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Originally posted by IWasWrongRubber:
Now this is getting interesting...
Murder? A coverup? Off the DA before he can prosecute?
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/questions-on-sandusky-wrapped-in-2005-gricar-mystery.html
Originally posted by SportsFan:
Something just doesn't add up.
This McQuery (is that his name) who reported to JoePa in 2002 is an assistant at Pen State now right? And Sandusky, even though he retired in 99, still has an office at Pen State and was around campus a fair amount? So, this McQuery guy who supposedly told JoePa he saw Sandusky having sex with a boy in the locker room must have seen Sandusky around campus over the past few years. Wouldn't you be like WTF is this guy still doing around? This is why I am struggling to believe this guy described it to JoePa as he has said in the grand jury testimony.
If I saw someone doing this to a kid, first I wouldn't have gone to my boss, I would have gone right to the police. And if I just went to my boss and they said they would handle you can be sure I would be following up. Especially if I saw this guy around work after that point.
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Originally posted by Jcool:
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by ninersush:
Originally posted by Joecool:
One of the boy's mother even confroted Sandusky. There's all your "This is what I would do..." talk. She was the boy's mother and this is ALL she did.
Gricar, he said, reviewed the police reports in private including, presumably, notes or recordings of two conversations that the police heard between Sandusky and the boy's mother. But Gricar had a reputation for thoroughness, and if he thought he had enough to charge Sandusky, he would have, De Boef and other lawyers said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/questions-on-sandusky-wrapped-in-2005-gricar-mystery.html?_r=1
Like I said, you all can say this or that should happen or you would have done this or that, but it's always easier when you are outside looking in.
And Sandusky could be even more of a fearful person that a predator. This guy fooled a s**t load of people so to go out and flame Joe Pa...well...let's wait until this is all done before you guys say he shoulda....and since he didn't he should go to jail or quit what he loves doing.
the poor boy's mother was the one who filed the charges with the police. let's not forget that sandusky got his victims from the foundation. they were underprivlidged kids that had single parents. so its very easy to see how a person as beloved/powerful/etc as sandusky could strong arm his way around a underprivlidged family that was trying to make a quick buck by making up bs about a legendary coach.
there is no doubt that sandusky should be tortured endlessly for the next 50 years. there is no doubt that the two administrators that have stepped down/fired are completely to blame, but that does not mean that paterno who was the most powerful man on campus, if even on paper only he had a superior, knew all and ignored all. paterno brought in all the money, all the boosters, all the media. he could bring the masses of students and alumni down on any administrator if he wanted to, even the AD, university president, whoever in that university. because paterno brought in 50% if not more of the money to run that university and pay everyone's salaries. so yeah paterno was the most powerful man. no way he doesn't hear all/see all/know all. no chance what so ever. if you don't believe that, then we can agree to disagree.
in crimes like this, i'd rather shoot first and ask questions later. at worst you arrest and charge an innocent man and he has done nothing and this is far better then the alternative. the alternative being what actually happened.
Yes but that's all assuming that Joe PA believed enough to warrant doing this. Like I said, the people a monster fools first are the ones closest to him. We need to see how this plays out before we start puffing our chests out. Not saying you are puffing your chest out but it annoys me to hear, "I would do this..." "He shoulda..." talk.
Unless you've been there, you have NO idea what you would do and you have NO idea what JoePA knew or was aware of. For all we know, he's an old man that was oblivious to what goes on around him and was ONLY a figure head.
The one's closest are always the quickest to fool.
Originally posted by schmons:
Originally posted by IWasWrongRubber:
Now this is getting interesting...
Murder? A coverup? Off the DA before he can prosecute?
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/questions-on-sandusky-wrapped-in-2005-gricar-mystery.html
it sounds like the guy did not want to prosecute sandusky and decided to run away.
Originally posted by ninersush:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by ninersush:
Originally posted by Joecool:
One of the boy's mother even confroted Sandusky. There's all your "This is what I would do..." talk. She was the boy's mother and this is ALL she did.
Gricar, he said, reviewed the police reports in private including, presumably, notes or recordings of two conversations that the police heard between Sandusky and the boy's mother. But Gricar had a reputation for thoroughness, and if he thought he had enough to charge Sandusky, he would have, De Boef and other lawyers said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/questions-on-sandusky-wrapped-in-2005-gricar-mystery.html?_r=1
Like I said, you all can say this or that should happen or you would have done this or that, but it's always easier when you are outside looking in.
