2013 Defending World Champion San Francisco Giants Thread

Originally posted by dcsham:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
I think TImmy will rebound and have great games when his command is on. I do believe, however, that Lincecum is not someone that I would want to give a big long term contract to. The Giants are heavily invested in Cain and Bumgarner ( which were the right decisions for sure) but I think it would be a mistake to do that with Timmy.

The Giants are in big time need of top pitching prospects, a real SS in their organization that can hit, and a middle of the order bat. Lincecum would be by far their best trade chip to get some help in these areas. Who else is there that the team could possibly trade? Panda, Posey? Cain? MAdison? Those guys wont be going anywhere. No one else on this team has real trade value.

The nice part about the Bumgarner investment is that it is relatively inexpensive at this point. As far as Lincecum goes, we are still a long way off from seeing any kind of decision, but I doubt the Giants will trade him if he is still effective.

Originally posted by Rubberneck36:
Greinke is a pretty good pitcher. If Timmy doesn't shape up, he may be the piece we need to trade in order to improve the lineup. I hate to say that because for a while, he was our only star. He (along with the new stadium) packed the stands. He won 2 Cy's, helped win the WS...he has my love forever. But being a fan long after he is gone, I wouldn't hesitate to improve the team, especially if he cannot be the dominant pitcher he once was.

Having said all that, I do believe Timmy will regain form sometime this year and go on an unbelievable pitching run to make us say....thats the Timmy I know. Book that.

Greinke is far more than just a "pretty good pitcher". His 2009 season was better than any year Timmy had. A 1.07 whip and 2.16 era in the AL is sick. Not to mention the 242 K's in 195 ips. Last year he was one of the best pitchers in baseball in his first year in the NL. Calling him a POS is just ignorant.

I have no problem trading Lincecum if the trade value is right. He kind of showed his colors by not wanting to agree to the kind of long term deal that Cain did. I think he will test the market and that is why I think he might very well get traded during the off season or sometime during the 2013 year.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Greinke is far more than just a "pretty good pitcher". His 2009 season was better than any year Timmy had. A 1.07 whip and 2.16 era in the AL is sick. Not to mention the 242 K's in 195 ips. Last year he was one of the best pitchers in baseball in his first year in the NL. Calling him a POS is just ignorant.

I have no problem trading Lincecum if the trade value is right. He kind of showed his colors by not wanting to agree to the kind of long term deal that Cain did. I think he will test the market and that is why I think he might very well get traded during the off season or sometime during the 2013 year.

oh yeah i agree. I chuckled when skeet called him a pOS

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Greinke is far more than just a "pretty good pitcher". His 2009 season was better than any year Timmy had. A 1.07 whip and 2.16 era in the AL is sick. Not to mention the 242 K's in 195 ips. Last year he was one of the best pitchers in baseball in his first year in the NL. Calling him a POS is just ignorant.

I have no problem trading Lincecum if the trade value is right. He kind of showed his colors by not wanting to agree to the kind of long term deal that Cain did. I think he will test the market and that is why I think he might very well get traded during the off season or sometime during the 2013 year.

Cool he had one good year. It was a great year but it was once.

One of the best in the NL?? Based on what? His win total? His K ratio?

You know who had a better era than him?

All four starting pitchers on the giants.

He's talented. I get that. But he isn't the legit top teir ace everyone makes him out to be. He had one phenomenal year. He has great stuff. But he never puts it together. And the royals got a HAUL for a guy who had a near 4 era.

Originally posted by skeetskeet:
Cool he had one good year. It was a great year but it was once.

One of the best in the NL?? Based on what? His win total? His K ratio?

You know who had a better era than him?

All four starting pitchers on the giants.

He's talented. I get that. But he isn't the legit top teir ace everyone makes him out to be. He had one phenomenal year. He has great stuff. But he never puts it together. And the royals got a HAUL for a guy who had a near 4 era.

Zach Greinke is a very good pitcher, not a POS like you said. I'm not sure if people on here are calling him a top tier ace, and in reality I don't put him there yet. He is a year older than Lincecum, his career numbers are not favorable when compared with Lincecum with regards to W-L record, ERA, Whip, and BAA. That being said he is a quality arm but I would not trade him for Lincecum straight up, not even close.

Originally posted by skeetskeet:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Greinke is far more than just a "pretty good pitcher". His 2009 season was better than any year Timmy had. A 1.07 whip and 2.16 era in the AL is sick. Not to mention the 242 K's in 195 ips. Last year he was one of the best pitchers in baseball in his first year in the NL. Calling him a POS is just ignorant.

I have no problem trading Lincecum if the trade value is right. He kind of showed his colors by not wanting to agree to the kind of long term deal that Cain did. I think he will test the market and that is why I think he might very well get traded during the off season or sometime during the 2013 year.

Cool he had one good year. It was a great year but it was once.

One of the best in the NL?? Based on what? His win total? His K ratio?

You know who had a better era than him?

All four starting pitchers on the giants.

He's talented. I get that. But he isn't the legit top teir ace everyone makes him out to be. He had one phenomenal year. He has great stuff. But he never puts it together. And the royals got a HAUL for a guy who had a near 4 era.

