2012 NBA Finals

Originally posted by GameOver:

Can anyone verify that this is the same club the Mavs partied at after they won the chip last year?

I didn't know those guys sing. Or try to. Not sure if good or not....

The club looks darker than the Mavs club last year doesn't it? Lighting can be easily changed. And the setting and background can be changed. I don't know. It doesn't look the same. I don't live in Miami. Do we have a Miami poster? Ask them.

Lol cavs..ironic

Originally posted by GameOver:

Can anyone verify that this is the same club the Mavs partied at after they won the chip last year?

It is.

Originally posted by andes14:
How do you not comprehend the analogy...and I'm not saying that Gortat/Lawson are better than Wade, I'm saying they could be a better fit on that particular team, just like Mike Wallace would be a better fit on a team that had Tom Brady than would Drew Brees...just like a good wing would be a better fit on a team with Chris Paul than would Rajon Rondo.

Dude, I understand your simple analogy it's not complicated. I just don't agree with your analogy in relation to Gortat/Lawson and Wade. How do you not comprehend that? I told you that I kind of understand your initial point about Bron and Wade not complementing each other perfectly and you took it to a crazy level with the Gortat thing. Also, there are a number of centers besides Howard and Bynum that are better than him...

Originally posted by silkyjohnson:
It is.

All the clubs look the same to me... especially after a bunch of drinks

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by silkyjohnson:

It is.

All the clubs look the same to me... especially after a bunch of drinks

It's Club Liv. Rick Ross mentions it in a song, that's why it stands out to me. Also googled "mavs club liv" and it came up.

Originally posted by sacniner:
Dude, I understand your simple analogy it's not complicated. I just don't agree with your analogy in relation to Gortat/Lawson and Wade. How do you not comprehend that? I told you that I kind of understand your initial point about Bron and Wade not complementing each other perfectly and you took it to a crazy level with the Gortat thing. Also, there are a number of centers besides Howard and Bynum that are better than him...

A number of centers? I gave you Howard, Bynum, Chandler, and M. Gasol. How many others could there POSSIBLY be? And unlike Bynum (headcase, frequent disinterest) and Chandler (very limited offensively), Gortat doesn't have any big-time glaring holes to his game. I almost think because he's Polish with a goofy name, a goofy face/nose, and was a backup for a while (to Howard, and during that time many were saying he could start on most teams), that's why people think it's absurd. But his GAME is really very nice and he really is likely a top-5 center in the league. I bet if he was black and his name was Tom Williams, then it wouldn't seem like such a stretch. He'd fill a HUGE hole in that Heat lineup whereas Wade fills no hole whatsoever because everything he does, LBJ does better. And even without Wade (and no Lawson/Gortat caliber complementary piece), they were outstanding this year...how do you explain that? A lack of a huge, true big is something that hurt them a bunch, and the fact that they won the title does nothing to dispel that - they won the title IN SPITE of their hugely flawed roster because LeBron is just that good.

Their success without Wade this year shows that a Chalmers/spot up shooter/Battier/LBJ/Bosh lineup might arguably operate better than a Chalmers/Wade/Battier/LBJ/Bosh lineup...let alone a Lawson/spot up shooter/Battier/LBJ/Bosh lineup or a Chalmers/Battier/LBJ/Bosh/Gortat lineup.

I can understand if you disagree, but to think it's ABSURD to flip Wade for a Lawson or Gortat and have them be better when they were IN REALITY better this year without Wade period (and no Lawson/Gortat caliber player to show for it) is ridiculous.

Originally posted by andes14:
A number of centers? I gave you Howard, Bynum, Chandler, and M. Gasol. How many others could there POSSIBLY be? And unlike Bynum (headcase, frequent disinterest) and Chandler (very limited offensively), Gortat doesn't have any big-time glaring holes to his game. I almost think because he's Polish with a goofy name, a goofy face/nose, and was a backup for a while (to Howard, and during that time many were saying he could start on most teams), that's why people think it's absurd. But his GAME is really very nice and he really is likely a top-5 center in the league. I bet if he was black and his name was Tom Williams, then it wouldn't seem like such a stretch. He'd fill a HUGE hole in that Heat lineup whereas Wade fills no hole whatsoever because everything he does, LBJ does better. And even without Wade (and no Lawson/Gortat caliber complementary piece), they were outstanding this year...how do you explain that? A lack of a huge, true big is something that hurt them a bunch, and the fact that they won the title does nothing to dispel that - they won the title IN SPITE of their hugely flawed roster because LeBron is just that good.

Their success without Wade this year shows that a Chalmers/spot up shooter/Battier/LBJ/Bosh lineup might arguably operate better than a Chalmers/Wade/Battier/LBJ/Bosh lineup...let alone a Lawson/spot up shooter/Battier/LBJ/Bosh lineup or a Chalmers/Battier/LBJ/Bosh/Gortat lineup.

I can understand if you disagree, but to think it's ABSURD to flip Wade for a Lawson or Gortat and have them be better when they were IN REALITY better this year without Wade period (and no Lawson/Gortat caliber player to show for it) is ridiculous.

I only read the first line of your response about who is better than Gortat. Don't feel like reading the rest. Here are people that are better:

Cousins
Hibbert
Noah
Spencer Hawes is probably better
Brook Lopez
Nene
Al Jefferson
I would rather have Deandre Jordan than your bff


That is just a few off the top. Some times you should just let stuff go man.

Originally posted by sacniner:

I only read the first line of your response about who is better than Gortat. Don't feel like reading the rest. Here are people that are better:

Cousins
Hibbert
Noah
Spencer Hawes is probably better
Brook Lopez
Nene
Al Jefferson
I would rather have Deandre Jordan than your bff


That is just a few off the top. Some times you should just let stuff go man.

I mean I guess I just disagree on several of those. And I'm talking true centers, not hybrid pf/c's...pretty sure cousins started at PF , wasn't Thompson their starting C? And Hibbert, Noah, Nene, Hawes, etc. didn't need to carry their teams/shoulder the burden to the degree that Gortat did, maybe Jefferson, but Gortat's way better defensivsly. And Gortat's a bigger dude than most of those guys and the bigger the better for that squad.

Oh boy

Andes, Cousins scored a career high 41 points with 12 boards against Gortat last year, lol.

Cousins also started at C, not PF.

Don't get me wrong Gortat is a solid all around Center in the NBA which lacks many of those..but come on man

And fine, even if not top-5, certainly a top-10 pure center. Bottom line is he is a real nice true center which would add such a dynamic element to that team, all I'm saying. sheesh

Originally posted by silkyjohnson:

lol

Bosh' Face at 12 Seconds