Originally posted by NinerGM: I know, I know.... another Alex Smith thread, but I think this needs to be said particularly with such a classic example for all to reference.
The 49ers would be idiots (like AJ Smith, GM of the Chargers) for cutting a QB before finding out everything he could bring to the table. You think Charger fans feel absolutely horrible right now? You bet. This is why I think the 49ers can't follow the Chargers' example - and doing so would be the equivalent to cutting Smith a QB we know very little about in terms what he can do with a viable offense and a good defense.
Am I saying that Smith is a Super Bowl QB? Possible. As Steve Young said "his body of work is incomplete." The worst thing we could do is cut a player we would only watch to do well in another system with another team.
Imagine if your a Charger fan tonight.
Go Niners!
Drew Brees = Swagger and Accuracy
Alex Smith = none of the above.
Turnovers are the big problem for Smith, he needs to improve in that area this season, or else he is done here.
Originally posted by waiting4number6: Because he's a decent backup.
Right now Smith is a great backup and an average starter. As a starter he has not yet hit his ceiling so I see no reason to go with anyone else.
Even if Smith did hit a ceiling this year (which he didn't) there is not much the 9ers can do. They can't start a rookie as the 07 version of Smith is better than a rookie. Davis is a project and hasn't throw a pass in the regular season. Who knows what to expect from him. Some people on this board are fine with giving Davis the ball but I'm not.
That's why we need to sign somebody in FA or get someone in a trade at the QB spot who can actually play.
Originally posted by waiting4number6: Because he's a decent backup.
Right now Smith is a great backup and an average starter. As a starter he has not yet hit his ceiling so I see no reason to go with anyone else.
Even if Smith did hit a ceiling this year (which he didn't) there is not much the 9ers can do. They can't start a rookie as the 07 version of Smith is better than a rookie. Davis is a project and hasn't throw a pass in the regular season. Who knows what to expect from him. Some people on this board are fine with giving Davis the ball but I'm not.
That's why we need to sign somebody in FA or get someone in a trade at the QB spot who can actually play.
1. There's nobody decent in FA
2. Nobody wants to trade a good QB
Originally posted by waiting4number6: Because he's a decent backup.
Right now Smith is a great backup and an average starter. As a starter he has not yet hit his ceiling so I see no reason to go with anyone else.
Even if Smith did hit a ceiling this year (which he didn't) there is not much the 9ers can do. They can't start a rookie as the 07 version of Smith is better than a rookie. Davis is a project and hasn't throw a pass in the regular season. Who knows what to expect from him. Some people on this board are fine with giving Davis the ball but I'm not.
That's why we need to sign somebody in FA or get someone in a trade at the QB spot who can actually play.
1. There's nobody decent in FA
2. Nobody wants to trade a good QB
-9fA
1. Depending on who hits FA, yes there is.
2. The Eagles and Ravens might for example.
Originally posted by waiting4number6: Because he's a decent backup.
Right now Smith is a great backup and an average starter. As a starter he has not yet hit his ceiling so I see no reason to go with anyone else.
Even if Smith did hit a ceiling this year (which he didn't) there is not much the 9ers can do. They can't start a rookie as the 07 version of Smith is better than a rookie. Davis is a project and hasn't throw a pass in the regular season. Who knows what to expect from him. Some people on this board are fine with giving Davis the ball but I'm not.
That's why we need to sign somebody in FA or get someone in a trade at the QB spot who can actually play.
1. There's nobody decent in FA
2. Nobody wants to trade a good QB
-9fA
1. Depending on who hits FA, yes there is.
2. The Eagles and Ravens might for example.
Ummm, we already know which QBs are going to be UFA, and let me tell you, the pickings are quite slim.
Neither the Eagles nor the Ravens have announced that any of their QBs are on the trade block, so I'm not quite sure what point you're trying to make. The last "good" QB who was traded was Cutler, and we all know how that turned out.
Apples and oranges... Brees actually had some very good years in San Diego. The Chargers banked their future on their high draft pick, Phillip Rivers.
Can't really blame the Chargers for drafting Rivers. Brees had two bad years. Then he went ahead and had two pretty nice seasons before the Chargers decided to gamble on Rivers.
We still haven't seen anything from Alex remotely resembling Brees' play to give us hope that he'll be in Brees' level.
Having said all that, we shouldn't dump him just yet, it's not like we have a 3rd year high draft rookie QB waiting in the wings.
[ Edited by silkyjohnson on Feb 8, 2010 at 20:01:45 ]
Originally posted by waiting4number6: Because he's a decent backup.
Right now Smith is a great backup and an average starter. As a starter he has not yet hit his ceiling so I see no reason to go with anyone else.
