Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Sorry but I think you are the one who has a limited grasp on things.
I'm pretty sure that I only said he was fat and not dedicated to keeping himself in shape. That is actually a fact. Secondly I never said that I didnt like him. I DID say that I would take Ryan Zimmerman over him anyday and I believe virttually every GM would. If you look at the posts in here others agree.
Zimmerman hit over 30 homers and 100 rbis last year and won the Gold Glove. He is on pace to hit 37 homers this year and again drive in over 100 runs. Yet, you seem to think Panda has as much power and would be more coveted than Zimmerman. Umm... ok. I SERIOUSLY doubt that. Now, if Panda WAS in shape and a good defender I might agree with you. However, he isnt.
Then, you compare Harper to Villalona. That is simply a joke. Why? Because of their age? I guess all the major league scouts and people who really understand baseball are completely wrong and you are right. Every single person that I have heard talk about this kid say he is a sure thing to be a very good major league hitter with power. Will he be a superstar? Maybe not. Comparing him to Angel Villalona is a ridiculous and you should know that. Villalona was never even considered the Giants top prospect in the organization let alone the #1 pick in the entire draft.
You say the Giants have "several young potential laden talents on their team, none of which you would deal for unproven talents" Really? Who would those be? Tell me.. which players would you not trade for Stephen Strasburg who is an unproven talent besides Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum? You wouldnt deal Panda for Strasburg?????? You wouldnt trade ANY prospect in our minor league system right now for Harper? REALLY? I know that I would. Bumgarner is the only one who would even be close.
I dont have a problem at all with disagreeing but when you make completely silly comments like these it really does make me wonder about your "grasp" of things.
Again my point is.. which trio has the biggest upside and would be most likely to lead the team to the WS if they all reached their potential. Would there be some risk? OF COURSE! I really only think Harper is an unknown. Strasburg has already shown me enough to know he is the real deal.
you dont seem to be understanding my points.
do you remember how we got Villalona? he was a 16 year old dominican phenom JUST like Harper. he had tremendous upside. we gave him several million just to sign. at the time it was a record. he didnt enter the draft because he was so coveted, he was going to just sign a multi million dollar signing bonus with clubs scouting him. the Yankees, Red Sox, Mets, Dodgers, etc all were very interested, but Villalona picked the Giants slightly cheaper offer because his family liked their scout the best.
Harper is EXACTLY the perfect guy to use in comparison. im not comparing them NOW. i have no idea why you would come to that conclusion. it doesnt even make sense. Harper right NOW is what Villalona was considered a few years back. and Villalona never panned out, and is now in danger of his career being over from a prison sentence.
the Giants have coveted young players such as Lincecum, Cain, Sandoval, Sanchez, and Posey. the jury is still out on Bumgarner. but the point is, those first 5 guys listed have tons of potential, have already proved they can hack it at the MAJOR league level, and are all young and have the best and brightest years ahead of them. dealing any of them for prospects who are NOT proven, would be stupid. you sound like an A's fan, babbling about the future and "better" prospects.
youre in love with potential. thats all Strasburg and Harper are. they have ZERO major league credentials. the whole point of being coveted is because you may turn into a major league caliber player. if you have guys who have already proven so, you dont deal them for guys who havent proven so. otherwise youre continually rebuilding, like the A's.
RIGHT NOW, you wouldnt deal the Giants 3 for the Nats 3, because you dont deal something you have for something you
might get.
as far as Zim/Sandoval goes, we have to just agree to disagree. Zim is a great player. hes a GG caliber 3B who can hit. Sandoval is a much better PURE hitter, and his power is behind Zim's because hes played several fewer seasons. Zim didnt get his power surge until his 5th season.
i cant stress enough. proven guys >>> unproven guys. the giants have 3 proven guys in that group of 3, the Nats have 1 in theirs. you only trade proven talent for prospective talent if you plan on letting the proven talent walk away.
[ Edited by Niners99 on Jun 17, 2010 at 00:55:02 ]
Do i have to explain it word for word? or do you just take everything literal and jump to conclusions...you can be a power hitter and be a pure hitter. the point is, Zimmerman is not. hes a solid run producing 3B with a gold glove. theres a reason hes a .280 hitter. his ability to hit the ball to all field consistently to get on base simply isnt as good as others.