The Tards sign Alan Faneca

Originally posted by Youngone:

Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:

Originally posted by 49oz2superbowl:
not that we needed Faneca, and he's seriously diminishing as a player... but it pains me to see the rest of the NFC West make moves to improve while we sit around and "resign our guys".... which we haven't done either.

Arizona let Rolle and Dansby walk (the 5th and 3rd best defensive players on their team respectively imo), trade for Kerry Rhodes (who is highly overrated and overpayed), and signed Derek Anderson who makes David Carr look like a hall of famer. Hardly "making moves to improve." Fanecca signing with Arizona is hardly a surprise considering two of his former coaches are coahes on the Cardinals. Will Fanneca help the run game? Undoubtedly but he's also a big liability in pass protection and I doubt he makes a significant difference in the Cardinals success at the end of the year.

The Seahwaks traded valuable picks for Charlie Whitehrst. Yes they had a great first 3 picks which steals practically fell in their laps. The Washington and White trades were savvy, however I bet you guys like Blount, Dixon, Dwyer and Scott could provide just as much value (all were power backs drafted in the 6th round with the exception of Blount). Leon Wshington could work out for them (if his leg heals which is a big if, that was a nasty injury), but it's hardly as if Seattle is making all kinds of moves.

St. Louis hasn't done s**t besides pretty much letting go of its best defensive player.

Seattle is still in rebuilding mode, Arizona is in a major transition and pinning it's hopes on party-boy Leinart and St. Louis is years away. Our moves in the draft (Two o-linemen, respected o-line coaches, Ginn trade) have in fact set us up to win now much more than the moves of our rivals, by dealing with our two biggest weaknesses last year, o-line and special teams.

Maybe you should sit down before I tell you this.....

what are you getting at? I'm well aware hat Blount isn't a Niner. Neither are Dwyer or Scott. I'm making a point about late round/UDFA running backs making the same impact as someone like Lendale White who cost a 4th.

Originally posted by 49oz2superbowl:

Originally posted by SolRebe1:

Originally posted by 49oz2superbowl:

Originally posted by Youngone:

Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:

Originally posted by 49oz2superbowl:
not that we needed Faneca, and he's seriously diminishing as a player... but it pains me to see the rest of the NFC West make moves to improve while we sit around and "resign our guys".... which we haven't done either.

Arizona let Rolle and Dansby walk (the 5th and 3rd best defensive players on their team respectively imo), trade for Kerry Rhodes (who is highly overrated and overpayed), and signed Derek Anderson who makes David Carr look like a hall of famer. Hardly "making moves to improve." Fanecca signing with Arizona is hardly a surprise considering two of his former coaches are coahes on the Cardinals. Will Fanneca help the run game? Undoubtedly but he's also a big liability in pass protection and I doubt he makes a significant difference in the Cardinals success at the end of the year.

The Seahwaks traded valuable picks for Charlie Whitehrst. Yes they had a great first 3 picks which steals practically fell in their laps. The Washington and White trades were savvy, however I bet you guys like Blount, Dixon, Dwyer and Scott could provide just as much value (all were power backs drafted in the 6th round with the exception of Blount). Leon Wshington could work out for them (if his leg heals which is a big if, that was a nasty injury), but it's hardly as if Seattle is making all kinds of moves.

St. Louis hasn't done s**t besides pretty much letting go of its best defensive player.

Seattle is still in rebuilding mode, Arizona is in a major transition and pinning it's hopes on party-boy Leinart and St. Louis is years away. Our moves in the draft (Two o-linemen, respected o-line coaches, Ginn trade) have in fact set us up to win now much more than the moves of our rivals, by dealing with our two biggest weaknesses last year, o-line and special teams.

Maybe you should sit down before I tell you this.....

Yes Arizona lost players, but they made the best moves possible to replace such players at a reasonable rate. Rolle and Dansby didn't deserve 2/3 of the money they signed for. They made moves to land Kherry Rhodes, Derek Anderson, Joey Porter, and Alen Faneca... got a STEAL in Brian Price and a great Dansby replacement in Daryl Washington. The 49ers are terrible at replacing free agents (see TO with Rashaun Woods, Jeff Garcia with Tim Rattay, Justin Smiley with David Baas/Chilo Rachal, Julian Peterson with Manny Lawson, Bryant Young with Kentwan Balmer).


I just wish we would do one or the other (resign our guys or bring aboard quality players at positions of need).

Did I miss something?

Blount signed with the Titans. But UDFA isn't a great area to point at. We went after players that there's no roster room for. We could've gotten guys like AJ Jefferson who could push for the 5th cb spot or guys like Tony Washington/Ciron Black who could push players like Wragge and Snyder for a roster spot. Or even a change of pace back. Jarret Brown has no chance at the 53 man roster with Smith, Carr, and Davis holding down three spots. Even Leroy Vann is a waste of a 53 man roster spot with players like Ted Ginn and Kyle Williams added. As much value as we pursued with our UDFA, they are all at spots where they are incredibly unlikely to make any worthwhile contribution besides hopefully landing on our PS (which they likely won't if they show enough in preseason).

