Would You Welcome T.O. Back to the 49ers? | Page 33

PTulini · 2009-12-13T00:57:37-08:00

T.O Doesn't Rule Out a Return to the 49ers...[ Edited by PTulini on Dec 13, 2009 at 01:01:32 ]

Originally posted by Kolohe:
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Originally posted by Tru2RedNGold25:
no wonder why nobody wants to sign him

he still wants 5 mill per season
i would like for him to resign but for that kind of money.....

ESTA LOCO!!!!!!!!!!

So that's pretty much a 2 year $10 million dollar contract, which is about right for a veteran starter such as TO. Shoot look what they did for Brandon Jones, and I guarantee you Owens makes more of an impact than Jones next year.

Eh I'd rather draft a guy like Demaryius Thomas or Golden Tate but I'd welcome TO back, but that price is steep when you can find a guy in the draft who has more athleticism and better hands.

and is about 15 years younger. isnt T.O. like 38? he already has bad hands and a big mouth, put that together with his aging legs and i dont see why anyone would want this clown back. let him go to oakland so he'll be close enough to monitor and laugh at without damaging our team AGAIN and letting the younger guys develop

Yeah he's 35 turning 36 this year I think. He can still play, Smith is a better QB than either of the 2 clowns in Buffalo and TO put up 800 yards and 5 TDs with them so he could probably get 1000 yards with Smith at QB. On the other hand, a guy like DT would add some serious size and athleticism to our team and a guy like Tate would stretch the field.

i dont want T.O. taking snaps away from Crabs, Hill, Morgan or a promising rookie. ill take a rookie with upside over a mid 30's WR with baggage and absolutely no upside any day of the week. Tate would be awesome if he falls to our 2nd rounder but i doubt it. hopefully Dez falls a little in the draft and we get lucky and take him

T.O's upside is that he's better than Morgan, Hill, Jones. crabtree won't be affected he'll be the number 1

i wouldnt even say that. i think Hill and Morgan are both better than T.O. hopefully a better line will prove this. T.O. will not get the touches he desires here and he'll start to b***h and moan. Hill and Morgan are both faster than him and have better hands. its time to turn the page. taking snaps from developing players and giving them to a guy whos a season or two away from retirement is not a good idea. maybe QB is the only exception with that b*****d Brett Favre or a Montana situation in KC but QB's are different.

Disagree without any doubt. Terrell Owens commands much more respect on the field than both Hill and Morgan, shoot and even Brandon Jones. Terrell Owens last year had more yards and TD's than all three receivers I mentioned. Terrell Owens as a veteran receiver knows things on the field to help a QB like Smith and I'm pretty sure would help mentor the young ones for a year or two.

At 36 years old, Terrell Owens is still burning DB's for 98 yards!!!

thank you for responding for me

he does know veteran tricks and all that but hes just a bandaid, our problems all started because we let the team get too old without developing young talent (look at the current state of the seattle seahawks cuz theyre going through the same thing) and besides that, even tho buffalo was bad, they had one kind of offense in place all year long. we had a shape shifting offense that didnt solidify at all and we also changed QB's mid season and had the worst O-Line in the league. T.O. doesnt even get close to 800 yards on last years 49ers

Last time we went into the season with young receivers we went came out with a 2-14 record, then a 4-12 record the following year. Seattle's problems are injury plagued O-line and QB problems, they have more than capable receivers to burn our secondary day in and day out.

Regardless of Buffalo's offense and ours last year, main thing is TO produced under the worst conditions. Imagine if they didn't have TO, they would've been worst than 6-10, TO was the best thing they had on offense last season.

And I disagree, WE DID NOT HAVE THE WORST O-LINE LAST YEAR, we were/are ranked 22nd in the league. Our O-line only gave up 40 sacks last year, compared to Green Bay who is DEAD LAST with 51 sacks.

And your probably right, TO doesn't even get close to a 800 yards with the 9ers last year, cause that would've been Vernon Davis with 965, followed by Michael Crabtree with 625. And again you are overlooking the fact that TO would be brought in to relieve pressure off receivers not to come in and be our star receiver.

those receivers were not looked at as being potential pro-bowlers like crabtree and possibly morgan or dez bryant if we end up with him somehow. those receivers were battle, brandon lloyd, rashaun woods, derrick hamilton, pj fleck? those guys were no bodies and did not show any signs of getting better.

T.O. was the only thing they had last year, thats why his 800 yards are inflated. he was their whole s**tty offense. with us he wouldnt not even get close. so we would be wasting a spot on a guy who will be a non contributor, like bruce last year, d. jack and the rest of the old WR's we bring in for "experience" lately. maybe green bay had more sacks but rodgers sacked himself quite a few times last year with his scrambling. our line was probably on pace to be worse while hill was there but when smith came in and threw the ball away and avoided the rush a little better so the sacks went down. he was still rushed A LOT and didnt have too much time to throw, a problem that hopefully gets fixed ASAP.

bottom line is why bring in T.O. and pay him good money to be a 3rd or 4th receiver? especially when it takes a roster spot from someone who we could actually get better and at this point is cheaper. signing T.O. doesnt make too much sense to me.

And just because we have better talent now than we did at receiver in '04 and '05 you don't think they would like a veteran around them?? If you go and Google Miles Austin, he talks about how TO mentored him, and than how Jason Hill talked about how Isaac Bruce didn't talk to him. Either way, young receivers look up to veterans or past star receivers. I'm not saying Crabtree and the rest wouldn't succeed without TO, just that it would make them better and possibly take pressure off them.

