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Kobe Bryant Suggests 2012 U.S. Team Could Beat 1992 ‘Dream Team' what do you think?

Kobe Bryant Suggests 2012 U.S. Team Could Beat 1992 ‘Dream Team' what do you think?

Originally posted by AmpLee:
I agree that the dream team was better, but I don't think it's because it was some Golden age in basketball. I think if the US were to have Howard and Bynum on the team along with some other guys that are missing out, it would be a much more evenly matched squad.

yeah, if you really assembled all the best players today, i think this would be a legitimate question. but as it is, if there was somehow a one off game in a fantasy world, i'd put my money on the dream team every time without thinking twice.

add howard and bynam then i'd still like the dream team, but i think it would be a lot more fair of a fight. the difference would still be the bigs though, bynam's offensive game is getting better, but who knows where his head will be. howard is awful on the offensive end, although having other great players around him would probably make his job easier.
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Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by drunk49er:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Of course they could beat the Dream Team. The context the statement was made had nothing to do with whether Kobe thought this team was better, but instead whether he thought they could beat them. International basketball has grown leaps and bounds since the Dream Team played in the Olympics and comparing scores is pointless.

that is a fair point, but the dream team would win 8-9/10 games

this team severely lacks size, so the dream team would just have to roll out their big guys and get them the ball on the block and get the 2012 team into some serious foul trouble, then it's over. i think it would be a good game, but honestly the 2008 team would have a better shot against the dream team.


I agree that the dream team was better, but I don't think it's because it was some Golden age in basketball. I think if the US were to have Howard and Bynum on the team along with some other guys that are missing out, it would be a much more evenly matched squad.

I disagree. Even if you add Bynum and Dwight - the only two players to make it in to that dream team would be Kobe and Lebron. Durant may make it, but it will be tough to take him over Lebron, Pippen, and Bird...and Durant is clearly the 2nd best player in the league today. From the current team, only Lebron will start on the 1992 dream team.

So, it's hard to argue that it was anything but the Golden Age of basketball.
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Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by drunk49er:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Of course they could beat the Dream Team. The context the statement was made had nothing to do with whether Kobe thought this team was better, but instead whether he thought they could beat them. International basketball has grown leaps and bounds since the Dream Team played in the Olympics and comparing scores is pointless.

that is a fair point, but the dream team would win 8-9/10 games

this team severely lacks size, so the dream team would just have to roll out their big guys and get them the ball on the block and get the 2012 team into some serious foul trouble, then it's over. i think it would be a good game, but honestly the 2008 team would have a better shot against the dream team.


I agree that the dream team was better, but I don't think it's because it was some Golden age in basketball. I think if the US were to have Howard and Bynum on the team along with some other guys that are missing out, it would be a much more evenly matched squad.

I disagree. Even if you add Bynum and Dwight - the only two players to make it in to that dream team would be Kobe and Lebron. Durant may make it, but it will be tough to take him over Lebron, Pippen, and Bird...and Durant is clearly the 2nd best player in the league today. From the current team, only Lebron will start on the 1992 dream team.

So, it's hard to argue that it was anything but the Golden Age of basketball.

So you'd rather have Laettner or Mullen over Durant? I think Paul is easily on par with Stockton and Magic (at that point). If Howard and Bynum were playing, I think they'd be on par with Robinson and Ewing (Bynum might not be there fully yet, but he he's not far away). I'm not saying that team wasn't epic, but c'mon the romanticism of that era is a little ridiculous. Kobe's age is definitely a factor, but I think Paul, Lebron, Durant, and Howard would be reasonable to argue for competing for starting spots on the original dream team. Remember, Magic and Bird were at their last waning days as players, and while they were still good, I'd take Paul and Durant in their primes every day of the week.
[ Edited by AmpLee on Aug 5, 2012 at 1:33 PM ]
this current team could not beat the original dream team

if you start subbing players on this team, you could probably sub players for the dream team (isiah thomas for laettner).

