Would You Welcome T.O. Back to the 49ers?

eh, at this point i think hes useless. he isnt good anymore, and hes a big distraction for the team. plus didnt we learn our lesson the first time around that hes a locker room cancer? it would just be a gimmick.

i think people like the IDEA of signing Owens back, but hes not only an old has-been, but an old has-been who spit in this teams face the last time he was here, and basically called Bill Walsh an idiot for saying he has stone hands.

hes a bum, id rather give Jason Hill more playing time.

Originally posted by Niners99:
eh, at this point i think hes useless. he isnt good anymore, and hes a big distraction for the team. plus didnt we learn our lesson the first time around that hes a locker room cancer? it would just be a gimmick.

i think people like the IDEA of signing Owens back, but hes not only an old has-been, but an old has-been who spit in this teams face the last time he was here, and basically called Bill Walsh an idiot for saying he has stone hands.

hes a bum, id rather give Jason Hill more playing time.

really? he isnt good? He's useless? he had like 850 yards with no QB and no oline last year. That just shows the IQ of some people when it comes to players.

[ Edited by BMoore56 on Mar 25, 2010 at 04:23:45 ]

Originally posted by Niners99:
eh, at this point i think hes useless. he isnt good anymore, and hes a big distraction for the team. plus didnt we learn our lesson the first time around that hes a locker room cancer? it would just be a gimmick.

i think people like the IDEA of signing Owens back, but hes not only an old has-been, but an old has-been who spit in this teams face the last time he was here, and basically called Bill Walsh an idiot for saying he has stone hands.

hes a bum, id rather give Jason Hill more playing time.

Why is he a distraction? What he did was in the past. He wasn't a distraction in Buffalo, was he?

washed up

just imagine the media hype if we were to sign TO. we'll be all over sc and nfl net i'll never get tired of watching sport shows talk about us

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

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Originally posted by hondakillerzx:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Tru2RedNGold25:
no wonder why nobody wants to sign him

he still wants 5 mill per season
i would like for him to resign but for that kind of money.....

ESTA LOCO!!!!!!!!!!

So that's pretty much a 2 year $10 million dollar contract, which is about right for a veteran starter such as TO. Shoot look what they did for Brandon Jones, and I guarantee you Owens makes more of an impact than Jones next year.

Eh I'd rather draft a guy like Demaryius Thomas or Golden Tate but I'd welcome TO back, but that price is steep when you can find a guy in the draft who has more athleticism and better hands.

and is about 15 years younger. isnt T.O. like 38? he already has bad hands and a big mouth, put that together with his aging legs and i dont see why anyone would want this clown back. let him go to oakland so he'll be close enough to monitor and laugh at without damaging our team AGAIN and letting the younger guys develop

Yeah he's 35 turning 36 this year I think. He can still play, Smith is a better QB than either of the 2 clowns in Buffalo and TO put up 800 yards and 5 TDs with them so he could probably get 1000 yards with Smith at QB. On the other hand, a guy like DT would add some serious size and athleticism to our team and a guy like Tate would stretch the field.

i dont want T.O. taking snaps away from Crabs, Hill, Morgan or a promising rookie. ill take a rookie with upside over a mid 30's WR with baggage and absolutely no upside any day of the week. Tate would be awesome if he falls to our 2nd rounder but i doubt it. hopefully Dez falls a little in the draft and we get lucky and take him

T.O's upside is that he's better than Morgan, Hill, Jones. crabtree won't be affected he'll be the number 1

i wouldnt even say that. i think Hill and Morgan are both better than T.O. hopefully a better line will prove this. T.O. will not get the touches he desires here and he'll start to b***h and moan. Hill and Morgan are both faster than him and have better hands. its time to turn the page. taking snaps from developing players and giving them to a guy whos a season or two away from retirement is not a good idea. maybe QB is the only exception with that b*****d Brett Favre or a Montana situation in KC but QB's are different.

Disagree without any doubt. Terrell Owens commands much more respect on the field than both Hill and Morgan, shoot and even Brandon Jones. Terrell Owens last year had more yards and TD's than all three receivers I mentioned. Terrell Owens as a veteran receiver knows things on the field to help a QB like Smith and I'm pretty sure would help mentor the young ones for a year or two.

At 36 years old, Terrell Owens is still burning DB's for 98 yards!!!

thank you for responding for me

he does know veteran tricks and all that but hes just a bandaid, our problems all started because we let the team get too old without developing young talent (look at the current state of the seattle seahawks cuz theyre going through the same thing) and besides that, even tho buffalo was bad, they had one kind of offense in place all year long. we had a shape shifting offense that didnt solidify at all and we also changed QB's mid season and had the worst O-Line in the league. T.O. doesnt even get close to 800 yards on last years 49ers

Last time we went into the season with young receivers we went came out with a 2-14 record, then a 4-12 record the following year. Seattle's problems are injury plagued O-line and QB problems, they have more than capable receivers to burn our secondary day in and day out.

Regardless of Buffalo's offense and ours last year, main thing is TO produced under the worst conditions. Imagine if they didn't have TO, they would've been worst than 6-10, TO was the best thing they had on offense last season.