Are you seriously b***hing about UDFA's?

This is one of the downsides of the internet. People have access to a s**t load of information which makes them think they are experts in the field. I just can't believe you are criticizing the Niners to nitpicking which UDFA's we should've signed.

Originally posted by 49oz2superbowl:

Yes Arizona lost players, but they made the best moves possible to replace such players at a reasonable rate. Rolle and Dansby didn't deserve 2/3 of the money they signed for. They made moves to land Kherry Rhodes, Derek Anderson, Joey Porter, and Alen Faneca... got a STEAL in Dan Williams and a great Dansby replacement in Daryl Washington.

Kerry Rhodes has I think the second or 3rd biggest contract for a safety in the nfl. Plus he's not even as good as Rolle.Great move in Derek Anderson? lmao. Joey Porter is an aging and selfish loudmouth who is a cancer in the locker room. Alan Faneca...I'm not going to repeat myself. As for their draft picks, don't even pretend that you know anything about scouting. I could just as easily said that we got a future probowl RT and LG both filling dire needs, Taylor Mays was a steal in the 2nd and solves our safety position and that we drafted a first round caiber talent in the 3rd round to replace Spikes as well as picking up a future 4th. I could play this game for almost every team in the nfl right now.

The 49ers are terrible at replacing free agents (see TO with Rashaun Woods, Jeff Garcia with Tim Rattay, Justin Smiley with David Baas/Chilo Rachal, Julian Peterson with Manny Lawson, Bryant Young with Kentwan Balmer).

Rashaun Woods? Garcia? Still b***hing about s**t that TD pulled waaaay in the past? I'm not going to disagree wih you on the other stuff except for Bryant Young. There's a guy named Justin Smith who actually was brought in in free agency to replace Young and is one of our best players.

I agree, I thought Seattle's acquisition of Whitehurst was a terrible move, making them miss out on Claussen, but with that said he's the most NFL ready option they have if Hasselbeck gets hurt again. Not to mention they had the best draft I've seen a team have in a long time. Leon Washington is a perfect change of pace back we desperately need. Seattle has atleast made concerted efforts to sign playmakers (Brandon Marshall, Aaron Kampman, Julius Peppers).

Well Seattle got really lucky that all those players dropped right into their lap. How does this make what we did in the draft any better or worse? And going after players doesn't mean s**t if you don't sign or trade for them. That's the equivalent of window shopping.

I just wish we would do one or the other (resign our guys or bring aboard quality players at positions of need).

Who did we lose this offseason that we failed to replace? We brought aboard two stud o-linemen which was by far our most pressing move. If that's not taking action to improve the play of an area of need than I have no idea that would be.

You praise every single move that our opposition makes as if you have some sort of crystal ball and neglect to mention anything that we did or assume that what we did won't work out. You assume for example that the linebacker drafted in the second round will be able to replace Dansby and then compare it to failures to draft replacements for players we lost through either FA or retirment in the past. Not fair or logical at all. You're constant barrage of criticism towards every single thing that we did or didn't do is just straight up illogical and makes me worry about your mental psyche... but that's none of my business.

Originally posted by 49oz2superbowl:

Originally posted by scopur49er:

Originally posted by 49oz2superbowl:

Originally posted by WINiner:
Damn that sucks. It definately makes the Cards stronger.

And that was my exact point before people started putting words in my mouth, what was your point in saying I sounded whiny?

You're spending an awful lot of time in this thread defending your comments to people who "misinterpreted" it. That tells me that you weren't very clear with your tone or the message you wanted to get across to begin with.

And I agree with the other poster that you did sound a bit whiny but only because you didn't back up anything you said originally - it wasn't until you were forced to get defensive that you started to make more sense (Plus your STFU comment was uncalled for).
Saying "How come we don't sign any guys while everyone else signs a bunch of people" with a grumpy sad face emote is usally a good way to provoke negative responses.

You could've also said:
"Nice signing by the Cards. I noticed that our only moves in the offseason were a, b and c while the other teams in our division seemed to be more aggressive by signing x, y and z and also resigning players p, q, and r. Is anyone else concerned by this or is it just me?"
See how much more civil and well-thought-out that comes across?

You do realize that you just put quotation marks around something that I never said... do you know what quotation marks imply?

I said that I hate watching the rest of the NFC West making moves to improve their team through free agency... and I prefaced that by saying I didn't want Faneca as he doesn't fit our team...