although, isiah on the dream team may not have been the best idea
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Originally posted by ads_2006:
this current team could not beat the original dream team

if you start subbing players on this team, you could probably sub players for the dream team (isiah thomas for laettner).

although, isiah on the dream team may not have been the best idea


Isiah was the only guy left off the original dream team and subbing him for Laettner, a SF/PF, when you already are two deep in hall-of-fame PGs is lateral at best. There are numerous people on this team that could be replaced with better Americans (namely PF and C) and improve the team. To say this team, even without guys that could make it better, could not beat the original team, is living in fantasy land. If a bunch of college guys in '92 could best the dream team over a given period of time (which happened) I'm sure this team could. And I reiterate, Kobe's statements were never about which team is better, just that they could beat the vaunted Dream Team.
[ Edited by AmpLee on Aug 5, 2012 at 1:53 PM ]
Originally posted by AmpLee:
I agree that the dream team was better, but I don't think it's because it was some Golden age in basketball. I think if the US were to have Howard and Bynum on the team along with some other guys that are missing out, it would be a much more evenly matched squad.

I was around during that time and I can tell you that the best players were not there. The team should have had isaiah thomas for stockton and dominique wilkins for chris mullins and shaquille o'neal for laettner and hakeem olajuwon for maybe an older larry bird. now u tell me that bynum and dwight howard could even come close to hakeem and shaw. dominique gives u another 30pt scorer and isaiah was better than both any point guard on this year's team. i know the times and that was an era of basketball unmatched by today's athletes. only prime kobe and lebron would make that team and probably durant
dream team 2 was the only squad that coudl rival dream team 1. period. this year? no way
I was just thinking about the dream team and remembered how Jordan and Pippen abused Kukoc, their future teammate. Then I started thinking about Kukoc and how he was one of the better players never make an All Star game. Better than Kurt Thomas, at least.
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by ads_2006:
this current team could not beat the original dream team

if you start subbing players on this team, you could probably sub players for the dream team (isiah thomas for laettner).

although, isiah on the dream team may not have been the best idea


Isiah was the only guy left off the original dream team and subbing him for Laettner, a SF/PF, when you already are two deep in hall-of-fame PGs is lateral at best. There are numerous people on this team that could be replaced with better Americans (namely PF and C) and improve the team. To say this team, even without guys that could make it better, could not beat the original team, is living in fantasy land. If a bunch of college guys in '92 could best the dream team over a given period of time (which happened) I'm sure this team could. And I reiterate, Kobe's statements were never about which team is better, just that they could beat the vaunted Dream Team.

You could argue Bird was not deserving of a spot. He was there because he was Larry Bird, or at least he used to be.
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Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
I agree that the dream team was better, but I don't think it's because it was some Golden age in basketball. I think if the US were to have Howard and Bynum on the team along with some other guys that are missing out, it would be a much more evenly matched squad.

I was around during that time and I can tell you that the best players were not there. The team should have had isaiah thomas for stockton and dominique wilkins for chris mullins and shaquille o'neal for laettner and hakeem olajuwon for maybe an older larry bird. now u tell me that bynum and dwight howard could even come close to hakeem and shaw. dominique gives u another 30pt scorer and isaiah was better than both any point guard on this year's team. i know the times and that was an era of basketball unmatched by today's athletes. only prime kobe and lebron would make that team and probably durant

Hakeem wasn't a citizen until 1993. Your argument is invalrod.
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Hakeem wasn't a citizen until 1993. Your argument is invalrod.

clever. find a point of invalidation, then fry my a$$. I should have known there was a reason hakeem wasnt on that team. but my point was to say that IF hakeem were a citizen or IF howard or bynum were on this team, there would be no match. but even in eliminating hakeem, Shaq, robinson and ewing would have destroyed howard chandler and bynum in my opinion.
[ Edited by Pillbusta on Aug 5, 2012 at 5:14 PM ]
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Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by drunk49er:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Of course they could beat the Dream Team. The context the statement was made had nothing to do with whether Kobe thought this team was better, but instead whether he thought they could beat them. International basketball has grown leaps and bounds since the Dream Team played in the Olympics and comparing scores is pointless.

that is a fair point, but the dream team would win 8-9/10 games

this team severely lacks size, so the dream team would just have to roll out their big guys and get them the ball on the block and get the 2012 team into some serious foul trouble, then it's over. i think it would be a good game, but honestly the 2008 team would have a better shot against the dream team.