And I disagree, WE DID NOT HAVE THE WORST O-LINE LAST YEAR, we were/are ranked 22nd in the league. Our O-line only gave up 40 sacks last year, compared to Green Bay who is DEAD LAST with 51 sacks.

And your probably right, TO doesn't even get close to a 800 yards with the 9ers last year, cause that would've been Vernon Davis with 965, followed by Michael Crabtree with 625. And again you are overlooking the fact that TO would be brought in to relieve pressure off receivers not to come in and be our star receiver.

those receivers were not looked at as being potential pro-bowlers like crabtree and possibly morgan or dez bryant if we end up with him somehow. those receivers were battle, brandon lloyd, rashaun woods, derrick hamilton, pj fleck? those guys were no bodies and did not show any signs of getting better.

T.O. was the only thing they had last year, thats why his 800 yards are inflated. he was their whole s**tty offense. with us he wouldnt not even get close. so we would be wasting a spot on a guy who will be a non contributor, like bruce last year, d. jack and the rest of the old WR's we bring in for "experience" lately. maybe green bay had more sacks but rodgers sacked himself quite a few times last year with his scrambling. our line was probably on pace to be worse while hill was there but when smith came in and threw the ball away and avoided the rush a little better so the sacks went down. he was still rushed A LOT and didnt have too much time to throw, a problem that hopefully gets fixed ASAP.

bottom line is why bring in T.O. and pay him good money to be a 3rd or 4th receiver? especially when it takes a roster spot from someone who we could actually get better and at this point is cheaper. signing T.O. doesnt make too much sense to me.

And just because we have better talent now than we did at receiver in '04 and '05 you don't think they would like a veteran around them?? If you go and Google Miles Austin, he talks about how TO mentored him, and than how Jason Hill talked about how Isaac Bruce didn't talk to him. Either way, young receivers look up to veterans or past star receivers. I'm not saying Crabtree and the rest wouldn't succeed without TO, just that it would make them better and possibly take pressure off them.

And in Buffalo, why continue to down talk what TO did in Buffalo instead of praising him for producing with such a mess that they had in Buffalo for an offense. People say hes washed up, hes no threat, hes too old. But yet, he managed to be their leading receiver.

If TO were to sign here he would instantly become our #2 receiver, I don't doubt that at all.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:

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Originally posted by phatbutskinny:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:

Originally posted by phatbutskinny:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Tru2RedNGold25:
no wonder why nobody wants to sign him

he still wants 5 mill per season
i would like for him to resign but for that kind of money.....

ESTA LOCO!!!!!!!!!!

So that's pretty much a 2 year $10 million dollar contract, which is about right for a veteran starter such as TO. Shoot look what they did for Brandon Jones, and I guarantee you Owens makes more of an impact than Jones next year.

Eh I'd rather draft a guy like Demaryius Thomas or Golden Tate but I'd welcome TO back, but that price is steep when you can find a guy in the draft who has more athleticism and better hands.

and is about 15 years younger. isnt T.O. like 38? he already has bad hands and a big mouth, put that together with his aging legs and i dont see why anyone would want this clown back. let him go to oakland so he'll be close enough to monitor and laugh at without damaging our team AGAIN and letting the younger guys develop

Yeah he's 35 turning 36 this year I think. He can still play, Smith is a better QB than either of the 2 clowns in Buffalo and TO put up 800 yards and 5 TDs with them so he could probably get 1000 yards with Smith at QB. On the other hand, a guy like DT would add some serious size and athleticism to our team and a guy like Tate would stretch the field.

i dont want T.O. taking snaps away from Crabs, Hill, Morgan or a promising rookie. ill take a rookie with upside over a mid 30's WR with baggage and absolutely no upside any day of the week. Tate would be awesome if he falls to our 2nd rounder but i doubt it. hopefully Dez falls a little in the draft and we get lucky and take him

T.O's upside is that he's better than Morgan, Hill, Jones. crabtree won't be affected he'll be the number 1

i wouldnt even say that. i think Hill and Morgan are both better than T.O. hopefully a better line will prove this. T.O. will not get the touches he desires here and he'll start to b***h and moan. Hill and Morgan are both faster than him and have better hands. its time to turn the page. taking snaps from developing players and giving them to a guy whos a season or two away from retirement is not a good idea. maybe QB is the only exception with that b*****d Brett Favre or a Montana situation in KC but QB's are different.

Disagree without any doubt. Terrell Owens commands much more respect on the field than both Hill and Morgan, shoot and even Brandon Jones. Terrell Owens last year had more yards and TD's than all three receivers I mentioned. Terrell Owens as a veteran receiver knows things on the field to help a QB like Smith and I'm pretty sure would help mentor the young ones for a year or two.

At 36 years old, Terrell Owens is still burning DB's for 98 yards!!!

thank you for responding for me

he does know veteran tricks and all that but hes just a bandaid, our problems all started because we let the team get too old without developing young talent (look at the current state of the seattle seahawks cuz theyre going through the same thing) and besides that, even tho buffalo was bad, they had one kind of offense in place all year long. we had a shape shifting offense that didnt solidify at all and we also changed QB's mid season and had the worst O-Line in the league. T.O. doesnt even get close to 800 yards on last years 49ers

Last time we went into the season with young receivers we went came out with a 2-14 record, then a 4-12 record the following year. Seattle's problems are injury plagued O-line and QB problems, they have more than capable receivers to burn our secondary day in and day out.

