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2010-11 Back-to-Back NBA Champion Los Angeles Lakers Thread

Originally posted by socalfan21:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by socalfan21:
Who was/ is a better defender? Jerry West or Kobe

Kobe and it's not even close.

Do you have reasons? I am debating a friend. I know he is a better defender but my friend seems not to think so.

Kobe is black and jerry west is white
Originally posted by socalfan21:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by socalfan21:
Who was/ is a better defender? Jerry West or Kobe

Kobe and it's not even close.

Do you have reasons? I am debating a friend. I know he is a better defender but my friend seems not to think so.

LOL. Kobe's bigger, faster, longer, and has been effective in defending passing lanes and guards the PG through SF positions.

I guess if you want to give him one example, Rondo killed everyone else in the playoffs last year, but was relatively quiet against the Lakers in the Finals with Kobe guarding him. On the other hand, Walt Frazier dropped a nice, fat 36 point, 19 assist game on West in Game 7 of the 1970 Finals. That's not a typo.

West was a solid defender, but not in Kobe's class.

[ Edited by LA9erFan on Oct 19, 2010 at 09:23:16 ]
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Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by socalfan21:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by socalfan21:
Who was/ is a better defender? Jerry West or Kobe

Kobe and it's not even close.

Do you have reasons? I am debating a friend. I know he is a better defender but my friend seems not to think so.

LOL. Kobe's bigger, faster, longer, and has been effective in defending passing lanes and guards the PG through SF positions.

I guess if you want to give him one example, Rondo killed everyone else in the playoffs last year, but was relatively quiet against the Lakers in the Finals with Kobe guarding him. On the other hand, Walt Frazier dropped a nice, fat 36 point, 19 assist game on West in Game 7 of the 1970 Finals. That's not a typo.

West was a solid defender, but not in Kobe's class.

holy s**t
Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by socalfan21:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by socalfan21:
Who was/ is a better defender? Jerry West or Kobe

Kobe and it's not even close.

Do you have reasons? I am debating a friend. I know he is a better defender but my friend seems not to think so.

LOL. Kobe's bigger, faster, longer, and has been effective in defending passing lanes and guards the PG through SF positions.

I guess if you want to give him one example, Rondo killed everyone else in the playoffs last year, but was relatively quiet against the Lakers in the Finals with Kobe guarding him. On the other hand, Walt Frazier dropped a nice, fat 36 point, 19 assist game on West in Game 7 of the 1970 Finals. That's not a typo.

West was a solid defender, but not in Kobe's class.

holy s**t

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So WTF did Jordan say about Kobe? They did this whole build up on espnews and then I didn't hear them cover it.
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
So WTF did Jordan say about Kobe? They did this whole build up on espnews and then I didn't hear them cover it.

I know he said the other day that Kobe was a "Top 10" guard in history. I think. Kobe was just like "whatever, Top 10 could mean top 2, top 5, anything. I don't care." Media then tried to blow it out of proportion.

Paraphrasing by me, but that's what I heard. Unless Jordan said something new.
Originally posted by nipplehead:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
So WTF did Jordan say about Kobe? They did this whole build up on espnews and then I didn't hear them cover it.

I know he said the other day that Kobe was a "Top 10" guard in history. I think. Kobe was just like "whatever, Top 10 could mean top 2, top 5, anything. I don't care." Media then tried to blow it out of proportion.

Paraphrasing by me, but that's what I heard. Unless Jordan said something new.

Yeah, and in context with how Jordan talks about himself, it's not a diss. He considers himself to be "one of" the greats (although you know in his heart he feels like he's the best), so there's no reason that he wouldn't be as non-commital with Kobe.

It's just the media trying to stoke the endless Jordan/Kobe flames.
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Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by nipplehead:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
So WTF did Jordan say about Kobe? They did this whole build up on espnews and then I didn't hear them cover it.

I know he said the other day that Kobe was a "Top 10" guard in history. I think. Kobe was just like "whatever, Top 10 could mean top 2, top 5, anything. I don't care." Media then tried to blow it out of proportion.

Paraphrasing by me, but that's what I heard. Unless Jordan said something new.

Yeah, and in context with how Jordan talks about himself, it's not a diss. He considers himself to be "one of" the greats (although you know in his heart he feels like he's the best), so there's no reason that he wouldn't be as non-commital with Kobe.

It's just the media trying to stoke the endless Jordan/Kobe flames.

Ya there really is no story there.
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Bynum Progressing Quicker Than Expected
Oct 24, 2010 9:50 PM EST

Lakers center Andrew Bynum is progressing quicker than expected in his return from surgery performed on his right knee in July.

Bynum ran on the treadmill Sunday with his full body weight on the knee, graduating from an altered gravity machine that he had been using to ease himself back into playing condition.

"He went through some activity that was accelerated," Los Angeles coach Phil Jackson said.

"I think he wants to ramp it up a little bit faster than we want him to. We want him to be able to go in and sustain that effort when he does get back, so he needs to have a real base. He needs a foundation to come back and play with. ... We want him back tomorrow, but if he's back in two, three, four weeks, we understand what it's going to take."

Jackson said the team is hoping that Bynum will return around Thanksgiving.
^^Cool. Sit him down till late February and I'll be happy.
We're on the eve of the 10-11 season (), and yes, I am leaving work early tomorrow to prepare for my night of basketball geekery.

My impressions of the preseason...

Kobe - He looked freaking old and hobbled out there. I'm hoping that it's just a function of him both regaining strength in the knee, and him holding back. In the last preseason game, he was a lot more active than he had been, which was great to see. His shot was still off, but I'm not worried about that. I'm really curious to see how he looks tomorrow.

