Remaining Schedules for Teams in the Andrew Luck Sweepstakes

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
We don't have any chance of getting that guy at all. We already won too many games. And he may not even come out.

He's probably coming out, and there is such a thing as a trade-up.

1) The team having the #1 pick may not want to trade down. They may want to keep him.

2) If they are open to trades you will be competing against 4 or 5 other teams that "must get him."

The ransom will be real high.

We aren't getting him period. Dream on.

Really??

We're 6th currently in NFL draft position for '11. And certain teams just aren't drafting QB, most likely.

Another consideration... twice the past decade the 1st overall pick QB has been traded to another team during the draft (Vick and E. Manning)

Likely? No.

Possible? Yes.

So you are saying it did happen 2 times. That means it didn't happen 8 times in a decade.

Right?...

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by teeohh:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
We don't have any chance of getting that guy at all. We already won too many games. And he may not even come out.

He's probably coming out, and there is such a thing as a trade-up.

1) The team having the #1 pick may not want to trade down. They may want to keep him.

2) If they are open to trades you will be competing against 4 or 5 other teams that "must get him."

The ransom will be real high.

We aren't getting him period. Dream on.

Most teams in the top 10 already have young quarterbacks, so the price for us to trade up is much cheaper.

Like who? Show me. Which are the Peyton Manning / Phillip Rivers / Drew Brees types picking in the top ten?

Carolina - Clausen, lol
Cincinnati - Palmer, maybe they want to start from scratch though
Detroit - Stafford, definitely would not pick Luck
Buffalo - Fitzpatrick, thinking they pass on Luck for him is wishful thinking imo
Arizona - needs a qb
San Francisco - needs a qb
Cleveland - is McCoy a franchise qb?
Dallas (tie) - Romo, they have other needs to address
Minnesota (tie) - Do they give T.Jackson the reigns?
Denver (tie) - Lord Tebow

- Carolina will not draft a QB with Clausen, period. What that kid has had to go through with nothing to work with as a rookie is a shame -- reminds me of Alex Smith in 2005.
- Cincinnati could take a QB, but Palmer isn't "done" -- they need to plug holes on the D-line and gel a bit on offense -- they'll be fine.
- Fitzpatrick looks great, and they have needs all over the field.
- SF and Arizona both need a QB badly
- McCoy has looked phenomenal so far -- do you disagree? Why go QB AGAIN with so many other needs?
- Min could take a QB, but I expect them to be picking in the teens.
- Den - Orton is averaging 300 yards per game, and Tebow is on the bench.


So in my mind its the 49ers and Arizona that desperately need a QB and don't have massive holes all over the roster.

That is the wishful thinking of a Niner fan, the only teams on that list who do not take Luck are Detroit, Dallas, & Denver (but only if McDaniels is not fired).

Originally posted by epdavis:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by teeohh:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
We don't have any chance of getting that guy at all. We already won too many games. And he may not even come out.

He's probably coming out, and there is such a thing as a trade-up.

1) The team having the #1 pick may not want to trade down. They may want to keep him.

2) If they are open to trades you will be competing against 4 or 5 other teams that "must get him."

The ransom will be real high.

We aren't getting him period. Dream on.

Most teams in the top 10 already have young quarterbacks, so the price for us to trade up is much cheaper.

Like who? Show me. Which are the Peyton Manning / Phillip Rivers / Drew Brees types picking in the top ten?

Carolina - Clausen, lol
Cincinnati - Palmer, maybe they want to start from scratch though
Detroit - Stafford, definitely would not pick Luck
Buffalo - Fitzpatrick, thinking they pass on Luck for him is wishful thinking imo
Arizona - needs a qb
San Francisco - needs a qb
Cleveland - is McCoy a franchise qb?
Dallas (tie) - Romo, they have other needs to address
Minnesota (tie) - Do they give T.Jackson the reigns?
Denver (tie) - Lord Tebow

- Carolina will not draft a QB with Clausen, period. What that kid has had to go through with nothing to work with as a rookie is a shame -- reminds me of Alex Smith in 2005.
- Cincinnati could take a QB, but Palmer isn't "done" -- they need to plug holes on the D-line and gel a bit on offense -- they'll be fine.
- Fitzpatrick looks great, and they have needs all over the field.
- SF and Arizona both need a QB badly
- McCoy has looked phenomenal so far -- do you disagree? Why go QB AGAIN with so many other needs?
- Min could take a QB, but I expect them to be picking in the teens.
- Den - Orton is averaging 300 yards per game, and Tebow is on the bench.


