Stafford Traded to Rams for two 1st's, a 3rd, and Goff

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
Stafford will be 33 years old next year. Trade a mid teens to early 20's 1st round pick for probably 5 more years of Stafford. I'd do it but we still need to fix the o line and get a QB prospect in the pipeline soon.

a 1st? not a chance. Stafford will fetch a high 2nd at the most. Im thinking more of a 3rd. He is older and doesnt have a great win percentage. I think most teams would rather roll with a 1st round rookie QB then trade that pick and take on a large contract on top of that

Originally posted by JustinNiner:

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:

Stafford will be 33 years old next year. Trade a mid teens to early 20's 1st round pick for probably 5 more years of Stafford. I'd do it but we still need to fix the o line and get a QB prospect in the pipeline soon.

a 1st? not a chance. Stafford will fetch a high 2nd at the most. Im thinking more of a 3rd. He is older and doesnt have a great win percentage. I think most teams would rather roll with a 1st round rookie QB then trade that pick and take on a large contract on top of that

Think about this: An unproven Jimmy Garoppolo cost a high 2nd round pick. There is absolutely no way Detroit trades Stafford—a proven commodity—for a 3rd. It's pure fantasy.

Trade Jimmy to the Colts or Bears for a 4th.

Trade that 4th and our 2nd for Stafford.

Boom done.

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
Stafford will be 33 years old next year. Trade a mid teens to early 20's 1st round pick for probably 5 more years of Stafford. I'd do it but we still need to fix the o line and get a QB prospect in the pipeline soon.

No way on earth I'm giving up a first for a non-SB winning/non-elite QB with that huge of a cap number. Second is the highest I'm going.

Originally posted by BYisGod:

Originally posted by JustinNiner:

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
Stafford will be 33 years old next year. Trade a mid teens to early 20's 1st round pick for probably 5 more years of Stafford. I'd do it but we still need to fix the o line and get a QB prospect in the pipeline soon.

a 1st? not a chance. Stafford will fetch a high 2nd at the most. Im thinking more of a 3rd. He is older and doesnt have a great win percentage. I think most teams would rather roll with a 1st round rookie QB then trade that pick and take on a large contract on top of that

Think about this: An unproven Jimmy Garoppolo cost a high 2nd round pick. There is absolutely no way Detroit trades Stafford—a proven commodity—for a 3rd. It's pure fantasy.

The 3rd is definitely pure fantasy. Second isn't far fetched if they are relieved of the contract and get to start fresh.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
No way on earth I'm giving up a first for a non-SB winning/non-elite QB with that huge of a cap number. Second is the highest I'm going.

IF Detroit is willing to part with Stafford, someone will give them a 1st plus a 3rd or a starting player.

There are 5 teams, 6 if you count the Eagles, that are in big-time need of a QB. At least one of them will pony up a 1st+ for Stafford. We won't be the only ones at that dance.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Yeah he would have made too much sense in TB....Brady was such a head scratcher to me there, Arians has always been a vertical YOLO deep passing HC. That's not Brady's MO especially at this stage in his career. I truthy thought Arians would have changed his system for him. Guess not lol

Just checking out Stafford's cap hit in a trade for s**ts and giggles.

If traded to SF his cap hits for the next 3 yrs...

2021-$14M
2022-$20M
2023-$3M (dummy yr)

The Lions would save $14M in 2021 (DM $19M) 2022 they would save $20M (DM $6M).

I'm glad someone brought up the cap hits. This is probably why Stafford would fetch at minimum a 2nd and a 3rd/4th? Maybe a 1st?

Detroit by trading him would have to eat his bonus money. Or at least most of it.

There is an incentive to trade Stafford. Draft capital and $34 million in cap relief over the next two years.

Imagine moving Jimmy G, flipping that draft capital In a deal for Stafford. And on top of it, paying Stafford $10 million less than they would have paid Jimmy in 2021. That money could be used to bring back Trent Williams. This is 4d chess on another level.

Upgrade at QB and use that extra money to resign your best oline. If it costs a 1st round pick but we gain a 2nd for Jimmy...why not?

Originally posted by dj43:

IF Detroit is willing to part with Stafford, someone will give them a 1st plus a 3rd or a starting player.

There are 5 teams, 6 if you count the Eagles, that are in big-time need of a QB. At least one of them will pony up a 1st+ for Stafford. We won't be the only ones at that dance.

