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Manny Paki-Ow vs Tim Bradley (MGM Grand June 9th HBO PPV)

bro compubox is one of those most ridiculous stats ever, you know they give credit to punches that land on arms or are blocked. I think compubox is a guy in the corner with a clicker counting punches, no different then us sitting at home or ringside. Also I never thought bradley was going to ko manny, imo he was just racking up points by connecting, not with ko power but none the less connecting solid blows.

I compare this to the 49ers playing the eagles/lions/saints last season, If you just seen the highlights you would think the eagles/lions/saints won based on all the exciting plays they created, but when you step back and look at the game/fight as a whole you will clearly see the 49ers/Bradley where never fazed and where in control of the fight/game for the most part the entire time.
Originally posted by 5NorCalSavage2:
I'm not saying pac man clearly lost rounds 1-4 but to say one or another fighter clearly won those to me is ridiculous. In my opinion i gave 3 of the first 4 rounds to bradley, and then the last 4 rounds pac man was non existent. So i can see where the judges had scored 6 of those 8 round for bradley, that would make it a draw. I could live with a draw but to say manny clearly won this fight, i just don't see it. Manny was a one trick pony all night

Um, if you're referring to the fact that Bradley kept getting hit with the same shyt, then yes, Manny was a one-trick pony b/c he just kept hitting him.

I finally watched the fight, I had Bradley round 1/9, maybe 10, but Manny CLEARLY won Rounds 2-8 & 11, so @ worst Manny won 116-112.

I understand what you're saying with your opinion, b/c Bradley kept moving. But just b/c he kept moving doesn't mean he was doing anything since 80% of his punches hit off of Manny's arms.
Originally posted by SportsFan:
Cause Bradley is a B class fighter. He isn't close to being on the same level as Pac or Mayweather. Very few are. Just cause he is 29 - 0 don't mean s**t. Right now no one cares about Bradley. He isn't going to take that next step into the elite cause from what people saw he was fully outclassed by Pacman.

lmao so everyone who isn't on Mayweather or Mannys level = a b class fighter???? LMAO wow you continue to lose all creditbitly.

Cotto, Canelo, Martinez, Bradley all got something to say about that.
At the end of the day this fight was boring, I could see a draw because no fighter clearly outclassed the other, but I can also see how Bradley got W. Is manny the more talented fighter?? of course but talent alone doesn't get you W's, you need to go out there and do the work
Originally posted by 5NorCalSavage2:
Originally posted by SportsFan:
Cause Bradley is a B class fighter. He isn't close to being on the same level as Pac or Mayweather. Very few are. Just cause he is 29 - 0 don't mean s**t. Right now no one cares about Bradley. He isn't going to take that next step into the elite cause from what people saw he was fully outclassed by Pacman.

lmao so everyone who isn't on Mayweather or Mannys level = a b class fighter???? LMAO wow you continue to lose all creditbitly.

Cotto, Canelo, Martinez, Bradley all got something to say about that.

Ah, no. I didn't say Canelo, Martinez, Cotto aren't elite fighers. I didn't say just Pac and Mayweather are. I said Bradley wasn't.
Boxing should have a sudden death after 12 rounds.

Each boxer gets a free shot at the other boxer, and the last man standing, wins.
@5NorCalSavage2

How do you explain Bradley himself thinking he lost the fight? I mean, he is in the fight. There are plenty of times when fighters are losing fights and they don't think they do. They still throw their arms in the air after claiming victory. Bradley didn't. He walked to his corner, got on his trainers shoulders and put his arms up. But it wasn't a .. "Ya, I am the champ". He even told Arum he lost. Then all of a sudden he wins. Just look at his body language during the interview. He heard the crowd. He knows he didn't win.
Originally posted by 5NorCalSavage2:
FOR EVERYONE SAYING PACQUIAO WON, PLEASE DO ME A FAVOR AND LIST THE ROUNDS MANNY WON??

SMMFH

@ sportsfan

I think bradley himself wasnt sure if he won or lost, like i said no fighter did anything for me to say "Yea that guy definitely whooped the other fighters ass or even put on a clinic" Notice bradleys corner though they were happy with what he was giving them, his trainer Joel Diaz at one point says "Champ give me 5 more of these" Clearly whatever Bradley had done in the first 7 rounds impressed him enough to make him think 5 more of these and we have a legit shot of winning. Also i never saw his corner panic, never was bradley told you better start swinging for the fences because in our cards you're down 5 rounds. They stuck to their game plan and it payed off.
[ Edited by 5NorCalSavage2 on Jun 11, 2012 at 9:07 PM ]
Originally posted by 5NorCalSavage2:
@ sportsfan

I think bradley himself wasnt sure if he won or lost, like i said no fighter did anything for me to say "Yea that guy definitely whooped the other fighters ass or even put on a clinic" Notice bradleys corner though they were happy with what he was giving them, his trainer Joel Diaz at one point says "Champ give me 5 more of these" Clearly whatever Bradley had done in the first 7 rounds impressed him enough to make him think 5 more of these and we have a legit shot of winning. Also i never saw his corner panic, never was bradley told you better start swinging for the fences because in our cards you're down 5 rounds. They stuck to their game plan and it payed off.

