2012 NBA Finals

Originally posted by vrabbit:

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Well earned. I thought I'd be pretty "meh" about this group winning a ring since they formed the team in the way that they did, but they won it in a way that I respect. They scrapped their asses off.

Props to LeBron for finally putting it all together, especially between the ears.

$100 says that this isn't the last time these two teams meet in the Finals in the next 5 years.

IMO, people saying LBJ joined an incredible team are way overblowing that sentiment. Yes, Wade has been an elite player in this game, but doesn't COMPLEMENT LBJ that well since he does the same things and is pretty much redundant (if, instead of Wade, they had a player that wasn't quite as talented, but a better complement, such as a Ty Lawson, or even a Marcin Gortat, I think they'd be even better). Chris Bosh is incredibly overrated and that money would have been WAAAAAY better spent adding 2 $9M/yr guys. And then the rest of the team is CRAP. Sure guys like Miller and Battier and their moments hitting some 3's in the Finals but all regular season and the first 3 rounds of the playoffs, guys like Miller, Battier, Haslem, etc. played like the old, way past their primes, body breaking down guys that they are. No good PG, no real center, etc. Plus even Wade was very inconsistent in the playoffs. It's not like LBJ formed/joined a team that had Chris Paul at guard, Dwight Howard at center, Kevin Love at PF, studs coming off the bench, etc. In short, Bosh is overrated, Wade is redundant, rest of team for the most part played like crap all year. The hype of that "superteam" is way overblown.

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Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by vrabbit:

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Well earned. I thought I'd be pretty "meh" about this group winning a ring since they formed the team in the way that they did, but they won it in a way that I respect. They scrapped their asses off.

Props to LeBron for finally putting it all together, especially between the ears.

$100 says that this isn't the last time these two teams meet in the Finals in the next 5 years.

IMO, people saying LBJ joined an incredible team are way overblowing that sentiment. Yes, Wade has been an elite player in this game, but doesn't COMPLEMENT LBJ that well since he does the same things and is pretty much redundant (if, instead of Wade, they had a player that wasn't quite as talented, but a better complement, such as a Ty Lawson, or even a Marcin Gortat, I think they'd be even better). Chris Bosh is incredibly overrated and that money would have been WAAAAAY better spent adding 2 $9M/yr guys. And then the rest of the team is CRAP. Sure guys like Miller and Battier and their moments hitting some 3's in the Finals but all regular season and the first 3 rounds of the playoffs, guys like Miller, Battier, Haslem, etc. played like the old, way past their primes, body breaking down guys that they are. No good PG, no real center, etc. Plus even Wade was very inconsistent in the playoffs. It's not like LBJ formed/joined a team that had Chris Paul at guard, Dwight Howard at center, Kevin Love at PF, studs coming off the bench, etc. In short, Bosh is overrated, Wade is redundant, rest of team for the most part played like crap all year. The hype of that "superteam" is way overblown.

there should be a rule against allowing you to post, ever

First, LOL @ the reply.
Second, I used to think bosh was overrated, but his shot is money, his freethrows are money, he is expanding his threepoint game, and is decent in help defense. That is a pretty solid player in my book. (plus when he was needed in the playoffs he did his part, this year and last (see bulls series))

Originally posted by andes14:
IMO, people saying LBJ joined an incredible team are way overblowing that sentiment. Yes, Wade has been an elite player in this game, but doesn't COMPLEMENT LBJ that well since he does the same things and is pretty much redundant (if, instead of Wade, they had a player that wasn't quite as talented, but a better complement, such as a Ty Lawson, or even a Marcin Gortat, I think they'd be even better). Chris Bosh is incredibly overrated and that money would have been WAAAAAY better spent adding 2 $9M/yr guys. And then the rest of the team is CRAP. Sure guys like Miller and Battier and their moments hitting some 3's in the Finals but all regular season and the first 3 rounds of the playoffs, guys like Miller, Battier, Haslem, etc. played like the old, way past their primes, body breaking down guys that they are. No good PG, no real center, etc. Plus even Wade was very inconsistent in the playoffs. It's not like LBJ formed/joined a team that had Chris Paul at guard, Dwight Howard at center, Kevin Love at PF, studs coming off the bench, etc. In short, Bosh is overrated, Wade is redundant, rest of team for the most part played like crap all year. The hype of that "superteam" is way overblown.