Regardless of Buffalo's offense and ours last year, main thing is TO produced under the worst conditions. Imagine if they didn't have TO, they would've been worst than 6-10, TO was the best thing they had on offense last season.

And I disagree, WE DID NOT HAVE THE WORST O-LINE LAST YEAR, we were/are ranked 22nd in the league. Our O-line only gave up 40 sacks last year, compared to Green Bay who is DEAD LAST with 51 sacks.

And your probably right, TO doesn't even get close to a 800 yards with the 9ers last year, cause that would've been Vernon Davis with 965, followed by Michael Crabtree with 625. And again you are overlooking the fact that TO would be brought in to relieve pressure off receivers not to come in and be our star receiver.

those receivers were not looked at as being potential pro-bowlers like crabtree and possibly morgan or dez bryant if we end up with him somehow. those receivers were battle, brandon lloyd, rashaun woods, derrick hamilton, pj fleck? those guys were no bodies and did not show any signs of getting better.

T.O. was the only thing they had last year, thats why his 800 yards are inflated. he was their whole s**tty offense. with us he wouldnt not even get close. so we would be wasting a spot on a guy who will be a non contributor, like bruce last year, d. jack and the rest of the old WR's we bring in for "experience" lately. maybe green bay had more sacks but rodgers sacked himself quite a few times last year with his scrambling. our line was probably on pace to be worse while hill was there but when smith came in and threw the ball away and avoided the rush a little better so the sacks went down. he was still rushed A LOT and didnt have too much time to throw, a problem that hopefully gets fixed ASAP.

bottom line is why bring in T.O. and pay him good money to be a 3rd or 4th receiver? especially when it takes a roster spot from someone who we could actually get better and at this point is cheaper. signing T.O. doesnt make too much sense to me.

And just because we have better talent now than we did at receiver in '04 and '05 you don't think they would like a veteran around them?? If you go and Google Miles Austin, he talks about how TO mentored him, and than how Jason Hill talked about how Isaac Bruce didn't talk to him. Either way, young receivers look up to veterans or past star receivers. I'm not saying Crabtree and the rest wouldn't succeed without TO, just that it would make them better and possibly take pressure off them.

And in Buffalo, why continue to down talk what TO did in Buffalo instead of praising him for producing with such a mess that they had in Buffalo for an offense. People say hes washed up, hes no threat, hes too old. But yet, he managed to be their leading receiver.

If TO were to sign here he would instantly become our #2 receiver, I don't doubt that at all.

we dont need to waste a spot on a mentor. if they want a mentor rice said he would be happy to help and he wouldnt take a roster spot from someone who will help contribute years down the line. the mentor role is way overated, we've had a "mentor" WR almost every year and how great has our receiver corps been? VD is at the point in his career that he is a great mentor while still being a solid starter. he's had ups and downs and he got through it, thats knowledge that he can pass on. im not downplaying what he did in buffalo, good for him. im just saying he wouldnt have had that here with us, not even close. and i would hate him as our #2 playing over guys like morgan or hill. our problem has been not playing our younger guys and getting them involved, thats why our playmaking talent was crap until recently. if they dont get a shot to play and develop were just retarding our progress.

would love to see T.O. in a niners jersey again,plus T.O. would make us even better on offense.

sign him for a year or two and let him end his career here. im all for it.

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

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Originally posted by Kolohe:

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Originally posted by phatbutskinny:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:

Originally posted by phatbutskinny:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Tru2RedNGold25:
no wonder why nobody wants to sign him

he still wants 5 mill per season
i would like for him to resign but for that kind of money.....

ESTA LOCO!!!!!!!!!!

So that's pretty much a 2 year $10 million dollar contract, which is about right for a veteran starter such as TO. Shoot look what they did for Brandon Jones, and I guarantee you Owens makes more of an impact than Jones next year.

Eh I'd rather draft a guy like Demaryius Thomas or Golden Tate but I'd welcome TO back, but that price is steep when you can find a guy in the draft who has more athleticism and better hands.

and is about 15 years younger. isnt T.O. like 38? he already has bad hands and a big mouth, put that together with his aging legs and i dont see why anyone would want this clown back. let him go to oakland so he'll be close enough to monitor and laugh at without damaging our team AGAIN and letting the younger guys develop

Yeah he's 35 turning 36 this year I think. He can still play, Smith is a better QB than either of the 2 clowns in Buffalo and TO put up 800 yards and 5 TDs with them so he could probably get 1000 yards with Smith at QB. On the other hand, a guy like DT would add some serious size and athleticism to our team and a guy like Tate would stretch the field.

i dont want T.O. taking snaps away from Crabs, Hill, Morgan or a promising rookie. ill take a rookie with upside over a mid 30's WR with baggage and absolutely no upside any day of the week. Tate would be awesome if he falls to our 2nd rounder but i doubt it. hopefully Dez falls a little in the draft and we get lucky and take him

T.O's upside is that he's better than Morgan, Hill, Jones. crabtree won't be affected he'll be the number 1

i wouldnt even say that. i think Hill and Morgan are both better than T.O. hopefully a better line will prove this. T.O. will not get the touches he desires here and he'll start to b***h and moan. Hill and Morgan are both faster than him and have better hands. its time to turn the page. taking snaps from developing players and giving them to a guy whos a season or two away from retirement is not a good idea. maybe QB is the only exception with that b*****d Brett Favre or a Montana situation in KC but QB's are different.

