2013 San Francisco Giants Thread

Originally posted by IdentityCrisis:
As always. It depends on what he would sign for and what we could trade him for.

If we could get Lincecum for 20 mil a year or less for 4-5 years, GREAT, sign me up. Now that is unlikely, but it becomes more possible with every start (I am pretty confident he will be just fine in the long run).

However, if we could trade him for an equally great young bat, then I wouldn't be opposed to that.

Its all about value.

I'm not as confident anymore. His command seems to be becoming more erratic every year and I'm not sure how consistent he can remain with mechanics that take so much flexibility/torque to repeat. If you trade him, it should be for pitching prospects. That's where our farm system is nearly depleted.

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by IdentityCrisis:

As always. It depends on what he would sign for and what we could trade him for.

If we could get Lincecum for 20 mil a year or less for 4-5 years, GREAT, sign me up. Now that is unlikely, but it becomes more possible with every start (I am pretty confident he will be just fine in the long run).

However, if we could trade him for an equally great young bat, then I wouldn't be opposed to that.

Its all about value.

I'm not as confident anymore. His command seems to be becoming more erratic every year and I'm not sure how consistent he can remain with mechanics that take so much flexibility/torque to repeat. If you trade him, it should be for pitching prospects. That's where our farm system is nearly depleted.

I know they say gymnists peak at around 25-26, and after that they lose flexibility. What im afraid of, is Lincecum relied alot on his body mechanics to perform. If hes past that prime already, maybe we should think about trading him while he has big value. We could hide behind the logic that we paid Cain and Bumgarner already, and will lose him to f/a.

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
In my opinion, Timmy's problems right now are all mental. The velocity is there and so are the mechanics. It's his inability to fight through and grind past any stress that's hurting him right now. It just seems like he starts to fall apart when something goes wrong.

Yup, I agree. His career was over in August 2010 as well, when he couldn't hit 90, couldn't throw stikes, etc. etc. etc.

Right now, every mistake he makes is being hit. Pitchers go through stretches like this, just like when hitters hit screaming line drives that are caught. Pretty soon the bloopers start to fall for the hitters and with pitchers, the line drives will start being caught. If Schierholtz doesn't make a bonehead baserunning mistake, or Gwin's ball is hit at somebody, then probably Timmy wins and we are all fat and happy again. The dude can still pitch...his stuff still moves incredibly, he was hitting 93 on the gun, he is still striking out 10.1 batters per 9 IP this year, so I take all of this hand wringing over Lincecum being toast the same way I take the hand wringing by some that the season is basically over on May 10. With a grain of salt.

Originally posted by dcsham:

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
In my opinion, Timmy's problems right now are all mental. The velocity is there and so are the mechanics. It's his inability to fight through and grind past any stress that's hurting him right now. It just seems like he starts to fall apart when something goes wrong.

Yup, I agree. His career was over in August 2010 as well, when he couldn't hit 90, couldn't throw stikes, etc. etc. etc.

Right now, every mistake he makes is being hit. Pitchers go through stretches like this, just like when hitters hit screaming line drives that are caught. Pretty soon the bloopers start to fall for the hitters and with pitchers, the line drives will start being caught. If Schierholtz doesn't make a bonehead baserunning mistake, or Gwin's ball is hit at somebody, then probably Timmy wins and we are all fat and happy again. The dude can still pitch...his stuff still moves incredibly, he was hitting 93 on the gun, he is still striking out 10.1 batters per 9 IP this year, so I take all of this hand wringing over Lincecum being toast the same way I take the hand wringing by some that the season is basically over on May 10. With a grain of salt.

I think TImmy will rebound and have great games when his command is on. I do believe, however, that Lincecum is not someone that I would want to give a big long term contract to. The Giants are heavily invested in Cain and Bumgarner ( which were the right decisions for sure) but I think it would be a mistake to do that with Timmy.

The Giants are in big time need of top pitching prospects, a real SS in their organization that can hit, and a middle of the order bat. Lincecum would be by far their best trade chip to get some help in these areas. Who else is there that the team could possibly trade? Panda, Posey? Cain? MAdison? Those guys wont be going anywhere. No one else on this team has real trade value.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

I think TImmy will rebound and have great games when his command is on. I do believe, however, that Lincecum is not someone that I would want to give a big long term contract to. The Giants are heavily invested in Cain and Bumgarner ( which were the right decisions for sure) but I think it would be a mistake to do that with Timmy.

