Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by DertyDonahue:
Originally posted by crzy:
Originally posted by DertyDonahue:
This debate is like the "who was a better player, Mantle or Mays?" question.
I respectfully disagree.
But, this should be a thread (Mantle vs. Mays), if it isn't already.
Willie Mays was HOF caliber in all 5 tools.
whats your argument for Mantle being better anyways?
Happy Birthday, Willie Mays!
Let me say this before I go on about why I think Mantle was a better player than Mays. I think Willie was the second-best position player in Giants history, and as a lifelong rabid SF Giants fan I don't want to post anything hasty.
Mantle won more championships.
He was a little guy who once hit a baseball 763
He had speed, he could drag bunt.
Mickey did everything well in baseball, including switch hitting.
He could have played any position and been amongst the greatest all-time at said position.
He manned CF for the NY Yankees, had a great arm.
He hit 18 career World Series home runs.
He filled the shoes of Joe Dimaggio.
Mays lost almost two years to the war, but Mantle lost the last five and a half years of his career to a different war. After his season ending injury on his "good" leg in 1963, an already ever-pained Mantle continued to put up respectable numbers.
Although he played in 17 seasons of MLB, Mantle suffered (what many believe to be) a torn right ACL chasing a flyball hit by none other than Willie Mays in the World Series. Surgery to repair this injury was not available at the time, so in theory, Mantle played (nearly) his entire career with a torn ACL.
In 1963 he tore the cartilage in his left knee and broke his foot running into the outfield fence attempting to run down a flyball. Towards the end of his career he could barely swing a bat without pain and regularly fell to one knee in pain, which undoubtedly caused him only more pain, yet continued to be an everyday player, unlike the Say Hey.
Despite playing at less than 100% for nearly his entire career, he managed to put up amazing numbers.
He is the best switch hitter ever to play baseball.
I tried to keep reasons why I like him so much as a player out of the list, but this discussion has so many layers and each player was unique in their own regard. It's important to mention that from my early childhood every easter, thanksgiving and christmas this discussion was savagely debated and attacked from all angles by men at the dinner table, sipping whiskey and smoking cigars. The Baseball Encyclopedia was being used as evidence, for and against. Man, furious debates.
The wives and mothers of these men have forbidden the discussion at family functions for well over a decade.
I'm not trying to say any of this qualifies my opinion more than the next, but I am very familar with this debate.
IMHO, Mantle gets the nod, slightly
, and most of that is slightly
is in regard to the sexy "what if" forever linked to the name Mickey Mantle.
Plus, Mantle beat Mays in HR Derby, as well as winning one more round (total) than Willie.
edit: still hasty. i can post stats if that would help, but like krukow said recently (and historically) baseball is a game of talking. the evolution of baseball statistics passed me by in the late 90's. i hesitate to post statistic analysis and comparison because it has evolved beyond my level of expertise and comprehension.
[ Edited by DertyDonahue on May 6, 2011 at 01:22:52 ]