2012 NBA Finals

Originally posted by sacniner:

Oh yeah big dog, your obvious analogies that compare the NFL and Rondo are REALLY obvious and don't fit in this case. Ty Lawson is one thing, but then you mean to tell me that Gortat is an upgrade over D Wade. Put down the bammer...

How do you not comprehend the analogy...and I'm not saying that Gortat/Lawson are better than Wade, I'm saying they could be a better fit on that particular team, just like Mike Wallace would be a better fit on a team that had Tom Brady than would Drew Brees...just like a good wing would be a better fit on a team with Chris Paul than would Rajon Rondo.

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

But they just won a championship

Why would anyone break this team up now after the way they dominated the thunder?

I'm noy saying they should or will...I'm saying that Wade's talents are somewhat wasted on that team because they already have someone that already does the same things, only better. Just because you win a championship doesn't mean it's impossible to be better. 90's Bulls won a lot of rings, that doesn't mean they wouldn't have been better if they had John Stockton at PG or Hakeem Olajuwon at center...

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Apparently Marcin Gortat is Polish for "Kurt Thomas".

Really? So you, nor anyone else, thinks Wade is redundant on that team and that's why oftentimes their offense looked stagnant/clunky?? Am I the only one that's aware that they had an unbelievable record in games that Wade missed??

Hell, forget replacing Wade with a lesser talented but more complementary piece...you could probably say there's a chance Miami would have won it all this year even with Wade simply not on the team...would that notion be THAT ridiculous? A less polished Cleveland LBJ consistently went deep in the playoffs...now you got a better LBJ in 2012 along with Bosh (who, though overrated, is still waaaaay better than any Cavalier teammate LBJ ever had)...that team could have potentially won it all sans Wade.

And, again, I'm not taking anything away from Wade's raw talent, just that his talent is not very complementary to a team built around James...why no one thinks it could be worth it to have someone else with less talent but whose talent is more complementary is beyond any rational thought. Yes, if I were starting a team from scratch, he'd be one of the first players I'd choose, please understand what I'm saying...

I'm trying this new thing where I don't argue with the insane.

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

I'm trying this new thing where I don't argue with the insane.

Dwyane Wade > Pau Gasol, no? But I don't think you would have rather had Wade than Gasol on the Lakers in '09 and '10, would you? How do you not get where I'm coming from??!

I do get where you're coming from. The problem is that you take this to it's illogical extreme and say that Marcin Gortat would help Miami more than Wade.

^ And btw, how many pure centers are there in the NBA right now better than Gortat, other than Howard and Bynum?? Think about it...

Do you agree with me on Lawson? Or that Miami could have potentially won it all without Wade this yr?

Originally posted by andes14:
^ And btw, how many pure centers are there in the NBA right now better than Gortat, other than Howard and Bynum?? Think about it...

Do you agree with me on Lawson? Or that Miami could have potentially won it all without Wade this yr?

Not at all.

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Not at all.

So even though a Cleveland team with a less polished LBJ and no one else nearly as good as Bosh was consistently a contender, a more polished LBJ + Bosh (not to mention their outstanding record in games Wade missed) couldn't have won it all?? So basically what you're saying is you don't think LBJ is a legendary player because legendary players can win it all with a Chris Bosh caliber player as their sidekick. Duncan would have won rings with Bosh as the #2 player, so would Jordan, so would Bird, etc...hell, Hakeem didn't even have a teammate of Bosh's caliber in '94...now, I'm not saying it would have been a sure thing because the #3-12 players on that team would have been crappy, but it certainly is very possible.

And also, as for centers, I'll give you Chandler and Marc Gasol as well, so as goofy as it may sound, Gortat IS more than likely a top-5 center in the NBA.

And you really think Wade and his redundant talents help that squad more than a dynamite PG like Lawson would?

Not gonna argue with you.

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by WookieOftheYear:

That team is a really good team

I mean, ya, they won the championship, but it was LBJ that makes them a really good, championship winning team. People act like this is a championship caliber team even without him and he just hopped on board for an easy path to a ring.

If Bosh wasn't healthy they would have gotten smoked. It's a great team talent-wise, don't get it twisted.

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Not gonna argue with you.

I mean, these are all very rational points and you seem to enjoy good-natured basketball debates so I'm not sure why not, but OK, you're entitled to
do what you want.

Can anyone verify that this is the same club the Mavs partied at after they won the chip last year?