Disagree without any doubt. Terrell Owens commands much more respect on the field than both Hill and Morgan, shoot and even Brandon Jones. Terrell Owens last year had more yards and TD's than all three receivers I mentioned. Terrell Owens as a veteran receiver knows things on the field to help a QB like Smith and I'm pretty sure would help mentor the young ones for a year or two.

At 36 years old, Terrell Owens is still burning DB's for 98 yards!!!

thank you for responding for me

he does know veteran tricks and all that but hes just a bandaid, our problems all started because we let the team get too old without developing young talent (look at the current state of the seattle seahawks cuz theyre going through the same thing) and besides that, even tho buffalo was bad, they had one kind of offense in place all year long. we had a shape shifting offense that didnt solidify at all and we also changed QB's mid season and had the worst O-Line in the league. T.O. doesnt even get close to 800 yards on last years 49ers

Last time we went into the season with young receivers we went came out with a 2-14 record, then a 4-12 record the following year. Seattle's problems are injury plagued O-line and QB problems, they have more than capable receivers to burn our secondary day in and day out.

Regardless of Buffalo's offense and ours last year, main thing is TO produced under the worst conditions. Imagine if they didn't have TO, they would've been worst than 6-10, TO was the best thing they had on offense last season.

And I disagree, WE DID NOT HAVE THE WORST O-LINE LAST YEAR, we were/are ranked 22nd in the league. Our O-line only gave up 40 sacks last year, compared to Green Bay who is DEAD LAST with 51 sacks.

And your probably right, TO doesn't even get close to a 800 yards with the 9ers last year, cause that would've been Vernon Davis with 965, followed by Michael Crabtree with 625. And again you are overlooking the fact that TO would be brought in to relieve pressure off receivers not to come in and be our star receiver.

those receivers were not looked at as being potential pro-bowlers like crabtree and possibly morgan or dez bryant if we end up with him somehow. those receivers were battle, brandon lloyd, rashaun woods, derrick hamilton, pj fleck? those guys were no bodies and did not show any signs of getting better.

T.O. was the only thing they had last year, thats why his 800 yards are inflated. he was their whole s**tty offense. with us he wouldnt not even get close. so we would be wasting a spot on a guy who will be a non contributor, like bruce last year, d. jack and the rest of the old WR's we bring in for "experience" lately. maybe green bay had more sacks but rodgers sacked himself quite a few times last year with his scrambling. our line was probably on pace to be worse while hill was there but when smith came in and threw the ball away and avoided the rush a little better so the sacks went down. he was still rushed A LOT and didnt have too much time to throw, a problem that hopefully gets fixed ASAP.

bottom line is why bring in T.O. and pay him good money to be a 3rd or 4th receiver? especially when it takes a roster spot from someone who we could actually get better and at this point is cheaper. signing T.O. doesnt make too much sense to me.

And just because we have better talent now than we did at receiver in '04 and '05 you don't think they would like a veteran around them?? If you go and Google Miles Austin, he talks about how TO mentored him, and than how Jason Hill talked about how Isaac Bruce didn't talk to him. Either way, young receivers look up to veterans or past star receivers. I'm not saying Crabtree and the rest wouldn't succeed without TO, just that it would make them better and possibly take pressure off them.

And in Buffalo, why continue to down talk what TO did in Buffalo instead of praising him for producing with such a mess that they had in Buffalo for an offense. People say hes washed up, hes no threat, hes too old. But yet, he managed to be their leading receiver.

If TO were to sign here he would instantly become our #2 receiver, I don't doubt that at all.

we dont need to waste a spot on a mentor. if they want a mentor rice said he would be happy to help and he wouldnt take a roster spot from someone who will help contribute years down the line. the mentor role is way overated, we've had a "mentor" WR almost every year and how great has our receiver corps been? VD is at the point in his career that he is a great mentor while still being a solid starter. he's had ups and downs and he got through it, thats knowledge that he can pass on. im not downplaying what he did in buffalo, good for him. im just saying he wouldnt have had that here with us, not even close. and i would hate him as our #2 playing over guys like morgan or hill. our problem has been not playing our younger guys and getting them involved, thats why our playmaking talent was crap until recently. if they dont get a shot to play and develop were just retarding our progress.

Yah, Rice could give him tips, but where will he be on gameday?? When TO can be there to help on the sidelines and in the game.

We had a mentor every year.....like who?? Bruce didn't talk to anyone, D-Jack some mentor he was, Antonio Bryant, well he was our leading receiver and I don't remember him mentoring anyone.

And your gonna tell me a TE is gonna show a receiver the ropes in terms of route running and how to play a DB??? LOL

And again, Morgan and Hill aren't scaring anyone. And I'd be willing to bet Morgan and Hill would LOVE to have TO on the team.