I agree that the dream team was better, but I don't think it's because it was some Golden age in basketball. I think if the US were to have Howard and Bynum on the team along with some other guys that are missing out, it would be a much more evenly matched squad.

I disagree. Even if you add Bynum and Dwight - the only two players to make it in to that dream team would be Kobe and Lebron. Durant may make it, but it will be tough to take him over Lebron, Pippen, and Bird...and Durant is clearly the 2nd best player in the league today. From the current team, only Lebron will start on the 1992 dream team.

So, it's hard to argue that it was anything but the Golden Age of basketball.

So you'd rather have Laettner or Mullen over Durant? I think Paul is easily on par with Stockton and Magic (at that point). If Howard and Bynum were playing, I think they'd be on par with Robinson and Ewing (Bynum might not be there fully yet, but he he's not far away). I'm not saying that team wasn't epic, but c'mon the romanticism of that era is a little ridiculous. Kobe's age is definitely a factor, but I think Paul, Lebron, Durant, and Howard would be reasonable to argue for competing for starting spots on the original dream team. Remember, Magic and Bird were at their last waning days as players, and while they were still good, I'd take Paul and Durant in their primes every day of the week.

If you add Kobe and Lebron - you would have to add them in place of Laettner and Mullen. So, no place for Durant.

Stockton >>>> Paul. Easy. Stockton's defense alone places him way in front of Paul. The only reason Howard actually dominates in the NBA today is because he doesn't have to go up against another quality Center. So many teams play PFs at Centers. I'll take Ewing and Robinson over Howard.

Only Lebron and Kobe will make the 92 dream team...and Durant will have an outside chance if you want to go with an extra SF...or go with Durant over Bird. That's it. There are no other players on the current dream team who would make that team. None.
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Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by drunk49er:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Of course they could beat the Dream Team. The context the statement was made had nothing to do with whether Kobe thought this team was better, but instead whether he thought they could beat them. International basketball has grown leaps and bounds since the Dream Team played in the Olympics and comparing scores is pointless.

that is a fair point, but the dream team would win 8-9/10 games

this team severely lacks size, so the dream team would just have to roll out their big guys and get them the ball on the block and get the 2012 team into some serious foul trouble, then it's over. i think it would be a good game, but honestly the 2008 team would have a better shot against the dream team.


I agree that the dream team was better, but I don't think it's because it was some Golden age in basketball. I think if the US were to have Howard and Bynum on the team along with some other guys that are missing out, it would be a much more evenly matched squad.

I disagree. Even if you add Bynum and Dwight - the only two players to make it in to that dream team would be Kobe and Lebron. Durant may make it, but it will be tough to take him over Lebron, Pippen, and Bird...and Durant is clearly the 2nd best player in the league today. From the current team, only Lebron will start on the 1992 dream team.

So, it's hard to argue that it was anything but the Golden Age of basketball.

So you'd rather have Laettner or Mullen over Durant? I think Paul is easily on par with Stockton and Magic (at that point). If Howard and Bynum were playing, I think they'd be on par with Robinson and Ewing (Bynum might not be there fully yet, but he he's not far away). I'm not saying that team wasn't epic, but c'mon the romanticism of that era is a little ridiculous. Kobe's age is definitely a factor, but I think Paul, Lebron, Durant, and Howard would be reasonable to argue for competing for starting spots on the original dream team. Remember, Magic and Bird were at their last waning days as players, and while they were still good, I'd take Paul and Durant in their primes every day of the week.

If you add Kobe and Lebron - you would have to add them in place of Laettner and Mullen. So, no place for Durant.

