Would you Trade away our #1 in 2012 to Move up for Luck?

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
NFL Draft Order Analysis

As of this week the draft order is...

1. Carolina (would not draft a QB, have Jimmy Clausen)
2. Cincinnati (would definitely draft a QB, have you seen Carson Palmer lately)
3. Detroit (probably wouldn't draft a QB, only two years removed from picking Stafford)
4. Buffalo (would definitely draft QB)
5. Arizona (would definitely draft QB)
6. SAN FRANCISCO

so either we need to... make the playoffs this year

OR

tank for top draft position

we have two remaining games vs. Arizona. Do we really want Andrew Luck in Arizona and Sam Bradford a Ram? We could be getting screwed for a long time if this is the case.

Remember, the three teams we need to "pass" in order to get Luck: Arizona, Buffalo, and Cincinnati.

Cincinatti is not ready to give up on Palmer, Cincy had no D-line, period -- that's a huge need.

Fitzpatrick is playing very well with little to no talent around him in Buffalo.

I agree with you on Arizona. They're going to take a QB for sure.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
NFL Draft Order Analysis

As of this week the draft order is...

1. Carolina (would not draft a QB, have Jimmy Clausen)
2. Cincinnati (would definitely draft a QB, have you seen Carson Palmer lately)
3. Detroit (probably wouldn't draft a QB, only two years removed from picking Stafford)
4. Buffalo (would definitely draft QB)
5. Arizona (would definitely draft QB)
6. SAN FRANCISCO

so either we need to... make the playoffs this year

OR

tank for top draft position

we have two remaining games vs. Arizona. Do we really want Andrew Luck in Arizona and Sam Bradford a Ram? We could be getting screwed for a long time if this is the case.

Remember, the three teams we need to "pass" in order to get Luck: Arizona, Buffalo, and Cincinnati.

Cincinatti is not ready to give up on Palmer, Cincy had no D-line, period -- that's a huge need.

Fitzpatrick is playing very well with little to no talent around him in Buffalo.

I agree with you on Arizona. They're going to take a QB for sure.

You sold me on Buffalo they may not take QB after all Fitzpatrick is having a good year. I can't rule out that they won't take QB but it certainly isn't a sure thing that they will. But I remain convinced that Carson Palmer won't be in Cincinnati next year.

Originally posted by teeohh:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by teeohh:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by teeohh:
We have several major needs, qb, cb, olb....


But I think that a new coach in Carolina would pick Luck if he had the chance. They don't have a huge investment in Clausen and a new coach will probably want someone else.

You put AJ Green opposite Steve Smith, and get the running game healthy, and I guarantee Clausen has a QB rating of 90+ in 2011.

You take Luck and you could have a Brees-Rivers problem.

I would love if the 49ers had that problem. Really though, I will be absolutely surprised if Luck is passed on because of Jimmy Clausen. I don't disagree that they need a WR, but you have to agree that it's likely that a new coach will want his own guy at QB. Look at what McDaniels did in Denver, so why should anyone be sure Clausen's job is safe? Clausen isn't making a lot of money, and I haven't heard any talks of him looking great out there. If Luck is really the best qb prospect since Peyton Manning you don't pass on him because you have Jimmy Clausen.

Again, look at what Clausen has to work with. And, he is also a rookie. O-line is horrible this year too due to injury. When you have as many needs as the Panthers, you can't take a QB this year.

Please remember that they also traded away their second-round pick to New England, so they better address a huge need in the first round.

Yes you can. They're not the Lions with MILLIONS invest in Stafford. And a new coach may not want Jimmy Clausen as his franchise qb, that's the point I'm trying to make. All it's going to take is the next coach to want Luck.

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
NFL Draft Order Analysis

As of this week the draft order is...