I'd like a link to the [bold]. How can you say that when we've constantly played Morgan, Crabtree and even got Hill involved more in 2008?? Lets also not forget the horrid QB and O-line play we've had over the years.

Funny how this debate is ending up. First it was, TO is washed up, headache, locker room cancer, to now hes gonna take reps from Morgan and Hill.

I can only think of how good he would be for our team and Alex Smith. Why don't you guys go and ask the Bills fans if he was ever their problem on offense??

Originally posted by BMoore56:

Originally posted by Niners99:
eh, at this point i think hes useless. he isnt good anymore, and hes a big distraction for the team. plus didnt we learn our lesson the first time around that hes a locker room cancer? it would just be a gimmick.

i think people like the IDEA of signing Owens back, but hes not only an old has-been, but an old has-been who spit in this teams face the last time he was here, and basically called Bill Walsh an idiot for saying he has stone hands.

hes a bum, id rather give Jason Hill more playing time.

really? he isnt good? He's useless? he had like 850 yards with no QB and no oline last year. That just shows the IQ of some people when it comes to players.

youre right! because WE have a great OL and a great.....qb......oh wait.

Owens is washed up. did you even watch him play last year? no, you didnt. if you did, you wouldve seen his diminished skills. theres a reason Buffalo said "yeah dont come back".

dont question my IQ because youre ignorant of the facts. the bulk of his yards came in a few big games (like a 197 yd game), and he led the league in drops among WR's. plus he will turn 37 during the upcoming season. you really want to go down that road again? come on.

lets look at the game log:

2 for 46
3 for 52
0 for 0
3 for 60
4 for 44
3 for 13
3 for 27
5 for 39
3 for 85 including a 46 yd catch
9 for 197 including a 98 yd catch
5 for 96 including a 51 yd catch
3 for 31
2 for 15
2 for 20
4 for 39
4 for 65



if you want any part of a 37 year old crybaby that drops everything for an inflated salary, maybe YOU have the IQ issue.

[ Edited by Niners99 on Mar 30, 2010 at 02:44:05 ]

I've said before I would be open to T.O coming back if he accepts a role as a complimentary player ..VD, Gore and Crabs are going to be the Big 3 in our offense, and I'm sure it wouldnt take long for T.O to start complaining about not getting enough touches and ruin all locker room chemistry...

With that said I believe T.O could help our offense, but his ego would get in the way adn he can not refrain from keeping his diva act in check

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

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Originally posted by phatbutskinny:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

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Originally posted by phatbutskinny:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Tru2RedNGold25:
no wonder why nobody wants to sign him

he still wants 5 mill per season
i would like for him to resign but for that kind of money.....

ESTA LOCO!!!!!!!!!!

So that's pretty much a 2 year $10 million dollar contract, which is about right for a veteran starter such as TO. Shoot look what they did for Brandon Jones, and I guarantee you Owens makes more of an impact than Jones next year.

Eh I'd rather draft a guy like Demaryius Thomas or Golden Tate but I'd welcome TO back, but that price is steep when you can find a guy in the draft who has more athleticism and better hands.

and is about 15 years younger. isnt T.O. like 38? he already has bad hands and a big mouth, put that together with his aging legs and i dont see why anyone would want this clown back. let him go to oakland so he'll be close enough to monitor and laugh at without damaging our team AGAIN and letting the younger guys develop

Yeah he's 35 turning 36 this year I think. He can still play, Smith is a better QB than either of the 2 clowns in Buffalo and TO put up 800 yards and 5 TDs with them so he could probably get 1000 yards with Smith at QB. On the other hand, a guy like DT would add some serious size and athleticism to our team and a guy like Tate would stretch the field.

i dont want T.O. taking snaps away from Crabs, Hill, Morgan or a promising rookie. ill take a rookie with upside over a mid 30's WR with baggage and absolutely no upside any day of the week. Tate would be awesome if he falls to our 2nd rounder but i doubt it. hopefully Dez falls a little in the draft and we get lucky and take him

T.O's upside is that he's better than Morgan, Hill, Jones. crabtree won't be affected he'll be the number 1

i wouldnt even say that. i think Hill and Morgan are both better than T.O. hopefully a better line will prove this. T.O. will not get the touches he desires here and he'll start to b***h and moan. Hill and Morgan are both faster than him and have better hands. its time to turn the page. taking snaps from developing players and giving them to a guy whos a season or two away from retirement is not a good idea. maybe QB is the only exception with that b*****d Brett Favre or a Montana situation in KC but QB's are different.

Disagree without any doubt. Terrell Owens commands much more respect on the field than both Hill and Morgan, shoot and even Brandon Jones. Terrell Owens last year had more yards and TD's than all three receivers I mentioned. Terrell Owens as a veteran receiver knows things on the field to help a QB like Smith and I'm pretty sure would help mentor the young ones for a year or two.