And Sandusky could be even more of a fearful person that a predator. This guy fooled a s**t load of people so to go out and flame Joe Pa...well...let's wait until this is all done before you guys say he shoulda....and since he didn't he should go to jail or quit what he loves doing.
the poor boy's mother was the one who filed the charges with the police. let's not forget that sandusky got his victims from the foundation. they were underprivlidged kids that had single parents. so its very easy to see how a person as beloved/powerful/etc as sandusky could strong arm his way around a underprivlidged family that was trying to make a quick buck by making up bs about a legendary coach.
there is no doubt that sandusky should be tortured endlessly for the next 50 years. there is no doubt that the two administrators that have stepped down/fired are completely to blame, but that does not mean that paterno who was the most powerful man on campus, if even on paper only he had a superior, knew all and ignored all. paterno brought in all the money, all the boosters, all the media. he could bring the masses of students and alumni down on any administrator if he wanted to, even the AD, university president, whoever in that university. because paterno brought in 50% if not more of the money to run that university and pay everyone's salaries. so yeah paterno was the most powerful man. no way he doesn't hear all/see all/know all. no chance what so ever. if you don't believe that, then we can agree to disagree.
in crimes like this, i'd rather shoot first and ask questions later. at worst you arrest and charge an innocent man and he has done nothing and this is far better then the alternative. the alternative being what actually happened.
Yes but that's all assuming that Joe PA believed enough to warrant doing this. Like I said, the people a monster fools first are the ones closest to him. We need to see how this plays out before we start puffing our chests out. Not saying you are puffing your chest out but it annoys me to hear, "I would do this..." "He shoulda..." talk.
Unless you've been there, you have NO idea what you would do and you have NO idea what JoePA knew or was aware of. For all we know, he's an old man that was oblivious to what goes on around him and was ONLY a figure head.
The one's closest are always the quickest to fool.
i get what you are saying about the one's closest are always the quickest to fool. ofcourse no one wants to believe that your friend that you toiled with for decades on end would be capable of doing something like this. and absolutely it is difficult to say that without a doubt i would have done this, becuase like you said earlier in the moment its harder to react due to adrenaline, emotions, etc then normal. i totally get that. first i wanna say that i left out the grad assistant in this and he probably should take the majority of the blame cause he actually saw it. but the next day the grad assistant went to paterno. so now the grad assistant had what about 12 hours to think about this? if it were me, maybe i would have consulted my family and closest friends. having read another article, the grad assistant was born and raised in state college. so he was probably leery of throwing such an accusation out. so ok he goes to family friends and they might say hey look this is pretty serious stuff. take it to paterno. he will do the right thing. so that is what the kid (28 years old at that time) does. he trust that paterno will handle it properly by looking into it and if there is anything wrong that it will be taken care of. at this point i would suspect that family/friends of grad assistant & himself want to konw what happened/happens. cause see when you see something like that, there is no way you can just forget about it. regardless of adrenaline, emotions, etc. so now paterno, with knowledge of the 1998 incident tells the higher ups. then the only thing that results is that sandusky is not allowed on campus w children anymore. thats it. that is all that happens. so now as the grad assistant you ask yourself i know what i saw. i konw it damit. there was no question. and this is it? grad assistant definitely should have done more. paterno knowing of both incidents now definitely should have done more. i just think the first time ok you give the benefit of the doubt because its your pal and you can't believe it. but at the same time this is some of the most serious crimes anyone can think of. so then the second time its not a coincidence or some poor family trying to make a buck or hearsay or misunderstanding. the second time when paterno reports it to his higher ups a day after he is told, now two days after the incident, he's mulled this over for probably 24 hours. he knows what he is doing. he is not some old man that was senile and didnt know what was going on and had the wool pulled over his eyes. he knew. and he did nothing.
Originally posted by SportsFan:
Something just doesn't add up.
This McQuery (is that his name) who reported to JoePa in 2002 is an assistant at Pen State now right? And Sandusky, even though he retired in 99, still has an office at Pen State and was around campus a fair amount? So, this McQuery guy who supposedly told JoePa he saw Sandusky having sex with a boy in the locker room must have seen Sandusky around campus over the past few years. Wouldn't you be like WTF is this guy still doing around? This is why I am struggling to believe this guy described it to JoePa as he has said in the grand jury testimony.
If I saw someone doing this to a kid, first I wouldn't have gone to my boss, I would have gone right to the police. And if I just went to my boss and they said they would handle you can be sure I would be following up. Especially if I saw this guy around work after that point.
). He was also a great friend of Paterno and wanted to stay around the program after he was learned he would never be the successor to Joe Pa. It was not strange at all that he was still around campus.Originally posted by ninersush:
joecool im not trying to bag on you. i've seen your posts before on 9ers stuff and respect it. i post occassionally on the 9ers forum. but this is something that is so so so so unbelievably horrific that i have to post on it. so nothing against you. just trying to have a discussion. cause its my way of getting out how i feel about this situation and more importantly how badly i feel for the victims and their families.
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Originally posted by spizzy:
McQueary is currently wide receivers coach. He was a graduate assistant coach at the time of the incident. Sandusky was around Penn State after his retirement because he was staple in the program and well known throughout the community. He held local football camps in addition to his charity work (which he used to exploit children
But I agree with your second part
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
No, you are right, it's not strange he was around campus, it is downright inappropriate, negligent and criminal. After the 1st round of allegations that led to his retirement, he should have been banned and looked into. After the 2nd round of accusations in which there were witnesses, he should have been turned in to the police, not had his keys and kids on campus privileges taken away from him. Give me a break.