People know that we weren't active in free agency, and the free agent acquisitions we did make (minus Paymah) weren't necessary additions. The money we tied into Carr could have brought aboard a veteran like Nathan Vasher or Brian Westbrook who would have a clear role with our team, on the field.

People also know that we have yet to ink a legitimate contract extension to any franchise player this offseason, which was our excuse for not being more active. It was even reported that we've essentially ended all talks and will likely wait the year out to see how these contract year players will perform (which isn't a bad idea for Brooks, Franklin or Goldson). But if that's the plan, then why are we not offering short term front loaded contracts to a couple players that will improve our team.

Why is it my duty to spell it out? These are all knowns.

The following poster replied that he loves how people get pissed that we don't sign every free agent, in an attempt to mock me... Don't try and mock someone if you are too lazy or unobservant to read the actual post. That to me is more insulting than writing STFU.

I keep seeing people post about the Niners being not active in FA because they are using the excuse that we are going to resign our core guys, yet I don't ever remember reading any such quote. I think it's something that was assumed by some posters, and then made fact by other posters, and is now the default exucse by fans that's used to bash the team for thier lack of activity.

The only excuse I saw at all about FA, that was made by the team, was that there weren't a lot of players available that were considerable upgrades over what we already have. Also the FA's do have a choice. The Niners are young at a lot of positions and that may prompt a FA to decide on a different team that's maybe not so young at said position, IE less threat to his job into the future.

Say what yah like, your intial post came off as whiney. After reading it I got the impression that it was a "whaaaa, they get all the new toys and we have none" followed by the protruding of the lower lip. If that wasn't your intent then maybe you should give your posts more thought before hitting "post this message"

Really the best FA's this season have been guys that were released.

This is my first post, but I wanted to chime in on this conversation. For those who are complaining that we aren't signing our own potential free agents or not giving them extensions, here is a great article that explains why. Chris Johnson and the 30% Rule

This is basically talking about Chris Johnson, but it applies to all potential free agents that are wanting extensions. I think it's a great read, and I do think it helps explain why guys like Willis, Gholdson, and V. Davis haven't been getting extended even though I believe they should.

Originally posted by silkyjohnson:

LOL!

Faneca is probably better than Iupati at this stage. And Okung is probably better than Davis. However, we will still crush them.


NFC WEST coming up!

Originally posted by 49oz2superbowl:
not that we needed Faneca, and he's seriously diminishing as a player... but it pains me to see the rest of the NFC West make moves to improve while we sit around and "resign our guys".... which we haven't done either.

wtf? Brown did good for the Cards last year. This is more like a depth signing.

Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:

Originally posted by 49oz2superbowl:

Originally posted by SolRebe1:

Originally posted by 49oz2superbowl:

Originally posted by Youngone:

Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:

Originally posted by 49oz2superbowl:
not that we needed Faneca, and he's seriously diminishing as a player... but it pains me to see the rest of the NFC West make moves to improve while we sit around and "resign our guys".... which we haven't done either.

Arizona let Rolle and Dansby walk (the 5th and 3rd best defensive players on their team respectively imo), trade for Kerry Rhodes (who is highly overrated and overpayed), and signed Derek Anderson who makes David Carr look like a hall of famer. Hardly "making moves to improve." Fanecca signing with Arizona is hardly a surprise considering two of his former coaches are coahes on the Cardinals. Will Fanneca help the run game? Undoubtedly but he's also a big liability in pass protection and I doubt he makes a significant difference in the Cardinals success at the end of the year.

The Seahwaks traded valuable picks for Charlie Whitehrst. Yes they had a great first 3 picks which steals practically fell in their laps. The Washington and White trades were savvy, however I bet you guys like Blount, Dixon, Dwyer and Scott could provide just as much value (all were power backs drafted in the 6th round with the exception of Blount). Leon Wshington could work out for them (if his leg heals which is a big if, that was a nasty injury), but it's hardly as if Seattle is making all kinds of moves.

St. Louis hasn't done s**t besides pretty much letting go of its best defensive player.

Seattle is still in rebuilding mode, Arizona is in a major transition and pinning it's hopes on party-boy Leinart and St. Louis is years away. Our moves in the draft (Two o-linemen, respected o-line coaches, Ginn trade) have in fact set us up to win now much more than the moves of our rivals, by dealing with our two biggest weaknesses last year, o-line and special teams.

Maybe you should sit down before I tell you this.....

Yes Arizona lost players, but they made the best moves possible to replace such players at a reasonable rate. Rolle and Dansby didn't deserve 2/3 of the money they signed for. They made moves to land Kherry Rhodes, Derek Anderson, Joey Porter, and Alen Faneca... got a STEAL in Brian Price and a great Dansby replacement in Daryl Washington. The 49ers are terrible at replacing free agents (see TO with Rashaun Woods, Jeff Garcia with Tim Rattay, Justin Smiley with David Baas/Chilo Rachal, Julian Peterson with Manny Lawson, Bryant Young with Kentwan Balmer).


