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All TIME MLB Draft: BirdmanJr is UP. Fincham11 is ON DECK



All I'll say is this. If you act respectfully, you'll never get a "jab" from me.

Back to the draft.
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
All the picks have been fine thus far. However, there should never be an all time MLB draft where the first 2 picks werent Babe Ruth and Willie Mays. They are the best 2 players to ever play the game in my opinion.

I think Bonds, Williams, Mays and Ruth all have good arguments. I just don't think there can ever be a consensus number one considering how drastically the game has changed since its inception.

I think Mays would have hit 800 homeruns if he hadnt missed 2 seasons to military and played in the toughest park in baseball for a RH hitter to hit homers.

Bonds simply was not in the class of Ruth, Mays, Williams, or Gehrig until the roid era. Sorry, but its true.

Same could be said for Ted Williams who missed three prime years of his career due to wars. Bonds played in a pitchers park for most of his career and did end up breaking up the home run record. The best pitcher Mays faced was Koufax, who is arguably one of the greats, but pitchers in the modern area are a totally different beast.

I just don't think there's a consensus best player, just too many variables.

On a side note, where the hell is ATG? A's fans......

[ Edited by itlynstalyn on Apr 8, 2010 at 11:34:13 ]
Originally posted by LA9erFan:


All I'll say is this. If you act respectfully, you'll never get a "jab" from me.

Back to the draft.

First off my initial comment wasn't even at you, but like always you had to make things about you and your so supposed knowledge (i uses the term very loosely), and jumped in firing off stuff.
Don't speak unless spoken to kid.
Back to the draft.
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
All the picks have been fine thus far. However, there should never be an all time MLB draft where the first 2 picks werent Babe Ruth and Willie Mays. They are the best 2 players to ever play the game in my opinion.

I think Bonds, Williams, Mays and Ruth all have good arguments. I just don't think there can ever be a consensus number one considering how drastically the game has changed since its inception.

I think Mays would have hit 800 homeruns if he hadnt missed 2 seasons to military and played in the toughest park in baseball for a RH hitter to hit homers.

Bonds simply was not in the class of Ruth, Mays, Williams, or Gehrig until the roid era. Sorry, but its true.

That's a fair argument.

Bonds had already won multiple MVPs by the time his head grew 3 sizes to big, you can throw him in the argument...

I dont think that is necessarily true. Bonds was a great player obviously but not one of the greatest ever to play until he had help. There are others who have won multiple MVPs who would never be in that discussion.

Listen, Bonds was a great player before the roid era. No doubt he was first ballot HOF. I just dont think he is in the class of the top 4-5 players of all time. However, What IF just looks at one year and doesnt consider the roids era so he probably would be the top pick given that.
Originally posted by Hollywood49er:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:


All I'll say is this. If you act respectfully, you'll never get a "jab" from me.

Back to the draft.

First off my initial comment wasn't even at you, but like always you had to make things about you and your so supposed knowledge (i uses the term very loosely), and jumped in firing off stuff.
Don't speak unless spoken to kid.
Back to the draft.

I asked you why you felt the way that you did, with no level of disrespect, and you just continued making snarky comments. The "kid" and "little guy" stuff is childish. If you want to talk to people without others jumping in, a message board isn't the right platform for you.

[ Edited by LA9erFan on Apr 8, 2010 at 11:38:33 ]
Soooo.... How 'bout them Yankees?
Originally posted by Dino:
Originally posted by Jigga:
QUICK, somebody post a HOT CHICK (or a repulsive one) so that we can re-focus on the 1st Round of our Beloved Draft.


OOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWW!!!!!
Originally posted by Dino:
Alltimegreat is up

Slick is on deck
I'm sorry, guys. I just don't understand why we can't talk about s**t without being pricks to each other. John made the exact same point about Bonds and didn't have to demean anyone else in the process. People don't talk to each other like that in real life, and it pisses me off when they do it behind a computer screen.

[ Edited by LA9erFan on Apr 8, 2010 at 11:44:08 ]
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
All the picks have been fine thus far. However, there should never be an all time MLB draft where the first 2 picks werent Babe Ruth and Willie Mays. They are the best 2 players to ever play the game in my opinion.

I think Bonds, Williams, Mays and Ruth all have good arguments. I just don't think there can ever be a consensus number one considering how drastically the game has changed since its inception.

I think Mays would have hit 800 homeruns if he hadnt missed 2 seasons to military and played in the toughest park in baseball for a RH hitter to hit homers.

Bonds simply was not in the class of Ruth, Mays, Williams, or Gehrig until the roid era. Sorry, but its true.

That's a fair argument.

Bonds had already won multiple MVPs by the time his head grew 3 sizes to big, you can throw him in the argument...

I dont think that is necessarily true. Bonds was a great player obviously but not one of the greatest ever to play until he had help. There are others who have won multiple MVPs who would never be in that discussion.

Listen, Bonds was a great player before the roid era. No doubt he was first ballot HOF. I just dont think he is in the class of the top 4-5 players of all time. However, What IF just looks at one year and doesnt consider the roids era so he probably would be the top pick given that.