Dude... I kind of understand your point about Wade and Bron not really complimenting each other that well, but Gortat? You think that the Heat would be better with Gortat over Wade? Man... come on. To call that a extreme reach is not justice. That is straight BS. Ty Lawson over Wade is already a huge reach, but Gortat? Come on..

Also, Bosh was overrated coming over to MIA and being part of the "big 3." But he proved his worth. Dude is a good baller. And if you are going to replace him with 2 $9 mill guys it depends who they are obviously. I think you are taking him for granted. I did also until he got hurt. And to say the rest of the team is crap after these playoffs is just ignorant. I thought so before the playoffs, but they changed my mind. Chalmers and Battier in particular. They proved themselves on the big stage. And, they are a HUGE reason why MIA won.

Originally posted by coeliyian:
First, LOL @ the reply.
Second, I used to think bosh was overrated, but his shot is money, his freethrows are money, he is expanding his threepoint game, and is decent in help defense. That is a pretty solid player in my book. (plus when he was needed in the playoffs he did his part, this year and last (see bulls series))

Yes, Bosh is a nice player. Not saying he's the worst player of all time. But he is not the superstar so many think he is and he is CERTAINLY not deserving of a 9 figure contract. That's all I'm saying...

Originally posted by sacniner:
Dude... I kind of understand your point about Wade and Bron not really complimenting each other that well, but Gortat? You think that the Heat would be better with Gortat over Wade? Man... come on. To call that a extreme reach is not justice. That is straight BS. Ty Lawson over Wade is already a huge reach, but Gortat? Come on..

Also, Bosh was overrated coming over to MIA and being part of the "big 3." But he proved his worth. Dude is a good baller. And if you are going to replace him with 2 $9 mill guys it depends who they are obviously. I think you are taking him for granted. I did also until he got hurt. And to say the rest of the team is crap after these playoffs is just ignorant. I thought so before the playoffs, but they changed my mind. Chalmers and Battier in particular. They proved themselves on the big stage. And, they are a HUGE reason why MIA won.

Hey man, Gortat's nobody to sneeze at. He averaged 15 and 10 and was the leading scorer on a team that was in the playoff hunt til the very end (would have made it if in East because they would have won more games in the East). He's also a legit 7 footer who plays like a legit 7 footer and will shoot a very high %, something that would debatbly make the Heat better than Wade's redundancy (and btw, Wade is starting to break down a bit). Also is a very nice defender. How many pure centers are clearly better than Gortat in today's NBA? Dwight Howard (if healthy) for sure but not too many others and being a pure center in and of itself is a luxury in today's NBA and definitely something the Heat don't have (unless you consider Joel Anthony, but he's so limited offensively that they don't even play him anymore) And DEFINITELY don't sneeze at Lawson. Within 3 years I think it's very possible that the 2 best PG's on the planet will be him and Kyrie Irving. Bosh is a nice piece, but simply overrated and way overpaid.

i dont think miami beats celtics without bosh

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by coeliyian:
First, LOL @ the reply.
Second, I used to think bosh was overrated, but his shot is money, his freethrows are money, he is expanding his threepoint game, and is decent in help defense. That is a pretty solid player in my book. (plus when he was needed in the playoffs he did his part, this year and last (see bulls series))

Yes, Bosh is a nice player. Not saying he's the worst player of all time. But he is not the superstar so many think he is and he is CERTAINLY not deserving of a 9 figure contract. That's all I'm saying...

I can agree with that, he isn't worth his contract, or worth being listed as part of a Big three. he is a good starter though.

Originally posted by coeliyian:

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by coeliyian:

First, LOL @ the reply.
Second, I used to think bosh was overrated, but his shot is money, his freethrows are money, he is expanding his threepoint game, and is decent in help defense. That is a pretty solid player in my book. (plus when he was needed in the playoffs he did his part, this year and last (see bulls series))

Yes, Bosh is a nice player. Not saying he's the worst player of all time. But he is not the superstar so many think he is and he is CERTAINLY not deserving of a 9 figure contract. That's all I'm saying...

I can agree with that, he isn't worth his contract, or worth being listed as part of a Big three. he is a good starter though.

He could average 25 and 10 on any team as the go to guy. Those numbers are max contract worthy.

