was one of the most impressive seasons any QB has had considering what went down in the middle of the season.
...the fact that he is so raw, and yet still so good and has shown great ability to improve on the fly - to me he is easily the best QB available.
I disagree with people who say that he will have to sit on the bench for 2 years. He will ready by next September. If he performs well at combine (incl. interviews) and pro-day workouts - I don't see him gettin' by Cincy.
Agreed. I felt the same about him, the first half the year I didn't buy the hype (and I had seen a couple games) but as the season wore on and he continued to play at a high level and lead his team to victory after victory the more intriguing he became, you just couldn't help but to switch over to the Auburn games.
And ya know, even if he has to sit for a full year, some team will likely fall in love with the potential and upside he oozes and won't hesitate to pull the trigger (or trade up to be able to pull the trigger). That team may or may not be us, but if it is I won't be mad in the least.
Originally posted by dlance:
why are so may excited about cam newton? He big, fast, and throws a great deep pass? there are a hole bunch of QB that can do that. as for being a great leader, he was the cause of the problem. not many great leaders cause the problem then get credit for leading them out of it. I think he has put him problems behind him. still if he was a great leader he would have never caused the problem to start with. the coaches don't get any credit for keeping the team together ?? I'm not saying he suck or he is no good. I really don't know if he is going to be good or suck in the NFL. his collage system was nothing like what he will be asked to do in the NFL so its really hard to tell how he is going to do.
Originally posted by dlance:
why are so may excited about cam newton? He big, fast, and throws a great deep pass? there are a hole bunch of QB that can do that. as for being a great leader, he was the cause of the problem. not many great leaders cause the problem then get credit for leading them out of it. I think he has put him problems behind him. still if he was a great leader he would have never caused the problem to start with. the coaches don't get any credit for keeping the team together ?? I'm not saying he suck or he is no good. I really don't know if he is going to be good or suck in the NFL. his collage system was nothing like what he will be asked to do in the NFL so its really hard to tell how he is going to do.
Originally posted by dlance:
why are so may excited about cam newton? He big, fast, and throws a great deep pass? there are a hole bunch of QB that can do that. as for being a great leader, he was the cause of the problem. not many great leaders cause the problem then get credit for leading them out of it. I think he has put him problems behind him. still if he was a great leader he would have never caused the problem to start with. the coaches don't get any credit for keeping the team together ?? I'm not saying he suck or he is no good. I really don't know if he is going to be good or suck in the NFL. his collage system was nothing like what he will be asked to do in the NFL so its really hard to tell how he is going to do.