Gasol - Same ol' Gasol. He made it out of the preseason healthy, which is all I wanted. You know what you're gonna get from him. He may be heavily relied upon at the beginning of this year, with Kobe being hobbled and Bynum being out.

Odom - He was our best player in the preseason. His activity level was great on both ends. He looks like he's really settled into his role in LA. I used to really dislike him, but he's grown on me.

Artest - The highlight of the preseason, IMO. He's slimmed down, his jumper was falling, and most importantly...he was decisive. That's a huge difference from last year, when he was thinking instead of just playing.

Fisher - Same ole' Fisher.

Steve Blake - I'm very excited about Blake. He makes passes that no one on the team makes...he has legit PG level court vision, and we haven't had that for a while. He was really pressing with his shot at the beginning of the preseason, but came around at the end. He also understood the triangle pretty well considering he's a newbie.

Matt Barnes - His speed and ability to change ends was the biggest surprise of the preseason for me. Last year, we had a lot of trouble with young, athletic teams that could change ends quickly, but when he was on the floor we were often the faster team. The difference between him and Artest in this respect is noticeable.

He was so-so in the triangle. When he was on the perimeter, he was often in the wrong spot or too close to a teammate, ruining spacing. But he was fantastic at cutting and getting buckets that way. Defensively he was solid, as was the case on the boards.

Shannon Brown - The coaches had a lot of praise for the work that he put in in the offseason, and his shot looked a lot better now that he doesn't have a sprained thumb. He's become a black hole though...he's pretty much gonna jack it up there every time. I don't know if this is by design, I think it is, but I wish he'd scale it back a bit here.

Theo Ratliff - I didn't think he was very good in the triangle, but he's still a very effective inside presence on the defensive end. He blocked and changed a ton of shots.

Devin Ebanks - This dude's legit. Total steal by Kupchak. Does a great job of running the floor, defending his position, crashing the boards, and knocking down open shots. Apparently the vets and coaching staff love him. Great activity level. I hope he gets some run this year, but it's gonna be hard finding him a spot.

Sasha Vujacic - Ugh.

Luke Walton - Ugh.

Derrick Caracter - The biggest disappointment of the preseason. He crashed the boards and used his body well, but he's thinking WAY too much out there. His lack of length was a problem on a few occasions as well. He could be a contributor down the line, but he has a long way to go offensively.

Summary - I love how much we've increased our team speed. That and our outside shooting were our two biggest weaknesses. If Blake can do what he's always done from distance, and Barnes can run the floor the way he does, we're better in both areas.

I'm worried about Kobe, but if my biggest concern is whether or not Kobe's gonna be ready to show up when it matters...things are looking pretty good.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
We're on the eve of the 10-11 season (), and yes, I am leaving work early tomorrow to prepare for my night of basketball geekery.

My impressions of the preseason...

Kobe - He looked freaking old and hobbled out there. I'm hoping that it's just a function of him both regaining strength in the knee, and him holding back. In the last preseason game, he was a lot more active than he had been, which was great to see. His shot was still off, but I'm not worried about that. I'm really curious to see how he looks tomorrow.

Gasol - Same ol' Gasol. He made it out of the preseason healthy, which is all I wanted. You know what you're gonna get from him. He may be heavily relied upon at the beginning of this year, with Kobe being hobbled and Bynum being out.

Odom - He was our best player in the preseason. His activity level was great on both ends. He looks like he's really settled into his role in LA. I used to really dislike him, but he's grown on me.

Artest - The highlight of the preseason, IMO. He's slimmed down, his jumper was falling, and most importantly...he was decisive. That's a huge difference from last year, when he was thinking instead of just playing.

Fisher - Same ole' Fisher.

Steve Blake - I'm very excited about Blake. He makes passes that no one on the team makes...he has legit PG level court vision, and we haven't had that for a while. He was really pressing with his shot at the beginning of the preseason, but came around at the end. He also understood the triangle pretty well considering he's a newbie.

Matt Barnes - His speed and ability to change ends was the biggest surprise of the preseason for me. Last year, we had a lot of trouble with young, athletic teams that could change ends quickly, but when he was on the floor we were often the faster team. The difference between him and Artest in this respect is noticeable.

He was so-so in the triangle. When he was on the perimeter, he was often in the wrong spot or too close to a teammate, ruining spacing. But he was fantastic at cutting and getting buckets that way. Defensively he was solid, as was the case on the boards.

Shannon Brown - The coaches had a lot of praise for the work that he put in in the offseason, and his shot looked a lot better now that he doesn't have a sprained thumb. He's become a black hole though...he's pretty much gonna jack it up there every time. I don't know if this is by design, I think it is, but I wish he'd scale it back a bit here.

Theo Ratliff - I didn't think he was very good in the triangle, but he's still a very effective inside presence on the defensive end. He blocked and changed a ton of shots.

Devin Ebanks - This dude's legit. Total steal by Kupchak. Does a great job of running the floor, defending his position, crashing the boards, and knocking down open shots. Apparently the vets and coaching staff love him. Great activity level. I hope he gets some run this year, but it's gonna be hard finding him a spot.

Sasha Vujacic - Ugh.

Luke Walton - Ugh.

Derrick Caracter - The biggest disappointment of the preseason. He crashed the boards and used his body well, but he's thinking WAY too much out there. His lack of length was a problem on a few occasions as well. He could be a contributor down the line, but he has a long way to go offensively.

Summary - I love how much we've increased our team speed. That and our outside shooting were our two biggest weaknesses. If Blake can do what he's always done from distance, and Barnes can run the floor the way he does, we're better in both areas.

I'm worried about Kobe, but if my biggest concern is whether or not Kobe's gonna be ready to show up when it matters...things are looking pretty good.

Thanks thats good s**t
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