So in my mind its the 49ers and Arizona that desperately need a QB and don't have massive holes all over the roster.

That is the wishful thinking of a Niner fan, the only teams on that list who do not take Luck are Detroit, Dallas, & Denver (but only if McDaniels is not fired).

Detroit and Dallas is right. Wishful thinking is right. Most of those teams would take him.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by teeohh:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
We don't have any chance of getting that guy at all. We already won too many games. And he may not even come out.

He's probably coming out, and there is such a thing as a trade-up.

1) The team having the #1 pick may not want to trade down. They may want to keep him.

2) If they are open to trades you will be competing against 4 or 5 other teams that "must get him."

The ransom will be real high.

We aren't getting him period. Dream on.

Most teams in the top 10 already have young quarterbacks, so the price for us to trade up is much cheaper.

Like who? Show me. Which are the Peyton Manning / Phillip Rivers / Drew Brees types picking in the top ten?

Carolina - Clausen, lol
Cincinnati - Palmer, maybe they want to start from scratch though
Detroit - Stafford, definitely would not pick Luck
Buffalo - Fitzpatrick, thinking they pass on Luck for him is wishful thinking imo
Arizona - needs a qb
San Francisco - needs a qb
Cleveland - is McCoy a franchise qb?
Dallas (tie) - Romo, they have other needs to address
Minnesota (tie) - Do they give T.Jackson the reigns?
Denver (tie) - Lord Tebow

There is tons of teams in there looking for QB's. And Cleveland and Minnesota don't pass on a QB.

Why would Cleveland not ride out McCoy???

Sure buddy. They would rather have Colt McCoy if they get a shot at Andrew Luck.

McCoy's rookie QB rating is 85.3 and as a starter he's notched consecutive wins against the Saints and Patriots. Would they really throw him totally under the bus for Luck? Keep in mind they'd be passing on basically the top player at any other position in the draft in order to saddle themselves with an enormous QB controversy.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by teeohh:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
We don't have any chance of getting that guy at all. We already won too many games. And he may not even come out.

He's probably coming out, and there is such a thing as a trade-up.

1) The team having the #1 pick may not want to trade down. They may want to keep him.

2) If they are open to trades you will be competing against 4 or 5 other teams that "must get him."

The ransom will be real high.

We aren't getting him period. Dream on.

Most teams in the top 10 already have young quarterbacks, so the price for us to trade up is much cheaper.

Like who? Show me. Which are the Peyton Manning / Phillip Rivers / Drew Brees types picking in the top ten?

Carolina - Clausen, lol
Cincinnati - Palmer, maybe they want to start from scratch though
Detroit - Stafford, definitely would not pick Luck
Buffalo - Fitzpatrick, thinking they pass on Luck for him is wishful thinking imo
Arizona - needs a qb
San Francisco - needs a qb
Cleveland - is McCoy a franchise qb?
Dallas (tie) - Romo, they have other needs to address
Minnesota (tie) - Do they give T.Jackson the reigns?
Denver (tie) - Lord Tebow

There is tons of teams in there looking for QB's. And Cleveland and Minnesota don't pass on a QB.

Why would Cleveland not ride out McCoy???

Sure buddy. They would rather have Colt McCoy if they get a shot at Andrew Luck.

Although cleveland most likely will have too many wins, if they do get the chance to pick up Luck, they will draft him and dangle both Luck and McCoy for trade bait. Whichever gives the most in return prolly will go for it, but if never offer looks good enough, never hurts to have two good QBs that can lean on a strong rushing attack with Hillis and experienced OL.

Cleveland needs to do this for their draft:

1. Best WR (or BPA if Luck and/or Peterson are available)
2. Scatback (Murray/Devine/Vereen type to help 3rd down/change of pace for Hillis)
3. Best TE available (QB's best friend)
4-7. defensive depth (defense isn't their problem, offense is)

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by teeohh:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
We don't have any chance of getting that guy at all. We already won too many games. And he may not even come out.

He's probably coming out, and there is such a thing as a trade-up.