Again, saying he has had one good year is beyond ridiculous. But then again, you think he is a Piece of s**t. You just look so bad when you make posts like this

Last seaon he struck out 10.54 batters per 9 innings which was ONE batter more than the 2nd best pitcher in that category. Yes, 4 Giants had better ERAs than Greinke. They also get to pitch in one of the toughest parks in baseball to score runs while Greinke hit in the very friendly hitters park in Milwaukee. There are many factors than simply looking at an ERA to determine who is great and who isnt.

Originally posted by skeetskeet:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Greinke is far more than just a "pretty good pitcher". His 2009 season was better than any year Timmy had. A 1.07 whip and 2.16 era in the AL is sick. Not to mention the 242 K's in 195 ips. Last year he was one of the best pitchers in baseball in his first year in the NL. Calling him a POS is just ignorant.

I have no problem trading Lincecum if the trade value is right. He kind of showed his colors by not wanting to agree to the kind of long term deal that Cain did. I think he will test the market and that is why I think he might very well get traded during the off season or sometime during the 2013 year.

Cool he had one good year. It was a great year but it was once.

One of the best in the NL?? Based on what? His win total? His K ratio?

You know who had a better era than him?

All four starting pitchers on the giants.

He's talented. I get that. But he isn't the legit top teir ace everyone makes him out to be. He had one phenomenal year. He has great stuff. But he never puts it together. And the royals got a HAUL for a guy who had a near 4 era.

He pitched in a bandbox, and if you look at his saber stats, youll see he got incredibly unlucky last year. He had the highest k/9 in baseball, and also led the majors in xFIP and SIERA. Calling him just "good" is incredibly uninformed.

Originally posted by Niners99:
He pitched in a bandbox, and if you look at his saber stats, youll see he got incredibly unlucky last year. He had the highest k/9 in baseball, and also led the majors in xFIP and SIERA. Calling him just "good" is incredibly uninformed.

There you go, going all "Billy Beane" on us again.

Originally posted by Niners99:

He pitched in a bandbox, and if you look at his saber stats, youll see he got incredibly unlucky last year. He had the highest k/9 in baseball, and also led the majors in xFIP and SIERA. Calling him just "good" is incredibly uninformed.

Look at his away numbers.

And what was the excuse his last year in KC when his era was over 4? Or any year before his one great year?

He's not a piece of s**t, that was exaggeration. But what the brewers gave up for him was ridiculous. Which was my main point.

If you want guys tht strike dudes out but get hit and give up runs, then by all means take those guys. But he isn't a top tier pitcher, isn't an ACE and IS a head case.

God I swear I have the same arguments with some of you guys all the time. You only want to see things one way, an think one way. You guys remind me of Brian Sabean.

Originally posted by skeetskeet:

Originally posted by Niners99:
He pitched in a bandbox, and if you look at his saber stats, youll see he got incredibly unlucky last year. He had the highest k/9 in baseball, and also led the majors in xFIP and SIERA. Calling him just "good" is incredibly uninformed.

Look at his away numbers.

And what was the excuse his last year in KC when his era was over 4? Or any year before his one great year?

He's not a piece of s**t, that was exaggeration. But what the brewers gave up for him was ridiculous. Which was my main point.

If you want guys tht strike dudes out but get hit and give up runs, then by all means take those guys. But he isn't a top tier pitcher, isn't an ACE and IS a head case.

God I swear I have the same arguments with some of you guys all the time. You only want to see things one way, an think one way. You guys remind me of Brian Sabean.

There isnt a team in baseball that wouldnt love to have this POS on their staff. He would be the Ace on the majority of teams in baseball. In fact, I can think of just 9 teams in baseball where he would not be the #1 guy. As for arguments... lets see how many people agree with you that Greinke isnt a top pitcher. I guess top tier depends on your definition. He isnt Kershaw, Felix, Verlander, Halladay, Lee. That is about it when it comes to the elite of the elite.

here's a thought, and feel free to shut it down with all kinds of sense-making arguments, but what would you give up to get Kevin Youkilis from the Red Sox given that he seems to be the odd man out? Even when he comes back Boston could easily ship him and keep Middlebrooks full time.

Originally posted by vrabbit:
here's a thought, and feel free to shut it down with all kinds of sense-making arguments, but what would you give up to get Kevin Youkilis from the Red Sox given that he seems to be the odd man out? Even when he comes back Boston could easily ship him and keep Middlebrooks full time.

where could he play and what do we have to give up for him?

Originally posted by niners4lyfe:

Originally posted by vrabbit:
here's a thought, and feel free to shut it down with all kinds of sense-making arguments, but what would you give up to get Kevin Youkilis from the Red Sox given that he seems to be the odd man out? Even when he comes back Boston could easily ship him and keep Middlebrooks full time.

where could he play and what do we have to give up for him?

1B/3B

Originally posted by vrabbit:
here's a thought, and feel free to shut it down with all kinds of sense-making arguments, but what would you give up to get Kevin Youkilis from the Red Sox given that he seems to be the odd man out? Even when he comes back Boston could easily ship him and keep Middlebrooks full time.

Boston would want pitching and I dont know who the Giants have to give up. How about Affeldt? LOL

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by vrabbit:
here's a thought, and feel free to shut it down with all kinds of sense-making arguments, but what would you give up to get Kevin Youkilis from the Red Sox given that he seems to be the odd man out? Even when he comes back Boston could easily ship him and keep Middlebrooks full time.

Boston would want pitching and I dont know who the Giants have to give up. How about Affeldt? LOL

SP? Sell Zito?