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All TIME MLB Draft: BirdmanJr is UP. Fincham11 is ON DECK

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Originally posted by ninerlifer:
Originally posted by TheSixthRing:
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
All the picks have been fine thus far. However, there should never be an all time MLB draft where the first 2 picks werent Babe Ruth and Willie Mays. They are the best 2 players to ever play the game in my opinion.

I think Bonds, Williams, Mays and Ruth all have good arguments. I just don't think there can ever be a consensus number one considering how drastically the game has changed since its inception.

I think Mays would have hit 800 homeruns if he hadnt missed 2 seasons to military and played in the toughest park in baseball for a RH hitter to hit homers.

Bonds simply was not in the class of Ruth, Mays, Williams, or Gehrig until the roid era. Sorry, but its true.

That's a fair argument.

Bonds had already won multiple MVPs by the time his head grew 3 sizes to big, you can throw him in the argument...

I dont think that is necessarily true. Bonds was a great player obviously but not one of the greatest ever to play until he had help. There are others who have won multiple MVPs who would never be in that discussion.

Listen, Bonds was a great player before the roid era. No doubt he was first ballot HOF. I just dont think he is in the class of the top 4-5 players of all time. However, What IF just looks at one year and doesnt consider the roids era so he probably would be the top pick given that.

What if Bonds had won a championship? How would you view him? Because he and Mays were the greatest 5 tool players EVER.

Well these guys are the greatest 4 Tool players EVER!


Ahhh, yes they are, yes they are!!!!!!!!! Nice one Sixth.

MAYNARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Dave Maynard???
Originally posted by SLICK:
Easy on the names guys.

You're up SLICK.. Im right after and my card is already filled out
Originally posted by Jordache49:
Originally posted by SLICK:
Easy on the names guys.

You're up SLICK.. Im right after and my card is already filled out

I think AllTimeGreat is on the clock.
Originally posted by YourHuckleberry:
Originally posted by Jordache49:
Originally posted by SLICK:
Easy on the names guys.

You're up SLICK.. Im right after and my card is already filled out

I think AllTimeGreat is on the clock.



You're right.. My bad
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
No question Pete that is a factor. There were many great black players that could only play in the Negro leagues. Its impossible really to determine how much that would have affected Ruth, Williams, and others numbers. In todays game, however, I think only 8% of all players are African Americans and there have been few pitchers.

As to your question about 5 tool players... Mays is without question the greatest 5 tool player ever. I just dont see how there is any debate on that. He was just an incredible outfielder and played the toughest position. He had an amazing arm ( which Bonds did not) and one of the greatest base runners ever. Guys who know the game really well like Joe Morgan would tell you its just a no brainer on who the greatest is.

While Ruth and Williams were not great 5 tool players there ability to crush the ball and dominate a game would have to put them in the top of any list of greatest ever.

Yeah, that's a fair point. I also think that along with Bonds' lack of arm, Mays played a more important position. Your average CF is going to be involved in a lot more plays than your average LF, so even if Bonds did have a great arm, he wouldn't be as important defensively as a great CF.

BTW, I'm not arguing for or against any particular player, I was just interested to see how important you think certain elements are.
Originally posted by Jordache49:
Originally posted by YourHuckleberry:
Originally posted by Jordache49:
Originally posted by SLICK:
Easy on the names guys.

You're up SLICK.. Im right after and my card is already filled out

I think AllTimeGreat is on the clock.



You're right.. My bad

Batting out of order, eh?
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I'm gonna get someone awesome.....
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Jordache49:
Originally posted by YourHuckleberry:
Originally posted by Jordache49:
Originally posted by SLICK:
Easy on the names guys.

You're up SLICK.. Im right after and my card is already filled out

I think AllTimeGreat is on the clock.



You're right.. My bad

Batting out of order, eh?




The guy I wanted from the start is still hanging around... Want to get to my pick before he gets grabbed, lol
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Originally posted by Jordache49:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Jordache49:
Originally posted by YourHuckleberry:
Originally posted by Jordache49:
Originally posted by SLICK:
Easy on the names guys.

You're up SLICK.. Im right after and my card is already filled out

I think AllTimeGreat is on the clock.



You're right.. My bad

Batting out of order, eh?

Yeah, I'm actually surprised that 2 or 3 guys are there for me. I thought theyd be long gone by now.




The guy I wanted from the start is still hanging around... Want to get to my pick before he gets grabbed, lol
Originally posted by Jordache49:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Jordache49:
Originally posted by YourHuckleberry:
Originally posted by Jordache49:
Originally posted by SLICK:
Easy on the names guys.

You're up SLICK.. Im right after and my card is already filled out

I think AllTimeGreat is on the clock.



You're right.. My bad

Batting out of order, eh?




The guy I wanted from the start is still hanging around... Want to get to my pick before he gets grabbed, lol

Hmmmm. Lots and lots of great players to choose but there is someone you wanted more than Ruth, Mays, Williams, Gehrig, or Bonds? Interesting.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by Jordache49:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Jordache49:
Originally posted by YourHuckleberry:
Originally posted by Jordache49:
Originally posted by SLICK:
Easy on the names guys.

You're up SLICK.. Im right after and my card is already filled out

I think AllTimeGreat is on the clock.



You're right.. My bad

Batting out of order, eh?




The guy I wanted from the start is still hanging around... Want to get to my pick before he gets grabbed, lol

Hmmmm. Lots and lots of great players to choose but there is someone you wanted more than Ruth, Mays, Williams, Gehrig, or Bonds? Interesting.

I cant wait to see this!!!! Please dont pull an 1234Alex!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by Jordache49:
Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by Jordache49:
Originally posted by YourHuckleberry:
Originally posted by Jordache49:
Originally posted by SLICK:
Easy on the names guys.

You're up SLICK.. Im right after and my card is already filled out

I think AllTimeGreat is on the clock.



You're right.. My bad

Batting out of order, eh?




The guy I wanted from the start is still hanging around... Want to get to my pick before he gets grabbed, lol

Hmmmm. Lots and lots of great players to choose but there is someone you wanted more than Ruth, Mays, Williams, Gehrig, or Bonds? Interesting.


There are a couple of guys that are left that are right there with those guys.
there are a couple of top teners left....I'll give ya that
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
there are a couple of top teners left....I'll give ya that

I sure hope so since there have only been 8 picks.

[ Edited by LA9erFan on Apr 8, 2010 at 13:33:11 ]
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Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
there are a couple of top teners left....I'll give ya that

I sure hope so since there have only been 8 picks.

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