Even if Smith did hit a ceiling this year (which he didn't) there is not much the 9ers can do. They can't start a rookie as the 07 version of Smith is better than a rookie. Davis is a project and hasn't throw a pass in the regular season. Who knows what to expect from him. Some people on this board are fine with giving Davis the ball but I'm not.
That's why we need to sign somebody in FA or get someone in a trade at the QB spot who can actually play.
1. There's nobody decent in FA
2. Nobody wants to trade a good QB
-9fA
1. Depending on who hits FA, yes there is.
2. The Eagles and Ravens might for example.
Ummm, we already know which QBs are going to be UFA, and let me tell you, the pickings are quite slim.
Neither the Eagles nor the Ravens have announced that any of their QBs are on the trade block, so I'm not quite sure what point you're trying to make. The last "good" QB who was traded was Cutler, and we all know how that turned out.
-9fA
Uh Cutler is good, he's just whines too much and has noone to throw too. And no we don't know who's going to on the market, for all we know Orton and Campbell could be signable, which of course are both decent QB's and upgrades over anyone we got. And Kolb may be the most likely traded on Philly, and Troy Smith already asked for a trade so who knows. I know one thing if any of those guys are available we better get one of em.
Originally posted by Jamespowers: this is Alex's last chance. If he was not a number 1 overall draft pick, he would have been released already. He just turnsover the ball too much. Way too much
18 touchdowns to 12 interceptions isn't that bad considering the guy missed the two previous seasons and was inserted mid-way through this one.
Originally posted by excelsior: Watching this game, I was struck by two things:
1. How much time both QBs had to find their receivers. Talented, well-coached OLs for the most part kept the pressure off.
2. How good the recievers are in getting open and hanging on to the ball.
Manning and Brees are wonderful QBs, but they have a lot of help too.
You can't get to Manning. His internal clock is to fast. His ability to sense pressure and move in the pocket is unparalleled and makes his line look much better than it actually is. For that reason most teams choose to put more people in coverage.
As for number 2 i feel the opposite. I was surprised by the drops, especially Garcon on 3rd which could have gone for 6. Again Peyton throws his receivers open. Smith waits till they uncover
Cutting a player that later goes on to become great is not the WORST thing that can happen to a franchise. IMO it is much worst to waste seasons on a failing player.
San Diego let Brees go after they knew that he was capable of being a Pro Bowl QB. Alex hasn't shown anything close to that.
All I am saying is Brees success does not represent the worst nightmare a franchise can go through. The worst thing that can happen to a franchise is drafting a 1.1 bust at QB and not realizing it 5+ years later. THAT is the WORST.
And so many people don't get what really happened in San Diego. They did not let Brees go after a Pro Bowl year. They let Brees go because they drafted another QB real early who was doing everything that looked like he could be a franchise QB. And why did they draft Rivers...because Brees sucked donkey dick for 2 years that is why.
The OP thinks people are laughing at the Chargers...LOL, there are far more people who are laughing at the Niners because we drafted somebody who would have maybe been drafted in the 3rd round any other year. Meanwhile the Chargers made the wrong choice between Rivers and Brees....which is a DREAM problem to have.
So again, the OP is saying we can't cut Alex because we COULD look like fools later. Right, because drafting a guy in 2005 and cutting him in 2011 while never posting a winning record doesn't make us look foolish at all
I was agreeing with you.
OH got ya.
BTW, I have always said, out of all the other busts the best one was Ryan Leaf. Because at least with him you know to cut ties quickly. Alex Smith on the other hand is such a great guy he weasels 2nd and 3rd chances out of people. Well most people anyway...if I were in charge he would have been ass out a long time ago.
A recent poster criticized Smith for waiting for his receivers to get open before throwing. Normally, Alex was a careful guy, careful to a fault sometimes. Perhaps he waited because he was not sure what his receivers (Davis, Crabtree) were going to do or even if they were going to get open. Lack of repetitions can cause this.
Let's see what an offseason with Alex, Davis, Crabtree, et al, all working out together produces.
Originally posted by excelsior: A recent poster criticized Smith for waiting for his receivers to get open before throwing. Normally, Alex was a careful guy, careful to a fault sometimes. Perhaps he waited because he was not sure what his receivers (Davis, Crabtree) were going to do or even if they were going to get open. Lack of repetitions can cause this.
Let's see what an offseason with Alex, Davis, Crabtree, et al, all working out together produces.
not to mention the ever important 2 offseasons in the same system for once in his life. i think people will be pleasantly surprised.
Cutting a player that later goes on to become great is not the WORST thing that can happen to a franchise. IMO it is much worst to waste seasons on a failing player.
San Diego let Brees go after they knew that he was capable of being a Pro Bowl QB. Alex hasn't shown anything close to that.
Has Al approached Brees' level of shown potential at the time Brees was discarded because of a salary dispute.? Don't think so.
Feb 8, 2010 at 11:28:19 