What if Bonds had won a championship? How would you view him? Because he and Mays were the greatest 5 tool players EVER.
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
I'm sorry, guys. I just don't understand why we can't talk about s**t without being pricks to each other. John made the exact same point about Bonds and didn't have to demean anyone else in the process. People don't talk to each other like that in real life, and it pisses me off when they do it behind a computer screen.

Originally posted by ninerlifer:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
All the picks have been fine thus far. However, there should never be an all time MLB draft where the first 2 picks werent Babe Ruth and Willie Mays. They are the best 2 players to ever play the game in my opinion.

I think Bonds, Williams, Mays and Ruth all have good arguments. I just don't think there can ever be a consensus number one considering how drastically the game has changed since its inception.

I think Mays would have hit 800 homeruns if he hadnt missed 2 seasons to military and played in the toughest park in baseball for a RH hitter to hit homers.

Bonds simply was not in the class of Ruth, Mays, Williams, or Gehrig until the roid era. Sorry, but its true.

That's a fair argument.

Bonds had already won multiple MVPs by the time his head grew 3 sizes to big, you can throw him in the argument...

I dont think that is necessarily true. Bonds was a great player obviously but not one of the greatest ever to play until he had help. There are others who have won multiple MVPs who would never be in that discussion.

Listen, Bonds was a great player before the roid era. No doubt he was first ballot HOF. I just dont think he is in the class of the top 4-5 players of all time. However, What IF just looks at one year and doesnt consider the roids era so he probably would be the top pick given that.

What if Bonds had won a championship? How would you view him? Because he and Mays were the greatest 5 tool players EVER.

There's another person I want to bring up (in their prime), but don't wanna name drop.

John...what do you think about the "5 tool" argument? Williams probably doesn't fit that description, and Ruth doesn't in the conventional sense (although the pitching's an interesting element).
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
All the picks have been fine thus far. However, there should never be an all time MLB draft where the first 2 picks werent Babe Ruth and Willie Mays. They are the best 2 players to ever play the game in my opinion.

I think Bonds, Williams, Mays and Ruth all have good arguments. I just don't think there can ever be a consensus number one considering how drastically the game has changed since its inception.

I think Mays would have hit 800 homeruns if he hadnt missed 2 seasons to military and played in the toughest park in baseball for a RH hitter to hit homers.

Bonds simply was not in the class of Ruth, Mays, Williams, or Gehrig until the roid era. Sorry, but its true.

That's a fair argument.

Bonds had already won multiple MVPs by the time his head grew 3 sizes to big, you can throw him in the argument...

I dont think that is necessarily true. Bonds was a great player obviously but not one of the greatest ever to play until he had help. There are others who have won multiple MVPs who would never be in that discussion.

Listen, Bonds was a great player before the roid era. No doubt he was first ballot HOF. I just dont think he is in the class of the top 4-5 players of all time. However, What IF just looks at one year and doesnt consider the roids era so he probably would be the top pick given that.

What if Bonds had won a championship? How would you view him? Because he and Mays were the greatest 5 tool players EVER.

Well these guys are the greatest 4 Tool players EVER!

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
All the picks have been fine thus far. However, there should never be an all time MLB draft where the first 2 picks werent Babe Ruth and Willie Mays. They are the best 2 players to ever play the game in my opinion.

I think Bonds, Williams, Mays and Ruth all have good arguments. I just don't think there can ever be a consensus number one considering how drastically the game has changed since its inception.

I think Mays would have hit 800 homeruns if he hadnt missed 2 seasons to military and played in the toughest park in baseball for a RH hitter to hit homers.

Bonds simply was not in the class of Ruth, Mays, Williams, or Gehrig until the roid era. Sorry, but its true.

That's a fair argument.

Bonds had already won multiple MVPs by the time his head grew 3 sizes to big, you can throw him in the argument...

I dont think that is necessarily true. Bonds was a great player obviously but not one of the greatest ever to play until he had help. There are others who have won multiple MVPs who would never be in that discussion.

Listen, Bonds was a great player before the roid era. No doubt he was first ballot HOF. I just dont think he is in the class of the top 4-5 players of all time. However, What IF just looks at one year and doesnt consider the roids era so he probably would be the top pick given that.

What if Bonds had won a championship? How would you view him? Because he and Mays were the greatest 5 tool players EVER.

There's another person I want to bring up (in their prime), but don't wanna name drop.

John...what do you think about the "5 tool" argument? Williams probably doesn't fit that description, and Ruth doesn't in the conventional sense (although the pitching's an interesting element).

I know exactly who are talking about, and he would be #3
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
I'm sorry, guys. I just don't understand why we can't talk about s**t without being pricks to each other. John made the exact same point about Bonds and didn't have to demean anyone else in the process. People don't talk to each other like that in real life, and it pisses me off when they do it behind a computer screen.

Its funny you say this because you throw insults at people all the time, it might not be as blatant as the ones I threw at you, but you do it.