1) The team having the #1 pick may not want to trade down. They may want to keep him.

2) If they are open to trades you will be competing against 4 or 5 other teams that "must get him."

The ransom will be real high.

We aren't getting him period. Dream on.

Most teams in the top 10 already have young quarterbacks, so the price for us to trade up is much cheaper.

Like who? Show me. Which are the Peyton Manning / Phillip Rivers / Drew Brees types picking in the top ten?

Carolina - Clausen, lol
Cincinnati - Palmer, maybe they want to start from scratch though
Detroit - Stafford, definitely would not pick Luck
Buffalo - Fitzpatrick, thinking they pass on Luck for him is wishful thinking imo
Arizona - needs a qb
San Francisco - needs a qb
Cleveland - is McCoy a franchise qb?
Dallas (tie) - Romo, they have other needs to address
Minnesota (tie) - Do they give T.Jackson the reigns?
Denver (tie) - Lord Tebow

There is tons of teams in there looking for QB's. And Cleveland and Minnesota don't pass on a QB.

Why would Cleveland not ride out McCoy???

Sure buddy. They would rather have Colt McCoy if they get a shot at Andrew Luck.

McCoy's rookie QB rating is 85.3 and as a starter he's notched consecutive wins against the Saints and Patriots. Would they really throw him totally under the bus for Luck? Keep in mind they'd be passing on basically the top player at any other position in the draft in order to saddle themselves with an enormous QB controversy.

Yes they would take him. They took McCoy at a place in the draft where they were comfortable taking him. But they wouldn't pass on a franchise guy like Luck.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by teeohh:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
We don't have any chance of getting that guy at all. We already won too many games. And he may not even come out.

He's probably coming out, and there is such a thing as a trade-up.

1) The team having the #1 pick may not want to trade down. They may want to keep him.

2) If they are open to trades you will be competing against 4 or 5 other teams that "must get him."

The ransom will be real high.

We aren't getting him period. Dream on.

Most teams in the top 10 already have young quarterbacks, so the price for us to trade up is much cheaper.

Like who? Show me. Which are the Peyton Manning / Phillip Rivers / Drew Brees types picking in the top ten?

Carolina - Clausen, lol
Cincinnati - Palmer, maybe they want to start from scratch though
Detroit - Stafford, definitely would not pick Luck
Buffalo - Fitzpatrick, thinking they pass on Luck for him is wishful thinking imo
Arizona - needs a qb
San Francisco - needs a qb
Cleveland - is McCoy a franchise qb?
Dallas (tie) - Romo, they have other needs to address
Minnesota (tie) - Do they give T.Jackson the reigns?
Denver (tie) - Lord Tebow

There is tons of teams in there looking for QB's. And Cleveland and Minnesota don't pass on a QB.

Why would Cleveland not ride out McCoy???

Sure buddy. They would rather have Colt McCoy if they get a shot at Andrew Luck.

There are other positions that Quarterback -- can you name another player on the browns other than their punt returner??

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by teeohh:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
We don't have any chance of getting that guy at all. We already won too many games. And he may not even come out.

He's probably coming out, and there is such a thing as a trade-up.

1) The team having the #1 pick may not want to trade down. They may want to keep him.

2) If they are open to trades you will be competing against 4 or 5 other teams that "must get him."

The ransom will be real high.

We aren't getting him period. Dream on.

Most teams in the top 10 already have young quarterbacks, so the price for us to trade up is much cheaper.

Like who? Show me. Which are the Peyton Manning / Phillip Rivers / Drew Brees types picking in the top ten?

Carolina - Clausen, lol
Cincinnati - Palmer, maybe they want to start from scratch though
Detroit - Stafford, definitely would not pick Luck
Buffalo - Fitzpatrick, thinking they pass on Luck for him is wishful thinking imo
Arizona - needs a qb
San Francisco - needs a qb
Cleveland - is McCoy a franchise qb?
Dallas (tie) - Romo, they have other needs to address
Minnesota (tie) - Do they give T.Jackson the reigns?
Denver (tie) - Lord Tebow

There is tons of teams in there looking for QB's. And Cleveland and Minnesota don't pass on a QB.

Why would Cleveland not ride out McCoy???

Sure buddy. They would rather have Colt McCoy if they get a shot at Andrew Luck.