At 36 years old, Terrell Owens is still burning DB's for 98 yards!!!

thank you for responding for me

he does know veteran tricks and all that but hes just a bandaid, our problems all started because we let the team get too old without developing young talent (look at the current state of the seattle seahawks cuz theyre going through the same thing) and besides that, even tho buffalo was bad, they had one kind of offense in place all year long. we had a shape shifting offense that didnt solidify at all and we also changed QB's mid season and had the worst O-Line in the league. T.O. doesnt even get close to 800 yards on last years 49ers

Last time we went into the season with young receivers we went came out with a 2-14 record, then a 4-12 record the following year. Seattle's problems are injury plagued O-line and QB problems, they have more than capable receivers to burn our secondary day in and day out.

Regardless of Buffalo's offense and ours last year, main thing is TO produced under the worst conditions. Imagine if they didn't have TO, they would've been worst than 6-10, TO was the best thing they had on offense last season.

And I disagree, WE DID NOT HAVE THE WORST O-LINE LAST YEAR, we were/are ranked 22nd in the league. Our O-line only gave up 40 sacks last year, compared to Green Bay who is DEAD LAST with 51 sacks.

And your probably right, TO doesn't even get close to a 800 yards with the 9ers last year, cause that would've been Vernon Davis with 965, followed by Michael Crabtree with 625. And again you are overlooking the fact that TO would be brought in to relieve pressure off receivers not to come in and be our star receiver.

those receivers were not looked at as being potential pro-bowlers like crabtree and possibly morgan or dez bryant if we end up with him somehow. those receivers were battle, brandon lloyd, rashaun woods, derrick hamilton, pj fleck? those guys were no bodies and did not show any signs of getting better.

T.O. was the only thing they had last year, thats why his 800 yards are inflated. he was their whole s**tty offense. with us he wouldnt not even get close. so we would be wasting a spot on a guy who will be a non contributor, like bruce last year, d. jack and the rest of the old WR's we bring in for "experience" lately. maybe green bay had more sacks but rodgers sacked himself quite a few times last year with his scrambling. our line was probably on pace to be worse while hill was there but when smith came in and threw the ball away and avoided the rush a little better so the sacks went down. he was still rushed A LOT and didnt have too much time to throw, a problem that hopefully gets fixed ASAP.

bottom line is why bring in T.O. and pay him good money to be a 3rd or 4th receiver? especially when it takes a roster spot from someone who we could actually get better and at this point is cheaper. signing T.O. doesnt make too much sense to me.

And just because we have better talent now than we did at receiver in '04 and '05 you don't think they would like a veteran around them?? If you go and Google Miles Austin, he talks about how TO mentored him, and than how Jason Hill talked about how Isaac Bruce didn't talk to him. Either way, young receivers look up to veterans or past star receivers. I'm not saying Crabtree and the rest wouldn't succeed without TO, just that it would make them better and possibly take pressure off them.

And in Buffalo, why continue to down talk what TO did in Buffalo instead of praising him for producing with such a mess that they had in Buffalo for an offense. People say hes washed up, hes no threat, hes too old. But yet, he managed to be their leading receiver.

If TO were to sign here he would instantly become our #2 receiver, I don't doubt that at all.

we dont need to waste a spot on a mentor. if they want a mentor rice said he would be happy to help and he wouldnt take a roster spot from someone who will help contribute years down the line. the mentor role is way overated, we've had a "mentor" WR almost every year and how great has our receiver corps been? VD is at the point in his career that he is a great mentor while still being a solid starter. he's had ups and downs and he got through it, thats knowledge that he can pass on. im not downplaying what he did in buffalo, good for him. im just saying he wouldnt have had that here with us, not even close. and i would hate him as our #2 playing over guys like morgan or hill. our problem has been not playing our younger guys and getting them involved, thats why our playmaking talent was crap until recently. if they dont get a shot to play and develop were just retarding our progress.

Yah, Rice could give him tips, but where will he be on gameday?? When TO can be there to help on the sidelines and in the game.

We had a mentor every year.....like who?? Bruce didn't talk to anyone, D-Jack some mentor he was, Antonio Bryant, well he was our leading receiver and I don't remember him mentoring anyone.

And your gonna tell me a TE is gonna show a receiver the ropes in terms of route running and how to play a DB??? LOL

And again, Morgan and Hill aren't scaring anyone. And I'd be willing to bet Morgan and Hill would LOVE to have TO on the team.

I'd like a link to the [bold]. How can you say that when we've constantly played Morgan, Crabtree and even got Hill involved more in 2008?? Lets also not forget the horrid QB and O-line play we've had over the years.

Funny how this debate is ending up. First it was, TO is washed up, headache, locker room cancer, to now hes gonna take reps from Morgan and Hill.

I can only think of how good he would be for our team and Alex Smith. Why don't you guys go and ask the Bills fans if he was ever their problem on offense??

hahaha dude rice's advice in a phone call>>>>>>> anything T.O. could ever tell or show them. no comparison.

all of those people you listed were supposedly brought in as the older experienced WR that would help mentor our guys and you just answered your own question, how much did they help? none!!! why would T.O. with his inflated ego be a better mentor than Bruce was? bruce ran better routes last year than T.O. ever did in his prime.

if they need someone to tell them how to run routes they need to invest in a better coach and not a mentor. the coach is the one who teaches routes. i was talking about team leadership with vernon, he can keep people on the right path since he was skooled and has been a model citizen and singletary's top disciple ever since.

ya im sure they would be ecstatic to see owens come in and take playing time from them. i would love someone coming in and taking my job too morgan deserves playing time because hes young, has talent and looks to get better, same with Jason Hill but for some reason he was in the doghouse last year. T.O. has zero upside and only takes away from these guys and other young players development.

he's a 37 year old pain in the ass who f**ked our team up once, then went on to f**k up a few more teams. he wasnt in buffalo long enough to cause major problems. if he was 8 or 9 years younger it would make a little bit of sense but to plug him in for a year and take snaps from our young guys is not a good idea.