I just wish we would do one or the other (resign our guys or bring aboard quality players at positions of need).

Did I miss something?

Blount signed with the Titans. But UDFA isn't a great area to point at. We went after players that there's no roster room for. We could've gotten guys like AJ Jefferson who could push for the 5th cb spot or guys like Tony Washington/Ciron Black who could push players like Wragge and Snyder for a roster spot. Or even a change of pace back. Jarret Brown has no chance at the 53 man roster with Smith, Carr, and Davis holding down three spots. Even Leroy Vann is a waste of a 53 man roster spot with players like Ted Ginn and Kyle Williams added. As much value as we pursued with our UDFA, they are all at spots where they are incredibly unlikely to make any worthwhile contribution besides hopefully landing on our PS (which they likely won't if they show enough in preseason).

Are you seriously b***hing about UDFA's?

This is one of the downsides of the internet. People have access to a s**t load of information which makes them think they are experts in the field. I just can't believe you are criticizing the Niners to nitpicking which UDFA's we should've signed.

The poster defended the niners moves by pointing towards UDFA, I didn't go there. Just saying position-wise, we could've targeted better areas for depth. We don't need 8 UDFA wr's.

Originally posted by TeambyTheBay:

Originally posted by 49oz2superbowl:
not that we needed Faneca, and he's seriously diminishing as a player... but it pains me to see the rest of the NFC West make moves to improve while we sit around and "resign our guys".... which we haven't done either.

wtf? Brown did good for the Cards last year. This is more like a depth signing.

You do realize that Levi Brown is not a left guard..... right?

You do realize that Alan Faneca is a left guard... right?

Originally posted by Dajanksta:

Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:
who care's he's old

Longterm nobody cares, nobody cared about Warner either due to his age, but even a year rental can be enough impact to keep you from winning the division and out of the playoffs. Left guard was arguably the cardinals greatest weakness. They signed a quality bandaid that will cover up that weakness.

[ Edited by 49oz2superbowl on Apr 29, 2010 at 19:13:06 ]

Originally posted by 49oz2superbowl:

Originally posted by TeambyTheBay:

Originally posted by 49oz2superbowl:
not that we needed Faneca, and he's seriously diminishing as a player... but it pains me to see the rest of the NFC West make moves to improve while we sit around and "resign our guys".... which we haven't done either.

wtf? Brown did good for the Cards last year. This is more like a depth signing.

You do realize that Levi Brown is not a left guard..... right?

You do realize that Alan Faneca is a left guard... right?

I mean, Wells, Reggie Wells. He played well last year. Levi Brown is pathetic.

there run game should be fierce! Luckily it plays to our D's strength!

Originally posted by j3xperience:
I have faith in Chilo and Mike to get it down at the guard position. No real reason to get a declining guard but rather two blossoming guards. Chilo needs to get his ish together.

Chilo needs to take some mean pills. It's all about search and destroy in the trenches.

I think I have some clips of him actually trying to negotiate a settlement while being pushed into the backfield.

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by RedWaltz24:

Originally posted by 49oz2superbowl:
not that we needed Faneca, and he's seriously diminishing as a player... but it pains me to see the rest of the NFC West make moves to improve while we sit around and "resign our guys".... which we haven't done either.

I guess that explains the Ginn trade.

I would rather us save money under the self-imposed budget the Niners have, rather than waste a ton of money on a declining G, especially since we still have youth at that position.

It is amazing. People complain if the Niners don't sign every FA that hits the market.

I swear some of you people blindly follow everything the Niners say or do (or don't do, to be more precise). You think everything they do is right and everything they don't do is also right.

All year long people have been b*tching about how we need O-Line help. We addressed it in the draft, but these guys are inexperienced youngsters who will need guidance. Not to mention Faneca >>>> Rachal and Baas, so he would be an upgrade despite his age and declining skills. A measly 1 year deal worth 2.5 mil is not going to break the bank, especially since this year is uncapped and the deal is short-term.

You people always want to bring up that "people get mad whenever we don't sign every free agent" bullsh*t, but when a signing makes sense, why the hell wouldn't people be upset when we didn't pull it off? He's better than what we have at RG (yes I know he is a LG) and he came relatively cheap on a one-year deal in an uncapped year. Your "people complain if the Niners don't sign every free agent that hits the market" comment is straight up LAME. This would have made sense. Now our sorry ass division rivals have gotten better while we sat around twiddling our thumbs like we did all offseason.

As if Faneca would have stiffed his old Pittsburgh coaches to come here to compete with a first round pick and a second round pick that the organization has high hopes for and will give every opportunity to succeed.