There are other positions that Quarterback -- can you name another player on the browns other than their punt returner??

They won't pass on a franchise QB if they get the chance.

Originally posted by epdavis:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by teeohh:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
We don't have any chance of getting that guy at all. We already won too many games. And he may not even come out.

He's probably coming out, and there is such a thing as a trade-up.

1) The team having the #1 pick may not want to trade down. They may want to keep him.

2) If they are open to trades you will be competing against 4 or 5 other teams that "must get him."

The ransom will be real high.

We aren't getting him period. Dream on.

Most teams in the top 10 already have young quarterbacks, so the price for us to trade up is much cheaper.

Like who? Show me. Which are the Peyton Manning / Phillip Rivers / Drew Brees types picking in the top ten?

Carolina - Clausen, lol
Cincinnati - Palmer, maybe they want to start from scratch though
Detroit - Stafford, definitely would not pick Luck
Buffalo - Fitzpatrick, thinking they pass on Luck for him is wishful thinking imo
Arizona - needs a qb
San Francisco - needs a qb
Cleveland - is McCoy a franchise qb?
Dallas (tie) - Romo, they have other needs to address
Minnesota (tie) - Do they give T.Jackson the reigns?
Denver (tie) - Lord Tebow

- Carolina will not draft a QB with Clausen, period. What that kid has had to go through with nothing to work with as a rookie is a shame -- reminds me of Alex Smith in 2005.
- Cincinnati could take a QB, but Palmer isn't "done" -- they need to plug holes on the D-line and gel a bit on offense -- they'll be fine.
- Fitzpatrick looks great, and they have needs all over the field.
- SF and Arizona both need a QB badly
- McCoy has looked phenomenal so far -- do you disagree? Why go QB AGAIN with so many other needs?
- Min could take a QB, but I expect them to be picking in the teens.
- Den - Orton is averaging 300 yards per game, and Tebow is on the bench.


So in my mind its the 49ers and Arizona that desperately need a QB and don't have massive holes all over the roster.

That is the wishful thinking of a Niner fan, the only teams on that list who do not take Luck are Detroit, Dallas, & Denver (but only if McDaniels is not fired).

Tell my why Cleveland would take another QB, after getting great play out of a rookie McCoy?

Orton will approach 5,000 yards in passing this year, and Tebow is behind him. I don't care who coaches, there will be no QB taken.

Your problem, as with others, is that they do not look at comparative needs, jsut absolute needs.

cincinatti, for example, has a mild need for a new QB, but a ton of other needs. Carolina has needs all over the field and just drafted a QB. the Cupboard is more empty in Buffalo than anywhere else.

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by teeohh:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
We don't have any chance of getting that guy at all. We already won too many games. And he may not even come out.

He's probably coming out, and there is such a thing as a trade-up.

1) The team having the #1 pick may not want to trade down. They may want to keep him.

2) If they are open to trades you will be competing against 4 or 5 other teams that "must get him."

The ransom will be real high.

We aren't getting him period. Dream on.

Most teams in the top 10 already have young quarterbacks, so the price for us to trade up is much cheaper.

Like who? Show me. Which are the Peyton Manning / Phillip Rivers / Drew Brees types picking in the top ten?

Carolina - Clausen, lol
Cincinnati - Palmer, maybe they want to start from scratch though
Detroit - Stafford, definitely would not pick Luck
Buffalo - Fitzpatrick, thinking they pass on Luck for him is wishful thinking imo
Arizona - needs a qb
San Francisco - needs a qb
Cleveland - is McCoy a franchise qb?
Dallas (tie) - Romo, they have other needs to address
Minnesota (tie) - Do they give T.Jackson the reigns?
Denver (tie) - Lord Tebow

There is tons of teams in there looking for QB's. And Cleveland and Minnesota don't pass on a QB.

Why would Cleveland not ride out McCoy???

Sure buddy. They would rather have Colt McCoy if they get a shot at Andrew Luck.

There are other positions that Quarterback -- can you name another player on the browns other than their punt returner??

QB- Jake Delhomme, Colt McCoy
RB- Peyton Hillis
LT- Joe Thomas
LG- Eric Steinbach
WR- Mohammed Massiquoi
CB- Joe Haden, Eric Wright (hometown boy)
LB- Chris Gocong

and thats pretty much it, but more than one

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by teeohh:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
We don't have any chance of getting that guy at all. We already won too many games. And he may not even come out.