And in Buffalo, why continue to down talk what TO did in Buffalo instead of praising him for producing with such a mess that they had in Buffalo for an offense. People say hes washed up, hes no threat, hes too old. But yet, he managed to be their leading receiver.

If TO were to sign here he would instantly become our #2 receiver, I don't doubt that at all.

we dont need to waste a spot on a mentor. if they want a mentor rice said he would be happy to help and he wouldnt take a roster spot from someone who will help contribute years down the line. the mentor role is way overated, we've had a "mentor" WR almost every year and how great has our receiver corps been? VD is at the point in his career that he is a great mentor while still being a solid starter. he's had ups and downs and he got through it, thats knowledge that he can pass on. im not downplaying what he did in buffalo, good for him. im just saying he wouldnt have had that here with us, not even close. and i would hate him as our #2 playing over guys like morgan or hill. our problem has been not playing our younger guys and getting them involved, thats why our playmaking talent was crap until recently. if they dont get a shot to play and develop were just retarding our progress.

Yah, Rice could give him tips, but where will he be on gameday?? When TO can be there to help on the sidelines and in the game.

We had a mentor every year.....like who?? Bruce didn't talk to anyone, D-Jack some mentor he was, Antonio Bryant, well he was our leading receiver and I don't remember him mentoring anyone.

And your gonna tell me a TE is gonna show a receiver the ropes in terms of route running and how to play a DB??? LOL

And again, Morgan and Hill aren't scaring anyone. And I'd be willing to bet Morgan and Hill would LOVE to have TO on the team.

I'd like a link to the [bold]. How can you say that when we've constantly played Morgan, Crabtree and even got Hill involved more in 2008?? Lets also not forget the horrid QB and O-line play we've had over the years.

Funny how this debate is ending up. First it was, TO is washed up, headache, locker room cancer, to now hes gonna take reps from Morgan and Hill.

I can only think of how good he would be for our team and Alex Smith. Why don't you guys go and ask the Bills fans if he was ever their problem on offense??

hahaha dude rice's advice in a phone call>>>>>>> anything T.O. could ever tell or show them. no comparison.

all of those people you listed were supposedly brought in as the older experienced WR that would help mentor our guys and you just answered your own question, how much did they help? none!!! why would T.O. with his inflated ego be a better mentor than Bruce was? bruce ran better routes last year than T.O. ever did in his prime.

if they need someone to tell them how to run routes they need to invest in a better coach and not a mentor. the coach is the one who teaches routes. i was talking about team leadership with vernon, he can keep people on the right path since he was skooled and has been a model citizen and singletary's top disciple ever since.

ya im sure they would be ecstatic to see owens come in and take playing time from them. i would love someone coming in and taking my job too morgan deserves playing time because hes young, has talent and looks to get better, same with Jason Hill but for some reason he was in the doghouse last year. T.O. has zero upside and only takes away from these guys and other young players development.

he's a 37 year old pain in the ass who f**ked our team up once, then went on to f**k up a few more teams. he wasnt in buffalo long enough to cause major problems. if he was 8 or 9 years younger it would make a little bit of sense but to plug him in for a year and take snaps from our young guys is not a good idea.

Like they're gonna call Rice on his cell every time they have a problem, c'mon man stop kidding yourself.

And how did I answer my own question, I was only answering yours. You said we had a mentor every year....no we didn't all we had or added was veteran receivers who came to get theirs. And every time we added a veteran receiver he always led the team in receptions, excluding last year or course. But again, like I said which your overlooking, bringing in TO would be just to HELP our offense. You mean to tell me adding TO would not help at all???

Have you ever played football?? Then you would know that teammates help each not just your coach. Veterans passing on knowledge is something that cycles in the NFL, you should try thinking outside the box for once.

And you don't know if Morgan or Hill would be upset or not with TO coming in, so cancel that assumption. And again, Morgan and Hill are average at best and don't command any respect in the league right now, that TO has. Morgan and Hill's careers are still tipping off, TO's is almost over. LOL TO has zero upside, you maybe right, but he would certainly come in and OWN the #2 spot at receiver.

And you can bring up, if and's, what if's and blah blah blah, but the fact of the matter is, he wasn't a head case in Buffalo. Change has to start somewhere.

I'm done with this conversation, its nothing but bickering from here on out. Later!!!

whatever you say sweetheart. so happy your not GM. saying T.O. would come in and mentor, how do u know that? whos to say he doesnt do just like bruce did and not help anyone? whatever, i dont care. were not gonna agree so im gonna drop it

Originally posted by matt49er:
Originally posted by ninerfaithful80:
I would welcome him back for sure! I still do regret when old Bill Walsh didnt trade him to the redskins for two 1st back in that draft when we drafted Julian Peterson and Ahmed Plummer. They had pick #2 and 3! Do you all remember this? Man imagine how different our team could have been in that deep draft. Redskins ended up picking Chris Samuels and Lavar Arrington

I never heard this ever, sounds like the Skins to offer 2 first round picks for a WR. Why would any team on Earth pass that up? Both the #2 and #3 picks? Maybe we didn't want to invest that much $$$. If that was the case we still should have took it and flipped one of the picks.

Can anyone else validate this?

It was most likely the potential cap hits. In the year 2000 a #2/#3 would have (individually) made at least 13-14 million within the first 12 months of their contract, and this was also around the time we were beginning to reach the threshold of our tumultuous cap hell.

Bill Walsh was facing the type of situation (with cap/roster sacrifices) no GM would have been able to succeed around, yet we somehow managed a wildcard win out of it before everything went to complete s**t!