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no wonder why nobody wants to sign him

he still wants 5 mill per season
i would like for him to resign but for that kind of money.....

ESTA LOCO!!!!!!!!!!

So that's pretty much a 2 year $10 million dollar contract, which is about right for a veteran starter such as TO. Shoot look what they did for Brandon Jones, and I guarantee you Owens makes more of an impact than Jones next year.

Eh I'd rather draft a guy like Demaryius Thomas or Golden Tate but I'd welcome TO back, but that price is steep when you can find a guy in the draft who has more athleticism and better hands.

and is about 15 years younger. isnt T.O. like 38? he already has bad hands and a big mouth, put that together with his aging legs and i dont see why anyone would want this clown back. let him go to oakland so he'll be close enough to monitor and laugh at without damaging our team AGAIN and letting the younger guys develop

Yeah he's 35 turning 36 this year I think. He can still play, Smith is a better QB than either of the 2 clowns in Buffalo and TO put up 800 yards and 5 TDs with them so he could probably get 1000 yards with Smith at QB. On the other hand, a guy like DT would add some serious size and athleticism to our team and a guy like Tate would stretch the field.

i dont want T.O. taking snaps away from Crabs, Hill, Morgan or a promising rookie. ill take a rookie with upside over a mid 30's WR with baggage and absolutely no upside any day of the week. Tate would be awesome if he falls to our 2nd rounder but i doubt it. hopefully Dez falls a little in the draft and we get lucky and take him

T.O's upside is that he's better than Morgan, Hill, Jones. crabtree won't be affected he'll be the number 1

i wouldnt even say that. i think Hill and Morgan are both better than T.O. hopefully a better line will prove this. T.O. will not get the touches he desires here and he'll start to b***h and moan. Hill and Morgan are both faster than him and have better hands. its time to turn the page. taking snaps from developing players and giving them to a guy whos a season or two away from retirement is not a good idea. maybe QB is the only exception with that b*****d Brett Favre or a Montana situation in KC but QB's are different.

Disagree without any doubt. Terrell Owens commands much more respect on the field than both Hill and Morgan, shoot and even Brandon Jones. Terrell Owens last year had more yards and TD's than all three receivers I mentioned. Terrell Owens as a veteran receiver knows things on the field to help a QB like Smith and I'm pretty sure would help mentor the young ones for a year or two.

At 36 years old, Terrell Owens is still burning DB's for 98 yards!!!

thank you for responding for me

he does know veteran tricks and all that but hes just a bandaid, our problems all started because we let the team get too old without developing young talent (look at the current state of the seattle seahawks cuz theyre going through the same thing) and besides that, even tho buffalo was bad, they had one kind of offense in place all year long. we had a shape shifting offense that didnt solidify at all and we also changed QB's mid season and had the worst O-Line in the league. T.O. doesnt even get close to 800 yards on last years 49ers

Last time we went into the season with young receivers we went came out with a 2-14 record, then a 4-12 record the following year. Seattle's problems are injury plagued O-line and QB problems, they have more than capable receivers to burn our secondary day in and day out.

Regardless of Buffalo's offense and ours last year, main thing is TO produced under the worst conditions. Imagine if they didn't have TO, they would've been worst than 6-10, TO was the best thing they had on offense last season.

And I disagree, WE DID NOT HAVE THE WORST O-LINE LAST YEAR, we were/are ranked 22nd in the league. Our O-line only gave up 40 sacks last year, compared to Green Bay who is DEAD LAST with 51 sacks.

And your probably right, TO doesn't even get close to a 800 yards with the 9ers last year, cause that would've been Vernon Davis with 965, followed by Michael Crabtree with 625. And again you are overlooking the fact that TO would be brought in to relieve pressure off receivers not to come in and be our star receiver.

those receivers were not looked at as being potential pro-bowlers like crabtree and possibly morgan or dez bryant if we end up with him somehow. those receivers were battle, brandon lloyd, rashaun woods, derrick hamilton, pj fleck? those guys were no bodies and did not show any signs of getting better.

T.O. was the only thing they had last year, thats why his 800 yards are inflated. he was their whole s**tty offense. with us he wouldnt not even get close. so we would be wasting a spot on a guy who will be a non contributor, like bruce last year, d. jack and the rest of the old WR's we bring in for "experience" lately. maybe green bay had more sacks but rodgers sacked himself quite a few times last year with his scrambling. our line was probably on pace to be worse while hill was there but when smith came in and threw the ball away and avoided the rush a little better so the sacks went down. he was still rushed A LOT and didnt have too much time to throw, a problem that hopefully gets fixed ASAP.

bottom line is why bring in T.O. and pay him good money to be a 3rd or 4th receiver? especially when it takes a roster spot from someone who we could actually get better and at this point is cheaper. signing T.O. doesnt make too much sense to me.

