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Blue Jays will listen to Halladay offers

Originally posted by PA9erFaithful:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Braves should offer up Mark Lemke for Roy Halladay straight up

Don't forget to throw in Mark Wohlers....

i was thinking if we had to we would include jeff blauser
[ Edited by valrod33 on Jul 8, 2009 at 11:15 AM ]
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by PA9erFaithful:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Braves should offer up Mark Lemke for Roy Halladay straight up

Don't forget to throw in Mark Wohlers....

i was thinking if we had to we would include jeff blauser

Nope,I would want Otis Nixon thrown into the mix
Just read that the Phillies are a prime candidate for the trade. Don't know what they have that they would be willing to give up though.
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by SacRock14:
The ESPN article said they'd likely want either Billingsley or Kershaw from the Dodgers, which I'm guessing might be a problem.

If I'm the Dodgers, I give up Kershaw in a second. That would be a retarded trade on the Jays part.

I could not disagree more. Kershaw is an incredible talent and maybe the top young lefthanded talent in the game. He is pitching lights out right now. There is no chance in hell they will move him. He is their Lincecum. He is also 21 years old and Halliday is 32. Roy also makes big money and has been on the DL a few times over the past years.

If you were the Giants would you trade Lincecum or Cain for Doc? I wouldnt. You have to consider age and the future of the organization when you are trading ELITE young pitching talent. That is why the Dodgers would never include Billingsley , Broxton, or Kershaw for Halliday.

Kershaw is not in Lincecum or Cain's league right now. Could he be a great pitcher? Sure. He's wildly inconsistent though. If I'm the Dodgers and I want to make a World Series run I would trade Kershaw for Halladay straight up in a second. He has a sub 3 ERA and 1.09 whip and he hardly walks anyone in a hitters league. Imagine Halladay not having to pitch to a DH. Kershaw is a great talent, but Halladay would put them over the top this year for sure. There is, however, no way in hell the Jays let him go in a straight trade like that and there is no way the Dodgers would be willing to give up enough to get him.

Halladay's age doesn't bother me at all. s**t, Randy Johnson won four Cy Youngs in a row after finally switching over to the NL. This was between ages 35 and 38.

Well.. I would bet everything I have the Dodgers would never include kershaw for Doc. Wildly inconsistent? LOL. He is 21 fricking years old. Cain is 24. Imagine how great this kid is going to be. Even at his young age he has a 3.27 era and a low whip. Oh.. not to mention over a K per innings. 185 K's in 182 innings. Even more impressive... just 66 hits in 93 innings!

By the way.. Kershaw is MUCH better than Cain was at that age. Look at Cain's progression. Then think about a kid like Kershaw and where he can be. If I was Toronto I would ask for Kershaw and 1 more top prospect and be estatic if the deal happened.

Finally.. Doc would put them over the top for sure??? Umm... no. There are no for sures.
Another little stat on Kershaw that I thought was pretty damned impressive for a 21 year old lefty. Not only more than a K per inning but look at these numbers:

Teams Batting Averages against SP:
Lincecum .218
Greinke .242
Sabatthia .225
Verlander .238
Santana .234
Cain .238

HALLIDAY .250
KERSHAW .204 - yes .204
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by SacRock14:
The ESPN article said they'd likely want either Billingsley or Kershaw from the Dodgers, which I'm guessing might be a problem.

If I'm the Dodgers, I give up Kershaw in a second. That would be a retarded trade on the Jays part.

I could not disagree more. Kershaw is an incredible talent and maybe the top young lefthanded talent in the game. He is pitching lights out right now. There is no chance in hell they will move him. He is their Lincecum. He is also 21 years old and Halliday is 32. Roy also makes big money and has been on the DL a few times over the past years.

If you were the Giants would you trade Lincecum or Cain for Doc? I wouldnt. You have to consider age and the future of the organization when you are trading ELITE young pitching talent. That is why the Dodgers would never include Billingsley , Broxton, or Kershaw for Halliday.

Kershaw is not in Lincecum or Cain's league right now. Could he be a great pitcher? Sure. He's wildly inconsistent though. If I'm the Dodgers and I want to make a World Series run I would trade Kershaw for Halladay straight up in a second. He has a sub 3 ERA and 1.09 whip and he hardly walks anyone in a hitters league. Imagine Halladay not having to pitch to a DH. Kershaw is a great talent, but Halladay would put them over the top this year for sure. There is, however, no way in hell the Jays let him go in a straight trade like that and there is no way the Dodgers would be willing to give up enough to get him.

