Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
Its all in good fun bro. I hope my message didnt come off as me talking down or something. Just trying to have a fun sports debate with you.
not at all.
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Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
Its all in good fun bro. I hope my message didnt come off as me talking down or something. Just trying to have a fun sports debate with you.
Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
Ah yes. The good old "you must not watch the games" assumption, coupled with the "only looking at stats" assumption. Nicely done.
He had a great season. I agree.
He was the primary scorer and ball handler on a 60 win team. I agree.
But how do either of those two sentences make him more deserving than a player who had a great season, was the primary scorer and ball handler on a team that won a couple of less games?
Are you a Giants fan Jcool? Only reason I ask is because I assume you think that Lincecum deserved his two Cy Youngs right? Well if baseball voters use the same logic as basketball voters do, Timmy would have zero CYs. Felix wouldnt have his either. An I really dont understand your Alex Rodriguez issue. He was clearly the best player in all of baseball when he won his MVP. It makes ZERO sense that someones lack of a good team could prevent a player from winning an MVP. Much like it makes no sense that an MVP award is given out based on team success (like the NBA does).
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
Ah yes. The good old "you must not watch the games" assumption, coupled with the "only looking at stats" assumption. Nicely done.
He had a great season. I agree.
He was the primary scorer and ball handler on a 60 win team. I agree.
But how do either of those two sentences make him more deserving than a player who had a great season, was the primary scorer and ball handler on a team that won a couple of less games?
Are you a Giants fan Jcool? Only reason I ask is because I assume you think that Lincecum deserved his two Cy Youngs right? Well if baseball voters use the same logic as basketball voters do, Timmy would have zero CYs. Felix wouldnt have his either. An I really dont understand your Alex Rodriguez issue. He was clearly the best player in all of baseball when he won his MVP. It makes ZERO sense that someones lack of a good team could prevent a player from winning an MVP. Much like it makes no sense that an MVP award is given out based on team success (like the NBA does).
Who exactly was a player who had a great season and was the primary ball handler? LeBron wasnt, Howard wasnt, Dirk wasnt, Kobe wasnt. And I guess since you had to try to debunk me with the first sentence clearly shows you don't watch the games. Its okay you seem to be a baseball guy anyway. And since your good at assuming things I will assume your an Oakland A's fan since they helped to popularize sabermetric's, which is clearly the type of statics you like. Also A-Rod was not the best player.... Bonds and Pujols were much better players.
Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
Honestly, what you just wrote is the exact reason I didnt want to get into this. Resorting to insults. SMH.
Who had a great season and was the primary ball hander? LeBron and Kobe both fall into this category. So did Westbrook (I only include him because his statistics were eerily similar to Rose's last year). The fact that you said Kobe wasnt shows you dont know what you are talking about (highest usage rates in the league).
Keep saying I dont watch the games. Its pretty much the only thing you can say since you havent really successfully made any valid points that argue against anything that I wrote a few posts ago. And I am not an A's fan. I root for them because they are local, but I honestly wouldnt care if the team was contracted. You are right, ARod was not the best player in the league.....just the best in the American League (which is why he won the MVP).
Would you like to get back to the topic, or would you like to continue with the baseless assumptions and ignoring pretty much everything I post, minus maybe a sentence per post?
Originally posted by HarryPeterson:It hasto go to Rogers
Originally posted by andes14:
I likely agree, but the devil's advocate argument that the Packers would win a helluva lot more games without Rodgers than the Saints would sans Brees is a strong one.
Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
Im sorry bro, but this argument is completely baseless and impossible to prove. Regardless of what your stance is on who the MVP is, you cannot base it on a statement such as that one.
Originally posted by HarryPeterson:
It hasto go to Rogers