If Big Ben retires, Pittsburgh would give up a 1st for Stafford in a heartbeat. Same with the Saints. A 1st for another 3-4 years of SB contention? You make that trade all day. Stafford may not be in that Top 5 group of NFL QBs but he's easily in the second tier. You can win SBs with him.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by dj43:

IF Detroit is willing to part with Stafford, someone will give them a 1st plus a 3rd or a starting player.

There are 5 teams, 6 if you count the Eagles, that are in big-time need of a QB. At least one of them will pony up a 1st+ for Stafford. We won't be the only ones at that dance.

If Big Ben retires, Pittsburgh would give up a 1st for Stafford in a heartbeat. Same with the Saints. A 1st for another 3-4 years of SB contention? You make that trade all day. Stafford may not be in that Top 5 group of NFL QBs but he's easily in the second tier. You can win SBs with him.

TDN named the Broncos as a sleeper team (depends on how they really feel about Lock). It's definitely not out of the realm of possibility.

Originally posted by BYisGod:
Think about this: An unproven Jimmy Garoppolo cost a high 2nd round pick. There is absolutely no way Detroit trades Stafford—a proven commodity—for a 3rd. It's pure fantasy.

Also, JOE GOD DAMN FLACCO netted a 4th round pick from the Broncos. Flacco was complete ass by that point in his career (even by his standards). You can't tell me that the corpse of an already-s**tty quarterback was worth a 4th and that Stafford is only worth a 3rd.

Originally posted by goldlame2013:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Saleh goes to Detroit, SF trades Jimmy and a 2nd for Stafford, SF saves like $20M in cap space over the next 2 yrs and gets a upgrade at QB. There's also a 3rd yr in Stafford's deal to structure and spread out that cash.

They will have needed cap space to make the moves you need to make and get 2 3rd picks by Saleh leaving on top of it.

Who says no?

Errrybody lol. You leave Detroit with no QB, there's no guarantee Stafford and Shanahan work out.

What QB save for save for Matt Ryan can you "guarantee" will work out well? Especially a rookie?

If we get Stafford we´re not drafting a QB for the future next year because Stafford would give us 4 or 5 good years.

I like his cap hit (34M next 2 years) and we can trade Garoppolo for a 2nd round to Patriots or Colts assuming he plays well the last 2 games of this season and then we can give Detroit our 1st round.

Then with our 2 2nd rounds we can trade up to the 1st round to get a man-coverage CB to pair him with Verrett.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by dj43:

IF Detroit is willing to part with Stafford, someone will give them a 1st plus a 3rd or a starting player.

There are 5 teams, 6 if you count the Eagles, that are in big-time need of a QB. At least one of them will pony up a 1st+ for Stafford. We won't be the only ones at that dance.

If Big Ben retires, Pittsburgh would give up a 1st for Stafford in a heartbeat. Same with the Saints. A 1st for another 3-4 years of SB contention? You make that trade all day. Stafford may not be in that Top 5 group of NFL QBs but he's easily in the second tier. You can win SBs with him.

Originally posted by SisterFister:

I'm glad someone brought up the cap hits. This is probably why Stafford would fetch at minimum a 2nd and a 3rd/4th? Maybe a 1st?

Detroit by trading him would have to eat his bonus money. Or at least most of it.

There is an incentive to trade Stafford. Draft capital and $34 million in cap relief over the next two years.

Imagine moving Jimmy G, flipping that draft capital In a deal for Stafford. And on top of it, paying Stafford $10 million less than they would have paid Jimmy in 2021. That money could be used to bring back Trent Williams. This is 4d chess on another level.

Upgrade at QB and use that extra money to resign your best oline. If it costs a 1st round pick but we gain a 2nd for Jimmy...why not?

It's a great scenario lol

I believe the cap numbers being quoted are incorrect. According to OTC - https://overthecap.com/player/matt-stafford/1060/. He has a 10MM roster bonus in 2021, a 9.5MM salary, and 500K workout bonus. In 2022, it's another 10MM roster bonus, 500K workout bonus, and a 12.5MM salary. Still cheap for a decent starter, but not 34MM over the next two years.

Show me evidence Stafford is better than Jimmy when healthy. All I see Stafford do is throw bad reckless passes. Yeah he's got a big arm, so what? Does he win?