2013 San Francisco Giants Thread

Originally posted by skeetskeet:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Greinke is far more than just a "pretty good pitcher". His 2009 season was better than any year Timmy had. A 1.07 whip and 2.16 era in the AL is sick. Not to mention the 242 K's in 195 ips. Last year he was one of the best pitchers in baseball in his first year in the NL. Calling him a POS is just ignorant.

I have no problem trading Lincecum if the trade value is right. He kind of showed his colors by not wanting to agree to the kind of long term deal that Cain did. I think he will test the market and that is why I think he might very well get traded during the off season or sometime during the 2013 year.

Cool he had one good year. It was a great year but it was once.

One of the best in the NL?? Based on what? His win total? His K ratio?

You know who had a better era than him?

All four starting pitchers on the giants.

He's talented. I get that. But he isn't the legit top teir ace everyone makes him out to be. He had one phenomenal year. He has great stuff. But he never puts it together. And the royals got a HAUL for a guy who had a near 4 era.

He pitched in a bandbox, and if you look at his saber stats, youll see he got incredibly unlucky last year. He had the highest k/9 in baseball, and also led the majors in xFIP and SIERA. Calling him just "good" is incredibly uninformed.

Originally posted by Niners99:
He pitched in a bandbox, and if you look at his saber stats, youll see he got incredibly unlucky last year. He had the highest k/9 in baseball, and also led the majors in xFIP and SIERA. Calling him just "good" is incredibly uninformed.

There you go, going all "Billy Beane" on us again.

Originally posted by Niners99:

He pitched in a bandbox, and if you look at his saber stats, youll see he got incredibly unlucky last year. He had the highest k/9 in baseball, and also led the majors in xFIP and SIERA. Calling him just "good" is incredibly uninformed.

Look at his away numbers.

And what was the excuse his last year in KC when his era was over 4? Or any year before his one great year?

He's not a piece of s**t, that was exaggeration. But what the brewers gave up for him was ridiculous. Which was my main point.

If you want guys tht strike dudes out but get hit and give up runs, then by all means take those guys. But he isn't a top tier pitcher, isn't an ACE and IS a head case.

God I swear I have the same arguments with some of you guys all the time. You only want to see things one way, an think one way. You guys remind me of Brian Sabean.

Originally posted by skeetskeet:

Originally posted by Niners99:
He pitched in a bandbox, and if you look at his saber stats, youll see he got incredibly unlucky last year. He had the highest k/9 in baseball, and also led the majors in xFIP and SIERA. Calling him just "good" is incredibly uninformed.

Look at his away numbers.

And what was the excuse his last year in KC when his era was over 4? Or any year before his one great year?

He's not a piece of s**t, that was exaggeration. But what the brewers gave up for him was ridiculous. Which was my main point.

If you want guys tht strike dudes out but get hit and give up runs, then by all means take those guys. But he isn't a top tier pitcher, isn't an ACE and IS a head case.

God I swear I have the same arguments with some of you guys all the time. You only want to see things one way, an think one way. You guys remind me of Brian Sabean.

There isnt a team in baseball that wouldnt love to have this POS on their staff. He would be the Ace on the majority of teams in baseball. In fact, I can think of just 9 teams in baseball where he would not be the #1 guy. As for arguments... lets see how many people agree with you that Greinke isnt a top pitcher. I guess top tier depends on your definition. He isnt Kershaw, Felix, Verlander, Halladay, Lee. That is about it when it comes to the elite of the elite.

here's a thought, and feel free to shut it down with all kinds of sense-making arguments, but what would you give up to get Kevin Youkilis from the Red Sox given that he seems to be the odd man out? Even when he comes back Boston could easily ship him and keep Middlebrooks full time.

Originally posted by vrabbit:
here's a thought, and feel free to shut it down with all kinds of sense-making arguments, but what would you give up to get Kevin Youkilis from the Red Sox given that he seems to be the odd man out? Even when he comes back Boston could easily ship him and keep Middlebrooks full time.

where could he play and what do we have to give up for him?

Originally posted by niners4lyfe:

Originally posted by vrabbit:
here's a thought, and feel free to shut it down with all kinds of sense-making arguments, but what would you give up to get Kevin Youkilis from the Red Sox given that he seems to be the odd man out? Even when he comes back Boston could easily ship him and keep Middlebrooks full time.

where could he play and what do we have to give up for him?

1B/3B

Originally posted by vrabbit:
here's a thought, and feel free to shut it down with all kinds of sense-making arguments, but what would you give up to get Kevin Youkilis from the Red Sox given that he seems to be the odd man out? Even when he comes back Boston could easily ship him and keep Middlebrooks full time.

Boston would want pitching and I dont know who the Giants have to give up. How about Affeldt? LOL

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by vrabbit:
here's a thought, and feel free to shut it down with all kinds of sense-making arguments, but what would you give up to get Kevin Youkilis from the Red Sox given that he seems to be the odd man out? Even when he comes back Boston could easily ship him and keep Middlebrooks full time.

Boston would want pitching and I dont know who the Giants have to give up. How about Affeldt? LOL

SP? Sell Zito?

Originally posted by vrabbit:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by vrabbit:
here's a thought, and feel free to shut it down with all kinds of sense-making arguments, but what would you give up to get Kevin Youkilis from the Red Sox given that he seems to be the odd man out? Even when he comes back Boston could easily ship him and keep Middlebrooks full time.

Boston would want pitching and I dont know who the Giants have to give up. How about Affeldt? LOL

SP? Sell Zito?

LOL Can you imagine Zito pitching in Fenway Park. OUCH

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Theriot DL with elbow strain

Originally posted by jimrat:
Andrew Baggarly ‏ @CSNBaggs

Theriot DL with elbow strain

Charlie Culberson on the way or would that require DFAing someone???

f**king thank you. Now Bochy CAN'T play Theriot anymore.

He's so terrible

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
LOL Can you imagine Zito pitching in Fenway Park. OUCH

His ERA would easily surpass John Lacky's from last year lol