Originally posted by andes14:
Hey man, Gortat's nobody to sneeze at. He averaged 15 and 10 and was the leading scorer on a team that was in the playoff hunt til the very end (would have made it if in East because they would have won more games in the East). He's also a legit 7 footer who plays like a legit 7 footer and will shoot a very high %, something that would debatbly make the Heat better than Wade's redundancy (and btw, Wade is starting to break down a bit). Also is a very nice defender. How many pure centers are clearly better than Gortat in today's NBA? Dwight Howard (if healthy) for sure but not too many others and being a pure center in and of itself is a luxury in today's NBA and definitely something the Heat don't have (unless you consider Joel Anthony, but he's so limited offensively that they don't even play him anymore) And DEFINITELY don't sneeze at Lawson. Within 3 years I think it's very possible that the 2 best PG's on the planet will be him and Kyrie Irving. Bosh is a nice piece, but simply overrated and way overpaid.

Gortat is a nice player, but if you replaced Wade with him the Heat would not be better. That is all I'm saying, and that is a fact. Also, I'm not sneezing at Ty Lawson. He is a reallly good PG. But you, the man they call andes "northae" 14, don't sleep on baby daddy #1 D-Wade.

Originally posted by sacniner:

Gortat is a nice player, but if you replaced Wade with him the Heat would not be better. That is all I'm saying, and that is a fact. Also, I'm not sneezing at Ty Lawson. He is a reallly good PG. But you, the man they call andes "northae" 14, don't sleep on baby daddy #1 D-Wade.

Even if Wade weren't 30 and starting to break down a bit, he doesn't complement LBJ very well, that's my point. So even if you would pick Wade over Lawson if starting a team, that doesn't mean Wade is a better option to play next to LBJ than is Lawson. It's like, Rajon Rondo is more talented than a lot of good scoring wings, doesn't mean you would choose Rondo over a good scoring wing if you already have Chris Paul on your team. Drew Brees is a better football player than, say, Mike Wallace - but if you already have Tom Brady on your team, you'd rather have Wallace than Brees, ya dig?

Originally posted by andes14:

Originally posted by sacniner:

Gortat is a nice player, but if you replaced Wade with him the Heat would not be better. That is all I'm saying, and that is a fact. Also, I'm not sneezing at Ty Lawson. He is a reallly good PG. But you, the man they call andes "northae" 14, don't sleep on baby daddy #1 D-Wade.

Even if Wade weren't 30 and starting to break down a bit, he doesn't complement LBJ very well, that's my point. So even if you would pick Wade over Lawson if starting a team, that doesn't mean Wade is a better option to play next to LBJ than is Lawson. It's like, Rajon Rondo is more talented than a lot of good scoring wings, doesn't mean you would choose Rondo over a good scoring wing if you already have Chris Paul on your team. Drew Brees is a better football player than, say, Mike Wallace - but if you already have Tom Brady on your team, you'd rather have Wallace than Brees, ya dig?

But they just won a championship

Why would anyone break this team up now after the way they dominated the thunder?

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
But they just won a championship

Why would anyone break this team up now after the way they dominated the thunder?

Gortat is worth it, duh. He will change that franchise for the next ten to fifteen years.

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

But they just won a championship

Why would anyone break this team up now after the way they dominated the thunder?

Gortat is worth it, duh. He will change that franchise for the next ten to fifteen years.

There must be some good bath salts going around these days

Originally posted by andes14:
Even if Wade weren't 30 and starting to break down a bit, he doesn't complement LBJ very well, that's my point. So even if you would pick Wade over Lawson if starting a team, that doesn't mean Wade is a better option to play next to LBJ than is Lawson. It's like, Rajon Rondo is more talented than a lot of good scoring wings, doesn't mean you would choose Rondo over a good scoring wing if you already have Chris Paul on your team. Drew Brees is a better football player than, say, Mike Wallace - but if you already have Tom Brady on your team, you'd rather have Wallace than Brees, ya dig?

Oh yeah big dog, your obvious analogies that compare the NFL and Rondo are REALLY obvious and don't fit in this case. Ty Lawson is one thing, but then you mean to tell me that Gortat is an upgrade over D Wade. Put down the bammer...

Apparently Marcin Gortat is Polish for "Kurt Thomas".