Halladay's age doesn't bother me at all. s**t, Randy Johnson won four Cy Youngs in a row after finally switching over to the NL. This was between ages 35 and 38.

Well.. I would bet everything I have the Dodgers would never include kershaw for Doc. Wildly inconsistent? LOL. He is 21 fricking years old. Cain is 24. Imagine how great this kid is going to be. Even at his young age he has a 3.27 era and a low whip. Oh.. not to mention over a K per innings. 185 K's in 182 innings. Even more impressive... just 66 hits in 93 innings!

By the way.. Kershaw is MUCH better than Cain was at that age. Look at Cain's progression. Then think about a kid like Kershaw and where he can be. If I was Toronto I would ask for Kershaw and 1 more top prospect and be estatic if the deal happened.

Finally.. Doc would put them over the top for sure??? Umm... no. There are no for sures.

Being in LA as you are, I've seen him pitch about 3 times or so and he is DEFINITELY inconsistent, but that's what comes with youth. With his offense he should have won more than 6 games at this point. I am in no way arguing whether or not he is good, because I absolutely think he is. But, if I'm going to get a Cy Young pitcher who is lights out in the AL in return with a ton of experience, I would pull the trigger in an instant. Of course nothing is guaranteed, but Halladay is pretty much as close to a sure thing you could get in a trade this season. He would absolutely eat up NL hitters.
[ Edited by itlynstalyn on Jul 8, 2009 at 1:01 PM ]
B.J Ryan is now on the market too, Jays just released him finally
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by SacRock14:
The ESPN article said they'd likely want either Billingsley or Kershaw from the Dodgers, which I'm guessing might be a problem.

If I'm the Dodgers, I give up Kershaw in a second. That would be a retarded trade on the Jays part.

I could not disagree more. Kershaw is an incredible talent and maybe the top young lefthanded talent in the game. He is pitching lights out right now. There is no chance in hell they will move him. He is their Lincecum. He is also 21 years old and Halliday is 32. Roy also makes big money and has been on the DL a few times over the past years.

If you were the Giants would you trade Lincecum or Cain for Doc? I wouldnt. You have to consider age and the future of the organization when you are trading ELITE young pitching talent. That is why the Dodgers would never include Billingsley , Broxton, or Kershaw for Halliday.

Kershaw is not in Lincecum or Cain's league right now. Could he be a great pitcher? Sure. He's wildly inconsistent though. If I'm the Dodgers and I want to make a World Series run I would trade Kershaw for Halladay straight up in a second. He has a sub 3 ERA and 1.09 whip and he hardly walks anyone in a hitters league. Imagine Halladay not having to pitch to a DH. Kershaw is a great talent, but Halladay would put them over the top this year for sure. There is, however, no way in hell the Jays let him go in a straight trade like that and there is no way the Dodgers would be willing to give up enough to get him.

Halladay's age doesn't bother me at all. s**t, Randy Johnson won four Cy Youngs in a row after finally switching over to the NL. This was between ages 35 and 38.

Well.. I would bet everything I have the Dodgers would never include kershaw for Doc. Wildly inconsistent? LOL. He is 21 fricking years old. Cain is 24. Imagine how great this kid is going to be. Even at his young age he has a 3.27 era and a low whip. Oh.. not to mention over a K per innings. 185 K's in 182 innings. Even more impressive... just 66 hits in 93 innings!

By the way.. Kershaw is MUCH better than Cain was at that age. Look at Cain's progression. Then think about a kid like Kershaw and where he can be. If I was Toronto I would ask for Kershaw and 1 more top prospect and be estatic if the deal happened.

Finally.. Doc would put them over the top for sure??? Umm... no. There are no for sures.

Being in LA as you are, I've seen him pitch about 6 times or so and he is DEFINITELY inconsistent, but that's what comes with youth. With his offense he should have won more than 6 games at this point. I am in no way arguing whether or not he is good, because I absolutely think he is. But, if I'm going to get a Cy Young pitcher who is lights out in the AL in return with a ton of experience, I would pull the trigger in an instant. Of course nothing is guaranteed, but Halladay is pretty much as close to a sure thing you could get in a trade this season. He would absolutely eat up NL hitters.

Maybe he would. However, his contract is up after 2010 and I am not going to trade a potentially stud LH pitcher that is 21 for a guy who can walk after 1 more year. It just isnt smart. The Dodgers have control over his contract for several years. The Dodgers had a lefty once named Sandy Koufax who was much wilder than Kershaw and didnt realy get it for several years. When he did.. well he was the most dominant pitcher ever for a 6 yr run. I am not saying that Kershaw is Sandy Koufax but when you look at his numbers and watch him throw.. well you cannot help but see greatness.