Stockton >>>> Paul. Easy. Stockton's defense alone places him way in front of Paul. The only reason Howard actually dominates in the NBA today is because he doesn't have to go up against another quality Center. So many teams play PFs at Centers. I'll take Ewing and Robinson over Howard.

Only Lebron and Kobe will make the 92 dream team...and Durant will have an outside chance if you want to go with an extra SF...or go with Durant over Bird. That's it. There are no other players on the current dream team who would make that team. None.

I'll take
Kobe over Drexler
Durant over Bird (easily at this point in Bird's career)
Lebron over Pippen
Love over Laettner
Melo over Mullin

I'd consider
Dwight over Ewing (Ewing was the better all around player but Dwight is much better running the floor and playing high above the rim)

It's hard to argue having Paul over Magic or Stockton but I think Chris Paul will be a no brainer hall of famer after he retires and will command the same romanticism as other great PGs do. But I couldn't put him ahead of either.

So by my count, there's five current guys on our Olympic team that would be an improvement at similar positions on the dream team.
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Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by drunk49er:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Of course they could beat the Dream Team. The context the statement was made had nothing to do with whether Kobe thought this team was better, but instead whether he thought they could beat them. International basketball has grown leaps and bounds since the Dream Team played in the Olympics and comparing scores is pointless.

that is a fair point, but the dream team would win 8-9/10 games

this team severely lacks size, so the dream team would just have to roll out their big guys and get them the ball on the block and get the 2012 team into some serious foul trouble, then it's over. i think it would be a good game, but honestly the 2008 team would have a better shot against the dream team.


I agree that the dream team was better, but I don't think it's because it was some Golden age in basketball. I think if the US were to have Howard and Bynum on the team along with some other guys that are missing out, it would be a much more evenly matched squad.

I disagree. Even if you add Bynum and Dwight - the only two players to make it in to that dream team would be Kobe and Lebron. Durant may make it, but it will be tough to take him over Lebron, Pippen, and Bird...and Durant is clearly the 2nd best player in the league today. From the current team, only Lebron will start on the 1992 dream team.

So, it's hard to argue that it was anything but the Golden Age of basketball.

So you'd rather have Laettner or Mullen over Durant? I think Paul is easily on par with Stockton and Magic (at that point). If Howard and Bynum were playing, I think they'd be on par with Robinson and Ewing (Bynum might not be there fully yet, but he he's not far away). I'm not saying that team wasn't epic, but c'mon the romanticism of that era is a little ridiculous. Kobe's age is definitely a factor, but I think Paul, Lebron, Durant, and Howard would be reasonable to argue for competing for starting spots on the original dream team. Remember, Magic and Bird were at their last waning days as players, and while they were still good, I'd take Paul and Durant in their primes every day of the week.

If you add Kobe and Lebron - you would have to add them in place of Laettner and Mullen. So, no place for Durant.

Stockton >>>> Paul. Easy. Stockton's defense alone places him way in front of Paul. The only reason Howard actually dominates in the NBA today is because he doesn't have to go up against another quality Center. So many teams play PFs at Centers. I'll take Ewing and Robinson over Howard.

Only Lebron and Kobe will make the 92 dream team...and Durant will have an outside chance if you want to go with an extra SF...or go with Durant over Bird. That's it. There are no other players on the current dream team who would make that team. None.

I'll take
Kobe over Drexler
Durant over Bird (easily at this point in Bird's career)
Lebron over Pippen
Love over Laettner
Melo over Mullin

I'd consider
Dwight over Ewing (Ewing was the better all around player but Dwight is much better running the floor and playing high above the rim)

It's hard to argue having Paul over Magic or Stockton but I think Chris Paul will be a no brainer hall of famer after he retires and will command the same romanticism as other great PGs do. But I couldn't put him ahead of either.

So by my count, there's five current guys on our Olympic team that would be an improvement at similar positions on the dream team.

So you'll leave out Pippen and Drexler for Love and Melo? C'mon.

The only reason Love is even on the current team is because of lack of bigs. If Dwight or Bynum were healthy - Love wouldn't have made the team.