Originally posted by andes14:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by andes14:
Originally posted by socalfan21:
Deng scores more because he was the number 2 option on his team this year... Odom was the 3rd or 4th option on most nights. Odoms defense is very very good. Deng might be a bit better. Odom is so much more versatile than a Deng because he handles the ball as well as plays multiple positions.
They were both the #3 options on their teams this year (Booz was the #2 on Chicago). Besides, Odom has never averaged as many points as Deng has in each of the last 2 seasons and there has been several years where LO was the #1 or #2 scoring option. Deng received several votes for DPOY and is likely a top 3-5 perimeter defender, and IMO Odom is a sub-par defender, certainly not "very very good." Yes Odom plays both forward positions and is a better rebounder because of that, but I believe most teams would rather have Deng than Odom, especially when you factor in age.
Deng was most certainly the number 2 option this year. What you meant to say is that Carlos Boozer was supposed to be the number 2 option, but injuries, lack of chemistry, and sucking balls prevented it. Aside from that, you are completely ignoring Odom's playmaking ability which dwarf's Deng's. This playmaking ability is why he's never been much of a scorer. He certainly can score and is pretty efficient, but that's not the type of game he plays. Odom is the far superior ball handler, passer, and rebounder. Also, Odom is a good defender, not all-world, but he's very capable and certainly nowhere near "sub-par". I question how much you actually watch the Lakers to be making statements like this. If one were to question LO, the biggest hole in his game is his IQ (or more specifically, lapses in mental fortitude), but then again, I doubt you've ever really watched him on a nightly basis.
Boozer took more shots per game and scored more points per game than Deng. Granted it was by slight margins, but that fact alone proves it silly to say that Deng was "most certainly" the #2 option. And despite Odom's playmaking skills, he only averaged .2 more assts/gm. He's a better rebounder, yes, he also played every single regular season minute as a power forward so of course he averaged more RPG. Even if Odom is an ok defender, Deng is still way better. He's also a better shooter, scorer overall, and 6 years younger...and ya, like you said, a higher IQ.
It might be a bit overly simplistic, but there are essentially 4 aspects to basketball- scoring, passing, rebounding, and defense. And to summarize, Odom holds the edge in rebounding (as a PF should), and a SLIGHT edge in passing. Deng is definitely a better scorer (and shooter), a SIGNIFICANTLY better defender. Then when you factor in age and IQ, how is it so preposterous to say the majority of teams would likely prefer Deng to Odom?
Boozer missed a quarter of the season and his playoff performances certainly should show you he wasn't the number two guy on that team. But that's another topic.
You seem to ignore the difference in minutes played in your argument.
Odom has a SIGNIFICANTLY higher assist/min than Deng this year and especially over his career. If you don't think Odom is a FAR SUPERIOR passer, dribbler, and playmaker than Deng, then you don't watch the same game I do.
Odom was also a FAR more efficient shooter this year than Deng 53% field, 38% 3-point VS 46% field, 34% 3-Point. Their career numbers in these categories are very similar so I'd give it a wash there. Odom has the capability to being just an effective offensive scorer as Deng, he's just never had to be.
Odom's rebounds/minute are also far better than Deng's. If Deng even had the versatility to play SF (which he doesn't because he's not nearly as versatile as Odom) he wouldn't even sniff Odom's rebounding numbers.
Also, I don't want to get this BBall IQ thing twisted. Odom has great BBall IQ, however, he has lapses at times. This was far more evident when he was younger. This past season, he played some great ball.
As for defense, again you understate Odom's ability to fit your argument. Odom is a good defender. I wouldn't say Deng is significantly better. Sure he's better, but you're making the difference between the two to be much bigger than it really is.
Bottom line, if the Lakers offered Bynum and Odom for Deng and Noah the Bulls would accept in a heartbeat.