He's probably coming out, and there is such a thing as a trade-up.

1) The team having the #1 pick may not want to trade down. They may want to keep him.

2) If they are open to trades you will be competing against 4 or 5 other teams that "must get him."

The ransom will be real high.

We aren't getting him period. Dream on.

Most teams in the top 10 already have young quarterbacks, so the price for us to trade up is much cheaper.

Like who? Show me. Which are the Peyton Manning / Phillip Rivers / Drew Brees types picking in the top ten?

Carolina - Clausen, lol
Cincinnati - Palmer, maybe they want to start from scratch though
Detroit - Stafford, definitely would not pick Luck
Buffalo - Fitzpatrick, thinking they pass on Luck for him is wishful thinking imo
Arizona - needs a qb
San Francisco - needs a qb
Cleveland - is McCoy a franchise qb?
Dallas (tie) - Romo, they have other needs to address
Minnesota (tie) - Do they give T.Jackson the reigns?
Denver (tie) - Lord Tebow

There is tons of teams in there looking for QB's. And Cleveland and Minnesota don't pass on a QB.

Why would Cleveland not ride out McCoy???

Sure buddy. They would rather have Colt McCoy if they get a shot at Andrew Luck.

McCoy's rookie QB rating is 85.3 and as a starter he's notched consecutive wins against the Saints and Patriots. Would they really throw him totally under the bus for Luck? Keep in mind they'd be passing on basically the top player at any other position in the draft in order to saddle themselves with an enormous QB controversy.

Yes they would take him. They took McCoy at a place in the draft where they were comfortable taking him. But they wouldn't pass on a franchise guy like Luck.

If I was the Browns I'd take AJ Green and give McCoy a real weapon to go along with a good offensive line and Peyton Hillis / Montario Hardesty. But that's just me...

Fact is though teams pass on franchise QBs all the time.

The Rams, Chiefs, and Seahawks all passed on Mark Sanchez despite all three having a need at QB.

St Louis and Miami both passed on Matt Ryan when their QBs were Bulger and Pennington.

23 teams passed on Aaron Rodgers who was considered a possible #1 pick, including Oakland taking Fabian Washington and the Jags taking a QB converted to WR, Matt Jones.

Three clear examples of the last 5 or so years in which 'franchise' QBs were overlooked repeatedly by teams with a QB need.

browns need a WR more than a QB, and please dont listen to SD49er, he spews BS all the time, and the worst is he thinks he knows it all.

Tell my why Cleveland would take another QB, after getting great play out of a rookie McCoy?

Orton will approach 5,000 yards in passing this year, and Tebow is behind him. I don't care who coaches, there will be no QB taken.

Your problem, as with others, is that they do not look at comparative needs, jsut absolute needs.

cincinatti, for example, has a mild need for a new QB, but a ton of other needs. Carolina has needs all over the field and just drafted a QB. the Cupboard is more empty in Buffalo than anywhere else.Your problem, as with others, is that you are looking at the situation thru red & gold colored glasses. Ask yourself a question if the Niners had any of the QB's that you are trying to justify passing on Luck for (McCoy, Palmer, Orton, Fitzpatrick, Clausen) would you be happy with that decision? If you answer yes to that question thank God you are not running this team.

[ Edited by epdavis on Nov 28, 2010 at 15:50:07 ]

Originally posted by AB83Rules:
browns need a WR more than a QB, and please dont listen to SD49er, he spews BS all the time, and the worst is he thinks he knows it all.

I'd say he's right about this. The panthers could pass on Luck, but to say it with certainty like Clausen is actually worth a s**t is just wishful thinking, probably blinded by a strong desire for the niners to trade up for Luck.

Carolina I think would take Luck if they had a chance. Clausen was the 48th pick so its not like they have a huge amount invested in him. Could be traded for maybe a 3rd-4th round pick and that would be that.

Read over here if you want to get their perspective on what should be done on draft day assuming they have #1 pick and Luck declares:
http://www.carolinahuddle.com/forum/the-nfl-draft/

Hopefully T.Smith does something excellent the rest of the season but if not the 49ers should trade the barn for Luck, or spend at least 2 picks on lower-round QB's.