The Giants are in big time need of top pitching prospects, a real SS in their organization that can hit, and a middle of the order bat. Lincecum would be by far their best trade chip to get some help in these areas. Who else is there that the team could possibly trade? Panda, Posey? Cain? MAdison? Those guys wont be going anywhere. No one else on this team has real trade value.

I agree.

It sucks tho :/

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
I think TImmy will rebound and have great games when his command is on. I do believe, however, that Lincecum is not someone that I would want to give a big long term contract to. The Giants are heavily invested in Cain and Bumgarner ( which were the right decisions for sure) but I think it would be a mistake to do that with Timmy.

The Giants are in big time need of top pitching prospects, a real SS in their organization that can hit, and a middle of the order bat. Lincecum would be by far their best trade chip to get some help in these areas. Who else is there that the team could possibly trade? Panda, Posey? Cain? MAdison? Those guys wont be going anywhere. No one else on this team has real trade value.

I don't follow minor league prospects that much, but who are some top prospects our there, specifically at the SS position and big bats as well as pitching prospects?

I'm a HUGE timmy fan and would hate to trade him. He made the Giants relevant again.

BUT if Vogelsong has 3 more good years left in him, then thinking about trading Timmy is something I'd do.

If the royals could get such a steal for the POS Greinke then the giants could get some amazing prospects.

Originally posted by skeetskeet:
I'm a HUGE timmy fan and would hate to trade him. He made the Giants relevant again.

BUT if Vogelsong has 3 more good years left in him, then thinking about trading Timmy is something I'd do.

If the royals could get such a steal for the POS Greinke then the giants could get some amazing prospects.

LOL at calling Greinke a POS.

Greinke is a pretty good pitcher. If Timmy doesn't shape up, he may be the piece we need to trade in order to improve the lineup. I hate to say that because for a while, he was our only star. He (along with the new stadium) packed the stands. He won 2 Cy's, helped win the WS...he has my love forever. But being a fan long after he is gone, I wouldn't hesitate to improve the team, especially if he cannot be the dominant pitcher he once was.

Having said all that, I do believe Timmy will regain form sometime this year and go on an unbelievable pitching run to make us say....thats the Timmy I know. Book that.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
I think TImmy will rebound and have great games when his command is on. I do believe, however, that Lincecum is not someone that I would want to give a big long term contract to. The Giants are heavily invested in Cain and Bumgarner ( which were the right decisions for sure) but I think it would be a mistake to do that with Timmy.

The Giants are in big time need of top pitching prospects, a real SS in their organization that can hit, and a middle of the order bat. Lincecum would be by far their best trade chip to get some help in these areas. Who else is there that the team could possibly trade? Panda, Posey? Cain? MAdison? Those guys wont be going anywhere. No one else on this team has real trade value.

The nice part about the Bumgarner investment is that it is relatively inexpensive at this point. As far as Lincecum goes, we are still a long way off from seeing any kind of decision, but I doubt the Giants will trade him if he is still effective.

Originally posted by dcsham:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
I think TImmy will rebound and have great games when his command is on. I do believe, however, that Lincecum is not someone that I would want to give a big long term contract to. The Giants are heavily invested in Cain and Bumgarner ( which were the right decisions for sure) but I think it would be a mistake to do that with Timmy.

The Giants are in big time need of top pitching prospects, a real SS in their organization that can hit, and a middle of the order bat. Lincecum would be by far their best trade chip to get some help in these areas. Who else is there that the team could possibly trade? Panda, Posey? Cain? MAdison? Those guys wont be going anywhere. No one else on this team has real trade value.

The nice part about the Bumgarner investment is that it is relatively inexpensive at this point. As far as Lincecum goes, we are still a long way off from seeing any kind of decision, but I doubt the Giants will trade him if he is still effective.

Originally posted by Rubberneck36:
Greinke is a pretty good pitcher. If Timmy doesn't shape up, he may be the piece we need to trade in order to improve the lineup. I hate to say that because for a while, he was our only star. He (along with the new stadium) packed the stands. He won 2 Cy's, helped win the WS...he has my love forever. But being a fan long after he is gone, I wouldn't hesitate to improve the team, especially if he cannot be the dominant pitcher he once was.