1. Carolina (would not draft a QB, have Jimmy Clausen)
2. Cincinnati (would definitely draft a QB, have you seen Carson Palmer lately)
3. Detroit (probably wouldn't draft a QB, only two years removed from picking Stafford)
4. Buffalo (would definitely draft QB)
5. Arizona (would definitely draft QB)
6. SAN FRANCISCO

so either we need to... make the playoffs this year

OR

tank for top draft position

we have two remaining games vs. Arizona. Do we really want Andrew Luck in Arizona and Sam Bradford a Ram? We could be getting screwed for a long time if this is the case.

Remember, the three teams we need to "pass" in order to get Luck: Arizona, Buffalo, and Cincinnati.

Cincinatti is not ready to give up on Palmer, Cincy had no D-line, period -- that's a huge need.

Fitzpatrick is playing very well with little to no talent around him in Buffalo.

I agree with you on Arizona. They're going to take a QB for sure.

You sold me on Buffalo they may not take QB after all Fitzpatrick is having a good year. I can't rule out that they won't take QB but it certainly isn't a sure thing that they will. But I remain convinced that Carson Palmer won't be in Cincinnati next year.

Needs are all comparative. Also, Cincinatti is ready to win "NOW", not 3 years from now. Let his chemistry gel with the WR corps and draft some d-linemen. They could easily repeat their 2009 performance in 2011 with no roster changes, and if they draft for the d-line well, they could be a contender in '12.

Originally posted by mrbusinessman499:
i would trade my mom for luck

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by teeohh:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by teeohh:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by teeohh:
We have several major needs, qb, cb, olb....


But I think that a new coach in Carolina would pick Luck if he had the chance. They don't have a huge investment in Clausen and a new coach will probably want someone else.

You put AJ Green opposite Steve Smith, and get the running game healthy, and I guarantee Clausen has a QB rating of 90+ in 2011.

You take Luck and you could have a Brees-Rivers problem.

I would love if the 49ers had that problem. Really though, I will be absolutely surprised if Luck is passed on because of Jimmy Clausen. I don't disagree that they need a WR, but you have to agree that it's likely that a new coach will want his own guy at QB. Look at what McDaniels did in Denver, so why should anyone be sure Clausen's job is safe? Clausen isn't making a lot of money, and I haven't heard any talks of him looking great out there. If Luck is really the best qb prospect since Peyton Manning you don't pass on him because you have Jimmy Clausen.

Again, look at what Clausen has to work with. And, he is also a rookie. O-line is horrible this year too due to injury. When you have as many needs as the Panthers, you can't take a QB this year.

Please remember that they also traded away their second-round pick to New England, so they better address a huge need in the first round.

Yes you can. They're not the Lions with MILLIONS invest in Stafford. And a new coach may not want Jimmy Clausen as his franchise qb, that's the point I'm trying to make. All it's going to take is the next coach to want Luck.

The Lions passed over Flacco for a RT before taking Stafford the following year.

The Rams passed over Matt Ryan and Mark Sanchez in consecutive years (they opted for a DE and what they presumed would be their LT of the future both of which are considered premium positions on a football team) before taking Bradford this year.

The Dolphins also passed over Matt Ryan for Jake Long.

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by teeohh:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by teeohh:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by teeohh:
We have several major needs, qb, cb, olb....


But I think that a new coach in Carolina would pick Luck if he had the chance. They don't have a huge investment in Clausen and a new coach will probably want someone else.

You put AJ Green opposite Steve Smith, and get the running game healthy, and I guarantee Clausen has a QB rating of 90+ in 2011.

You take Luck and you could have a Brees-Rivers problem.

I would love if the 49ers had that problem. Really though, I will be absolutely surprised if Luck is passed on because of Jimmy Clausen. I don't disagree that they need a WR, but you have to agree that it's likely that a new coach will want his own guy at QB. Look at what McDaniels did in Denver, so why should anyone be sure Clausen's job is safe? Clausen isn't making a lot of money, and I haven't heard any talks of him looking great out there. If Luck is really the best qb prospect since Peyton Manning you don't pass on him because you have Jimmy Clausen.

Again, look at what Clausen has to work with. And, he is also a rookie. O-line is horrible this year too due to injury. When you have as many needs as the Panthers, you can't take a QB this year.

