2013 San Francisco Giants Thread

The dodgers pitcher tonight has owned the Giants.

Originally posted by DaManRathman:

Originally posted by j3xperience:
So when do we trade the Pirates for McCutchen? I think we should trade Schier and Gillispe for him. That should get it done.

Throw in Amy G.

Her sexual tension with Kuiper is key in making that broadcast work. She's too valuable, but I can do Raj Mathai.

Originally posted by niners4lyfe:
The dodgers pitcher tonight has owned the Giants.

so has Kershaw. We hadn't beat him since 2010 but we got heeeem last night.


oh burn, face!! face!!

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Sabean should only trade with the Pirates. LOL

I would add Kansas City Royals to the list as well, Jonathan Sanchez according Baggs just got placed on the DL with Bicep Tendinitis and Melky Cabrerra is looking like a keeper and is only 27 years old, hope Sabes locks up Cabrerra soon!

Originally posted by sfgiantdave:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Sabean should only trade with the Pirates. LOL

I would add Kansas City Royals to the list as well, Jonathan Sanchez according Baggs just got placed on the DL with Bicep Tendinitis and Melky Cabrerra is looking like a keeper and is only 27 years old, hope Sabes locks up Cabrerra soon!

I really liked the trade, but the HR numbers aren't there yet.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by vrabbit:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Great DP. Uribe is such a waste now. LOL

It seems like every time the Dodgers sign a player away from the Giants, they get absolutely nothing out of them. Jason Schmidt got paid 50 mil. to make just 10 awful starts in Dodger blue. Uribe got 21 mil and has been a complete waste. and who could forget Eugenio Velez, who set the Major League record for most AB's in a season without getting a hit last year. Thats right, Velez took 37 AB's as a Dodger, and went 0 for 37. He is no longer with the team.

I like to think of these 3 guys as classic Giants. The showed true commitment to the team by continuing to kill the Dodgers even after their days with SF.

I was devastated when Schmidt signed with the Dodgers, since I consider him one of my top 5 favorite Giants of all time. But in the end it all worked out. I will say, for those of you too young to remember, that from the span of about mid 2002 to mid 2004, Jason Schmidt was better than Tim Lincecum at his peak. Schmidt had a changeup that got more swingthrough strikes than any pitch from any pitcher in baseball. The fact that he lost the 2003 CY to Eric Gagne is one of the biggest travesties of all time. Right smack in the middle of the steroid era, he was un-hittable in 03. A crying shame.

yes to almost all of this, I would have a hard time making a convincing argument for either Timmy or Jason being better at their peak, but my god he was filthy

I agree that Schmidt was awesome for that very short time frame. His 2003 season was certainly amazing but I would also have a hard time saying he was better than Timmy. Also, saying Gagne winning the CY award that year was one of the biggest travesties of all time is a huge stretch. Gagne had probably the most amazing season ever for a RP. 55 saves, ZERO blown saves, and a whip of 0.69. Gagne was simply unhittable although I'm sure it was steroids that helped his cause. However, if you include that in the argument that he shouldnt win you would have to take away some of Bonds MVPS.

I agree that Lincecum has been better for longer, but I guess what I mean is, at their absolute peaks, Schmidt was better. Timmy did it longer, but Schmidt reached a level of dominance (although it was short lived), that Lincecum never has. Every night Schmidt had a chance to throw a no hitter. Lincecum has never really mastered the art of efficiency, which is why he doesnt toss shutouts very often. There was also never the "which guy are we getting tonight" factor with Schmidt. He'd just dominate almost every time. During his run of dominance, I think I saw him give up 5 ER or more like 2 or 3 times. Lincecum has been prone to a shelling every few outings, even during his CY seasons.

in 2003 Schmidt had a stretch of 8 starts where he went 9.0 ip 0 ER, 9.0 ip 2 ER, 9.0 ip 0 ER, 9.0 ip 0 ER, 9.0 ip 1 ER for 5 of the 8. I watched all of both Schmidt and Lincecum's runs with the Giants, and I never saw Lincecum at a point where he was as good as 2003 Schmidt.

As far as Gagne goes, I dont blame him for being on roids. Half of baseball was on steroids in 2003, so singling out any player and trying to erase their name from the books is pointless to me. If you erased the stats of everyone in baseball history who cheated in some way, youd have to remove half of the games history.

Schmidt got robbed in 03 because a RP should NEVER win the CY award. I firmly believe that, and always will. Gagne was the most unhittable pitcher in baseball that season, but he only pitched 82 innings. Schmidt pitched 208. The CY award is meant to go to the BEST pitcher in baseball for that season, and if you arent pitching close to 200 or more innings, theres no way you can be the best IMO. The saves streak was impressive, but thats what the Rolaids Relief award is for.