Having said all that, I do believe Timmy will regain form sometime this year and go on an unbelievable pitching run to make us say....thats the Timmy I know. Book that.

Greinke is far more than just a "pretty good pitcher". His 2009 season was better than any year Timmy had. A 1.07 whip and 2.16 era in the AL is sick. Not to mention the 242 K's in 195 ips. Last year he was one of the best pitchers in baseball in his first year in the NL. Calling him a POS is just ignorant.

I have no problem trading Lincecum if the trade value is right. He kind of showed his colors by not wanting to agree to the kind of long term deal that Cain did. I think he will test the market and that is why I think he might very well get traded during the off season or sometime during the 2013 year.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Greinke is far more than just a "pretty good pitcher". His 2009 season was better than any year Timmy had. A 1.07 whip and 2.16 era in the AL is sick. Not to mention the 242 K's in 195 ips. Last year he was one of the best pitchers in baseball in his first year in the NL. Calling him a POS is just ignorant.

I have no problem trading Lincecum if the trade value is right. He kind of showed his colors by not wanting to agree to the kind of long term deal that Cain did. I think he will test the market and that is why I think he might very well get traded during the off season or sometime during the 2013 year.

oh yeah i agree. I chuckled when skeet called him a pOS

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Greinke is far more than just a "pretty good pitcher". His 2009 season was better than any year Timmy had. A 1.07 whip and 2.16 era in the AL is sick. Not to mention the 242 K's in 195 ips. Last year he was one of the best pitchers in baseball in his first year in the NL. Calling him a POS is just ignorant.

I have no problem trading Lincecum if the trade value is right. He kind of showed his colors by not wanting to agree to the kind of long term deal that Cain did. I think he will test the market and that is why I think he might very well get traded during the off season or sometime during the 2013 year.

Cool he had one good year. It was a great year but it was once.

One of the best in the NL?? Based on what? His win total? His K ratio?

You know who had a better era than him?

All four starting pitchers on the giants.

He's talented. I get that. But he isn't the legit top teir ace everyone makes him out to be. He had one phenomenal year. He has great stuff. But he never puts it together. And the royals got a HAUL for a guy who had a near 4 era.

Originally posted by skeetskeet:
Cool he had one good year. It was a great year but it was once.

One of the best in the NL?? Based on what? His win total? His K ratio?

You know who had a better era than him?

All four starting pitchers on the giants.

He's talented. I get that. But he isn't the legit top teir ace everyone makes him out to be. He had one phenomenal year. He has great stuff. But he never puts it together. And the royals got a HAUL for a guy who had a near 4 era.

Zach Greinke is a very good pitcher, not a POS like you said. I'm not sure if people on here are calling him a top tier ace, and in reality I don't put him there yet. He is a year older than Lincecum, his career numbers are not favorable when compared with Lincecum with regards to W-L record, ERA, Whip, and BAA. That being said he is a quality arm but I would not trade him for Lincecum straight up, not even close.

Originally posted by skeetskeet:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Greinke is far more than just a "pretty good pitcher". His 2009 season was better than any year Timmy had. A 1.07 whip and 2.16 era in the AL is sick. Not to mention the 242 K's in 195 ips. Last year he was one of the best pitchers in baseball in his first year in the NL. Calling him a POS is just ignorant.

I have no problem trading Lincecum if the trade value is right. He kind of showed his colors by not wanting to agree to the kind of long term deal that Cain did. I think he will test the market and that is why I think he might very well get traded during the off season or sometime during the 2013 year.

Cool he had one good year. It was a great year but it was once.

One of the best in the NL?? Based on what? His win total? His K ratio?

You know who had a better era than him?

All four starting pitchers on the giants.

He's talented. I get that. But he isn't the legit top teir ace everyone makes him out to be. He had one phenomenal year. He has great stuff. But he never puts it together. And the royals got a HAUL for a guy who had a near 4 era.

Again, saying he has had one good year is beyond ridiculous. But then again, you think he is a Piece of s**t. You just look so bad when you make posts like this

Last seaon he struck out 10.54 batters per 9 innings which was ONE batter more than the 2nd best pitcher in that category. Yes, 4 Giants had better ERAs than Greinke. They also get to pitch in one of the toughest parks in baseball to score runs while Greinke hit in the very friendly hitters park in Milwaukee. There are many factors than simply looking at an ERA to determine who is great and who isnt.