Please remember that they also traded away their second-round pick to New England, so they better address a huge need in the first round.

Yes you can. They're not the Lions with MILLIONS invest in Stafford. And a new coach may not want Jimmy Clausen as his franchise qb, that's the point I'm trying to make. All it's going to take is the next coach to want Luck.

The Lions passed over Flacco for a RT before taking Stafford the following year.

The Rams passed over Matt Ryan and Mark Sanchez in consecutive years (they opted for a DE and what they presumed would be their LT of the future both of which are considered premium positions on a football team) before taking Bradford this year.

The Dolphins also passed over Matt Ryan for Jake Long.

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
NFL Draft Order Analysis

As of this week the draft order is...

1. Carolina (would not draft a QB, have Jimmy Clausen)
2. Cincinnati (would definitely draft a QB, have you seen Carson Palmer lately)
3. Detroit (probably wouldn't draft a QB, only two years removed from picking Stafford)
4. Buffalo (would definitely draft QB)
5. Arizona (would definitely draft QB)
6. SAN FRANCISCO

so either we need to... make the playoffs this year

OR

tank for top draft position

we have two remaining games vs. Arizona. Do we really want Andrew Luck in Arizona and Sam Bradford a Ram? We could be getting screwed for a long time if this is the case.

Remember, the three teams we need to "pass" in order to get Luck: Arizona, Buffalo, and Cincinnati.

Cincinatti is not ready to give up on Palmer, Cincy had no D-line, period -- that's a huge need.

Fitzpatrick is playing very well with little to no talent around him in Buffalo.

I agree with you on Arizona. They're going to take a QB for sure.

You sold me on Buffalo they may not take QB after all Fitzpatrick is having a good year. I can't rule out that they won't take QB but it certainly isn't a sure thing that they will. But I remain convinced that Carson Palmer won't be in Cincinnati next year.

Needs are all comparative. Also, Cincinatti is ready to win "NOW", not 3 years from now. Let his chemistry gel with the WR corps and draft some d-linemen. They could easily repeat their 2009 performance in 2011 with no roster changes, and if they draft for the d-line well, they could be a contender in '12.

Cincinnati may also pull a major house cleaning. Marvin Lewis is in his final year of his deal, the team has an option on Ocho Cinco, Palmer is set to make 11.5, 11.5, 13 & 14 million over the next 4 years and Benson who has been pedestrian this year is also a FA. Bottom line is with these guys they haven't lived up to expectations. 2 winning season in 8 years is reason to let some if not all of these guys walk.

Originally posted by nickbradley:
I'm not so sure Buffalo goes with a Quarterback either -- Fitzpatrick is putting up the same numbers as Eli Manning and Matt Schaub with much less talent.

Quote:
Buffalo is going to be near the top of the draft, and Bills general manager Buddy Nix already is doing his due diligence. Nix flew to Northern California last week and spent a day at Stanford looking at quarterback Andrew Luck, who is likely to be the No. 1 pick if he turns pro after this season. Buffalo has been looking for a quarterback like Luck since Jim Kelly retired. The fact that Nix already is spending his time scouting quarterbacks up close and personal is an indication that, as good as Ryan Fitzpatrick has been this season, Buffalo knows it must upgrade at the most important position in sports. But just the Bills' luck: Their improved play might cost them their best chance at Luck.

Originally posted by teeohh:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by teeohh:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by teeohh:

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by teeohh:
We have several major needs, qb, cb, olb....


But I think that a new coach in Carolina would pick Luck if he had the chance. They don't have a huge investment in Clausen and a new coach will probably want someone else.

You put AJ Green opposite Steve Smith, and get the running game healthy, and I guarantee Clausen has a QB rating of 90+ in 2011.

You take Luck and you could have a Brees-Rivers problem.