Well.. there have been 9 RP's who have won the CY award and 3 ( Fingers, Hernandez, and Eck) that won the MVP in those years. Considering that Gagne's year was the probably the greatest season ever for a RP its hard to consider that one of "the greatest travesties of all time".

Originally posted by sfgiantdave:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Sabean should only trade with the Pirates. LOL

I would add Kansas City Royals to the list as well, Jonathan Sanchez according Baggs just got placed on the DL with Bicep Tendinitis and Melky Cabrerra is looking like a keeper and is only 27 years old, hope Sabes locks up Cabrerra soon!

So far it looks good. We will see how it all plays out in the end and whether he is just a 1 year guy.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by sfgiantdave:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Sabean should only trade with the Pirates. LOL

I would add Kansas City Royals to the list as well, Jonathan Sanchez according Baggs just got placed on the DL with Bicep Tendinitis and Melky Cabrerra is looking like a keeper and is only 27 years old, hope Sabes locks up Cabrerra soon!

So far it looks good. We will see how it all plays out in the end and whether he is just a 1 year guy.

He had a 200 Hit season last season as well, so if he has a strong season, that would be 2 productive seasons in a row for someone who is 27 and will be 28 when he his the open market

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by vrabbit:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Great DP. Uribe is such a waste now. LOL

It seems like every time the Dodgers sign a player away from the Giants, they get absolutely nothing out of them. Jason Schmidt got paid 50 mil. to make just 10 awful starts in Dodger blue. Uribe got 21 mil and has been a complete waste. and who could forget Eugenio Velez, who set the Major League record for most AB's in a season without getting a hit last year. Thats right, Velez took 37 AB's as a Dodger, and went 0 for 37. He is no longer with the team.

I like to think of these 3 guys as classic Giants. The showed true commitment to the team by continuing to kill the Dodgers even after their days with SF.

I was devastated when Schmidt signed with the Dodgers, since I consider him one of my top 5 favorite Giants of all time. But in the end it all worked out. I will say, for those of you too young to remember, that from the span of about mid 2002 to mid 2004, Jason Schmidt was better than Tim Lincecum at his peak. Schmidt had a changeup that got more swingthrough strikes than any pitch from any pitcher in baseball. The fact that he lost the 2003 CY to Eric Gagne is one of the biggest travesties of all time. Right smack in the middle of the steroid era, he was un-hittable in 03. A crying shame.

yes to almost all of this, I would have a hard time making a convincing argument for either Timmy or Jason being better at their peak, but my god he was filthy

I agree that Schmidt was awesome for that very short time frame. His 2003 season was certainly amazing but I would also have a hard time saying he was better than Timmy. Also, saying Gagne winning the CY award that year was one of the biggest travesties of all time is a huge stretch. Gagne had probably the most amazing season ever for a RP. 55 saves, ZERO blown saves, and a whip of 0.69. Gagne was simply unhittable although I'm sure it was steroids that helped his cause. However, if you include that in the argument that he shouldnt win you would have to take away some of Bonds MVPS.

I agree that Lincecum has been better for longer, but I guess what I mean is, at their absolute peaks, Schmidt was better. Timmy did it longer, but Schmidt reached a level of dominance (although it was short lived), that Lincecum never has. Every night Schmidt had a chance to throw a no hitter. Lincecum has never really mastered the art of efficiency, which is why he doesnt toss shutouts very often. There was also never the "which guy are we getting tonight" factor with Schmidt. He'd just dominate almost every time. During his run of dominance, I think I saw him give up 5 ER or more like 2 or 3 times. Lincecum has been prone to a shelling every few outings, even during his CY seasons.

in 2003 Schmidt had a stretch of 8 starts where he went 9.0 ip 0 ER, 9.0 ip 2 ER, 9.0 ip 0 ER, 9.0 ip 0 ER, 9.0 ip 1 ER for 5 of the 8. I watched all of both Schmidt and Lincecum's runs with the Giants, and I never saw Lincecum at a point where he was as good as 2003 Schmidt.

As far as Gagne goes, I dont blame him for being on roids. Half of baseball was on steroids in 2003, so singling out any player and trying to erase their name from the books is pointless to me. If you erased the stats of everyone in baseball history who cheated in some way, youd have to remove half of the games history.

Schmidt got robbed in 03 because a RP should NEVER win the CY award. I firmly believe that, and always will. Gagne was the most unhittable pitcher in baseball that season, but he only pitched 82 innings. Schmidt pitched 208. The CY award is meant to go to the BEST pitcher in baseball for that season, and if you arent pitching close to 200 or more innings, theres no way you can be the best IMO. The saves streak was impressive, but thats what the Rolaids Relief award is for.