Sorry man .. Just go read all the articles on this. Every respected analyst and pro boxer says the same thing. This fight wasn't close. Oscar De La Hoya says Bradley should announce victory to Pac and give him the belt back.

I still make the case Pacman should forget the re-match. I for one and pretty sure no one else wants to see it. Set the Mayweather fight up. Ya cause of this b******t Pac will have to take less of a cut but it is a way to restore some faith in the game. Bradley will go on and fight whoever he fights and no one will care.
Originally posted by SportsFan:
@5NorCalSavage2

How do you explain Bradley himself thinking he lost the fight? I mean, he is in the fight. There are plenty of times when fighters are losing fights and they don't think they do. They still throw their arms in the air after claiming victory. Bradley didn't. He walked to his corner, got on his trainers shoulders and put his arms up. But it wasn't a .. "Ya, I am the champ". He even told Arum he lost. Then all of a sudden he wins. Just look at his body language during the interview. He heard the crowd. He knows he didn't win.


2 things;

1, Bradley has the title, so even if you were right in assuming no one cares about Bradley (which I don't think is true; ppl will definitely be excited for a rematch if for no other reason than because they want to see Pac do it right take what they think is rightfully his), but there's no way Pac and Floyd will fight when it's not a title fight. They need to get the title back among one of them first.

2, Bradley did seem to think he probably lost, but who wouldn't if that's what they were being told during the fight. I don't see why you hate Bradley so much. He gave it his all and was the aggressor for the majority of the fight. He wasn't a judge. You should at least respect his effort and stamina as he was competitive with Pacquiao, or at the very least went 12 rounds with him.
Originally posted by 5NorCalSavage2:
@ sportsfan

I think bradley himself wasnt sure if he won or lost, like i said no fighter did anything for me to say "Yea that guy definitely whooped the other fighters ass or even put on a clinic" Notice bradleys corner though they were happy with what he was giving them, his trainer Joel Diaz at one point says "Champ give me 5 more of these" Clearly whatever Bradley had done in the first 7 rounds impressed him enough to make him think 5 more of these and we have a legit shot of winning. Also i never saw his corner panic, never was bradley told you better start swinging for the fences because in our cards you're down 5 rounds. They stuck to their game plan and it payed off.
Dude even mayweather sr. thinks manny won the fight. One of the guys that truly hates pacquiao thinks he won.
Originally posted by mug0mug:
2 things;

1, Bradley has the title, so even if you were right in assuming no one cares about Bradley (which I don't think is true; ppl will definitely be excited for a rematch if for no other reason than because they want to see Pac do it right take what they think is rightfully his), but there's no way Pac and Floyd will fight when it's not a title fight. They need to get the title back among one of them first.

2, Bradley did seem to think he probably lost, but who wouldn't if that's what they were being told during the fight. I don't see why you hate Bradley so much. He gave it his all and was the aggressor for the majority of the fight. He wasn't a judge. You should at least respect his effort and stamina as he was competitive with Pacquiao, or at the very least went 12 rounds with him.
mug, what fight were you watching? Bradley was retreating for MUCH of the fight, definitely so after he apparently injured both feet.
My take - Manny should have gotten the decision. The announcer's scorecard? It was off. I don't think Manny won 11 rounds to 1, but he probably took 7 or 8 rounds.

Neither fighter did any serious damage within the fight. The most significant injury occurred when Bradley twisted his own ankle. That is classic breeding grounds for a bad decision.

If there's one thing that I take from MMA, and I think boxers should apply the same principles (because way too many play it safe), it's that you can't leave it on the judges to decide a fight. Finish your opponent. If you don't, then anything's possible.
[ Edited by TheSixthRing on Jun 11, 2012 at 9:56 PM ]
Originally posted by nothing03:
Dude even mayweather sr. thinks manny won the fight. One of the guys that truly hates pacquiao thinks he won.

Word. All these guys that hate Pac should be coming out and cracking on him so hard right now because he lost, and not a single one of them has said anything but he got robbed.



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