I would love if the 49ers had that problem. Really though, I will be absolutely surprised if Luck is passed on because of Jimmy Clausen. I don't disagree that they need a WR, but you have to agree that it's likely that a new coach will want his own guy at QB. Look at what McDaniels did in Denver, so why should anyone be sure Clausen's job is safe? Clausen isn't making a lot of money, and I haven't heard any talks of him looking great out there. If Luck is really the best qb prospect since Peyton Manning you don't pass on him because you have Jimmy Clausen.

Again, look at what Clausen has to work with. And, he is also a rookie. O-line is horrible this year too due to injury. When you have as many needs as the Panthers, you can't take a QB this year.

Please remember that they also traded away their second-round pick to New England, so they better address a huge need in the first round.

Yes you can. They're not the Lions with MILLIONS invest in Stafford. And a new coach may not want Jimmy Clausen as his franchise qb, that's the point I'm trying to make. All it's going to take is the next coach to want Luck.

The Lions passed over Flacco for a RT before taking Stafford the following year.

The Rams passed over Matt Ryan and Mark Sanchez in consecutive years (they opted for a DE and what they presumed would be their LT of the future both of which are considered premium positions on a football team) before taking Bradford this year.

The Dolphins also passed over Matt Ryan for Jake Long.

So? lol Like I keep repeating, all it's going to take is the next coach to want Luck. If Luck is the next Peyton Manning like people on here hype him up to be why would they pass on that? Yeah those teams passed on qbs and the Panthers could do it too, but like I said, I would be surprised.

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by nickbradley:
I'm not so sure Buffalo goes with a Quarterback either -- Fitzpatrick is putting up the same numbers as Eli Manning and Matt Schaub with much less talent.

Not so fast...just because he is playing well doesn't mean they see him as the long term solution.

Quote:
Buffalo is going to be near the top of the draft, and Bills general manager Buddy Nix already is doing his due diligence. Nix flew to Northern California last week and spent a day at Stanford looking at quarterback Andrew Luck, who is likely to be the No. 1 pick if he turns pro after this season. Buffalo has been looking for a quarterback like Luck since Jim Kelly retired. The fact that Nix already is spending his time scouting quarterbacks up close and personal is an indication that, as good as Ryan Fitzpatrick has been this season, Buffalo knows it must upgrade at the most important position in sports. But just the Bills' luck: Their improved play might cost them their best chance at Luck.

Originally posted by nickbradley:
Marv Lewis was .500 entering this season, better than Sam Wyche did there in the 1980s. Only Forrest Gregg surpassed that.

They are going to allow Marv Lewis to keep the team and right the ship.

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by nickbradley:
Marv Lewis was .500 entering this season, better than Sam Wyche did there in the 1980s. Only Forrest Gregg surpassed that.

They are going to allow Marv Lewis to keep the team and right the ship.

He is 58-63 with Cincy and has never made it out of the Wild Card. Only 2 playoff appearances in 8 years and no deal in place for next year whilst his team has but 2 wins this year thus far. Another losing season stands before them....hard to imagine he comes back.

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by nickbradley:
I'm not so sure Buffalo goes with a Quarterback either -- Fitzpatrick is putting up the same numbers as Eli Manning and Matt Schaub with much less talent.

Not so fast...just because he is playing well doesn't mean they see him as the long term solution.

Quote:
Buffalo is going to be near the top of the draft, and Bills general manager Buddy Nix already is doing his due diligence. Nix flew to Northern California last week and spent a day at Stanford looking at quarterback Andrew Luck, who is likely to be the No. 1 pick if he turns pro after this season. Buffalo has been looking for a quarterback like Luck since Jim Kelly retired. The fact that Nix already is spending his time scouting quarterbacks up close and personal is an indication that, as good as Ryan Fitzpatrick has been this season, Buffalo knows it must upgrade at the most important position in sports. But just the Bills' luck: Their improved play might cost them their best chance at Luck.

When is your quote from?

Originally posted by teeohh:
So? lol Like I keep repeating, all it's going to take is the next coach to want Luck. If Luck is the next Peyton Manning like people on here hype him up to be why would they pass on that? Yeah those teams passed on qbs and the Panthers could do it too, but like I said, I would be surprised.