Well.. there have been 9 RP's who have won the CY award and 3 ( Fingers, Hernandez, and Eck) that won the MVP in those years. Considering that Gagne's year was the probably the greatest season ever for a RP its hard to consider that one of "the greatest travesties of all time".

Thats your opinion. I dont think a RP should ever win the award. Obviously I was exaggerating based on my feelings on that season, but pitchers who dont even throw 100 innings have no business winning an award meant to crown the best pitcher in baseball.

Originally posted by sfgiantdave:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by sfgiantdave:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Sabean should only trade with the Pirates. LOL

I would add Kansas City Royals to the list as well, Jonathan Sanchez according Baggs just got placed on the DL with Bicep Tendinitis and Melky Cabrerra is looking like a keeper and is only 27 years old, hope Sabes locks up Cabrerra soon!

So far it looks good. We will see how it all plays out in the end and whether he is just a 1 year guy.

He had a 200 Hit season last season as well, so if he has a strong season, that would be 2 productive seasons in a row for someone who is 27 and will be 28 when he his the open market

I meant one year guy for the Giants.

Originally posted by Niners99:
Thats your opinion. I dont think a RP should ever win the award. Obviously I was exaggerating based on my feelings on that season, but pitchers who dont even throw 100 innings have no business winning an award meant to crown the best pitcher in baseball.

And that is your opinion. Obviously there are people who disagree which is why there have been 9 guys to win the CY award. I think you could easily argue that Mariano Rivera was the most valuable pitcher in the AL several times and that he meant more to that team in the Yankees glory years than any starting pitcher in the league.

Blanco CF Burriss 2B Cabrera LF Posey C Belt 1B Schierholtz RF Arias 3B Crawford SS Lincecum SP

That's my ideal lineup, barring Pagan is in there instead of blanco.

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by dcsham:
Told you all yesterday that we would win last night. Hopefully one day off from "the sky is falling doomsday season is over we suck Bochy sucks Crawford sucks Pill sucks San Francisco sucks Matt Cain wants to be somewhere else Timmy sucks our bullpen is garbage our minor league system is the worst in baseball we are fielding a team of triple A players our world series was a fluke goodbye to relevency see you in 10 years Pagan sucks Sabean is the antichrist I can't watch this sh*t Belt can't hit Schierholtz sucks our scouting department is trash" type of posts.

Just one day off maybe...

because winning a game 2-1 means the sky is not falling

The sky wasn't falling before we won the game last night; the sky won't be falling if we lose tonight.

Originally posted by dcsham:

Originally posted by danimal:

Originally posted by dcsham:
Told you all yesterday that we would win last night. Hopefully one day off from "the sky is falling doomsday season is over we suck Bochy sucks Crawford sucks Pill sucks San Francisco sucks Matt Cain wants to be somewhere else Timmy sucks our bullpen is garbage our minor league system is the worst in baseball we are fielding a team of triple A players our world series was a fluke goodbye to relevency see you in 10 years Pagan sucks Sabean is the antichrist I can't watch this sh*t Belt can't hit Schierholtz sucks our scouting department is trash" type of posts.

Just one day off maybe...

because winning a game 2-1 means the sky is not falling

The sky wasn't falling before we won the game last night; the sky won't be falling if we lose tonight.

all depends on how we lose

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Niners99:
Thats your opinion. I dont think a RP should ever win the award. Obviously I was exaggerating based on my feelings on that season, but pitchers who dont even throw 100 innings have no business winning an award meant to crown the best pitcher in baseball.

And that is your opinion. Obviously there are people who disagree which is why there have been 9 guys to win the CY award. I think you could easily argue that Mariano Rivera was the most valuable pitcher in the AL several times and that he meant more to that team in the Yankees glory years than any starting pitcher in the league.

I'm kind of torn between both of you on this, because I see some merit in what each of you have to say. There is a certain mindset and aura that comes from being a dominant closer, and if you can tie in wins, saves, whip, stikeout to walk ratio etc. to a relief pitcher that has a dominant year then I can see John's point. However, I do agree with 99 in the sense that it is such a limited sample of work, and does a "specialist" really deserve to win the highest pitching award.

BTW 99, you come up with some good arguments but even you admit to exaggerating your points. If you could tone that down a little you would probably have a lot more people agree with you on certain things because they would read what you have to say and think about your point of view. That being said for my part I'm always interested in what you have to say, even though like John, you are almost always wrong... jk jk jk jk