And just because we have better talent now than we did at receiver in '04 and '05 you don't think they would like a veteran around them?? If you go and Google Miles Austin, he talks about how TO mentored him, and than how Jason Hill talked about how Isaac Bruce didn't talk to him. Either way, young receivers look up to veterans or past star receivers. I'm not saying Crabtree and the rest wouldn't succeed without TO, just that it would make them better and possibly take pressure off them.

And in Buffalo, why continue to down talk what TO did in Buffalo instead of praising him for producing with such a mess that they had in Buffalo for an offense. People say hes washed up, hes no threat, hes too old. But yet, he managed to be their leading receiver.

If TO were to sign here he would instantly become our #2 receiver, I don't doubt that at all.

we dont need to waste a spot on a mentor. if they want a mentor rice said he would be happy to help and he wouldnt take a roster spot from someone who will help contribute years down the line. the mentor role is way overated, we've had a "mentor" WR almost every year and how great has our receiver corps been? VD is at the point in his career that he is a great mentor while still being a solid starter. he's had ups and downs and he got through it, thats knowledge that he can pass on. im not downplaying what he did in buffalo, good for him. im just saying he wouldnt have had that here with us, not even close. and i would hate him as our #2 playing over guys like morgan or hill. our problem has been not playing our younger guys and getting them involved, thats why our playmaking talent was crap until recently. if they dont get a shot to play and develop were just retarding our progress.

Yah, Rice could give him tips, but where will he be on gameday?? When TO can be there to help on the sidelines and in the game.

We had a mentor every year.....like who?? Bruce didn't talk to anyone, D-Jack some mentor he was, Antonio Bryant, well he was our leading receiver and I don't remember him mentoring anyone.

And your gonna tell me a TE is gonna show a receiver the ropes in terms of route running and how to play a DB??? LOL

And again, Morgan and Hill aren't scaring anyone. And I'd be willing to bet Morgan and Hill would LOVE to have TO on the team.

I'd like a link to the [bold]. How can you say that when we've constantly played Morgan, Crabtree and even got Hill involved more in 2008?? Lets also not forget the horrid QB and O-line play we've had over the years.

Funny how this debate is ending up. First it was, TO is washed up, headache, locker room cancer, to now hes gonna take reps from Morgan and Hill.

I can only think of how good he would be for our team and Alex Smith. Why don't you guys go and ask the Bills fans if he was ever their problem on offense??

hahaha dude rice's advice in a phone call>>>>>>> anything T.O. could ever tell or show them. no comparison.

all of those people you listed were supposedly brought in as the older experienced WR that would help mentor our guys and you just answered your own question, how much did they help? none!!! why would T.O. with his inflated ego be a better mentor than Bruce was? bruce ran better routes last year than T.O. ever did in his prime.

if they need someone to tell them how to run routes they need to invest in a better coach and not a mentor. the coach is the one who teaches routes. i was talking about team leadership with vernon, he can keep people on the right path since he was skooled and has been a model citizen and singletary's top disciple ever since.

ya im sure they would be ecstatic to see owens come in and take playing time from them. i would love someone coming in and taking my job too morgan deserves playing time because hes young, has talent and looks to get better, same with Jason Hill but for some reason he was in the doghouse last year. T.O. has zero upside and only takes away from these guys and other young players development.

he's a 37 year old pain in the ass who f**ked our team up once, then went on to f**k up a few more teams. he wasnt in buffalo long enough to cause major problems. if he was 8 or 9 years younger it would make a little bit of sense but to plug him in for a year and take snaps from our young guys is not a good idea.

Like they're gonna call Rice on his cell every time they have a problem, c'mon man stop kidding yourself.

And how did I answer my own question, I was only answering yours. You said we had a mentor every year....no we didn't all we had or added was veteran receivers who came to get theirs. And every time we added a veteran receiver he always led the team in receptions, excluding last year or course. But again, like I said which your overlooking, bringing in TO would be just to HELP our offense. You mean to tell me adding TO would not help at all???

Have you ever played football?? Then you would know that teammates help each not just your coach. Veterans passing on knowledge is something that cycles in the NFL, you should try thinking outside the box for once.

And you don't know if Morgan or Hill would be upset or not with TO coming in, so cancel that assumption. And again, Morgan and Hill are average at best and don't command any respect in the league right now, that TO has. Morgan and Hill's careers are still tipping off, TO's is almost over. LOL TO has zero upside, you maybe right, but he would certainly come in and OWN the #2 spot at receiver.

And you can bring up, if and's, what if's and blah blah blah, but the fact of the matter is, he wasn't a head case in Buffalo. Change has to start somewhere.

I'm done with this conversation, its nothing but bickering from here on out. Later!!!

All I gotta say is...I'm really sad to see this guy now as the "has-been". He was (arguably) the most dominant WR this decade. It was nice to have him for the first half. Really wished it could of worked out for the whole thing. Dude was AWESOME!


I still think that he can produce for another year or two. But...the Niners have WAY too many young guys that need to see the field...Crabtree, Morgan, Hill, Jones.

Just no room here.