I guess thats where we differ. I would look at the long term for the organization while you would just look at this year and next. I dont give a s**t about the Dodgers.. I'm just saying it will never happen.

There would be a VERY short list of players that I would deal Kershaw for if I was LA. Pujols, Lincecum, Hanley.. maybe 1 or 2 more. Certainly not Halliday.
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Another little stat on Kershaw that I thought was pretty damned impressive for a 21 year old lefty. Not only more than a K per inning but look at these numbers:

Teams Batting Averages against SP:
Lincecum .218
Greinke .242
Sabatthia .225
Verlander .238
Santana .234
Cain .238

HALLIDAY .250
KERSHAW .204 - yes .204

this stat is flawed... lincecum doesnt get to pitch to the giants bats!
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by PA9erFaithful:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Braves should offer up Mark Lemke for Roy Halladay straight up

Don't forget to throw in Mark Wohlers....

i was thinking if we had to we would include jeff blauser

you would prolly have to add kieth lockheart aswell.
Originally posted by SFgoldrush49:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by PA9erFaithful:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Braves should offer up Mark Lemke for Roy Halladay straight up

Don't forget to throw in Mark Wohlers....

i was thinking if we had to we would include jeff blauser

you would prolly have to add kieth lockheart aswell.

keith lockhart is untouchable, but we can throw in marquis grissom
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by SacRock14:
The ESPN article said they'd likely want either Billingsley or Kershaw from the Dodgers, which I'm guessing might be a problem.

If I'm the Dodgers, I give up Kershaw in a second. That would be a retarded trade on the Jays part.

I could not disagree more. Kershaw is an incredible talent and maybe the top young lefthanded talent in the game. He is pitching lights out right now. There is no chance in hell they will move him. He is their Lincecum. He is also 21 years old and Halliday is 32. Roy also makes big money and has been on the DL a few times over the past years.

If you were the Giants would you trade Lincecum or Cain for Doc? I wouldnt. You have to consider age and the future of the organization when you are trading ELITE young pitching talent. That is why the Dodgers would never include Billingsley , Broxton, or Kershaw for Halliday.

Kershaw is not in Lincecum or Cain's league right now. Could he be a great pitcher? Sure. He's wildly inconsistent though. If I'm the Dodgers and I want to make a World Series run I would trade Kershaw for Halladay straight up in a second. He has a sub 3 ERA and 1.09 whip and he hardly walks anyone in a hitters league. Imagine Halladay not having to pitch to a DH. Kershaw is a great talent, but Halladay would put them over the top this year for sure. There is, however, no way in hell the Jays let him go in a straight trade like that and there is no way the Dodgers would be willing to give up enough to get him.

Halladay's age doesn't bother me at all. s**t, Randy Johnson won four Cy Youngs in a row after finally switching over to the NL. This was between ages 35 and 38.

Well.. I would bet everything I have the Dodgers would never include kershaw for Doc. Wildly inconsistent? LOL. He is 21 fricking years old. Cain is 24. Imagine how great this kid is going to be. Even at his young age he has a 3.27 era and a low whip. Oh.. not to mention over a K per innings. 185 K's in 182 innings. Even more impressive... just 66 hits in 93 innings!

By the way.. Kershaw is MUCH better than Cain was at that age. Look at Cain's progression. Then think about a kid like Kershaw and where he can be. If I was Toronto I would ask for Kershaw and 1 more top prospect and be estatic if the deal happened.

Finally.. Doc would put them over the top for sure??? Umm... no. There are no for sures.

Being in LA as you are, I've seen him pitch about 6 times or so and he is DEFINITELY inconsistent, but that's what comes with youth. With his offense he should have won more than 6 games at this point. I am in no way arguing whether or not he is good, because I absolutely think he is. But, if I'm going to get a Cy Young pitcher who is lights out in the AL in return with a ton of experience, I would pull the trigger in an instant. Of course nothing is guaranteed, but Halladay is pretty much as close to a sure thing you could get in a trade this season. He would absolutely eat up NL hitters.

Maybe he would. However, his contract is up after 2010 and I am not going to trade a potentially stud LH pitcher that is 21 for a guy who can walk after 1 more year. It just isnt smart. The Dodgers have control over his contract for several years. The Dodgers had a lefty once named Sandy Koufax who was much wilder than Kershaw and didnt realy get it for several years. When he did.. well he was the most dominant pitcher ever for a 6 yr run. I am not saying that Kershaw is Sandy Koufax but when you look at his numbers and watch him throw.. well you cannot help but see greatness.

I guess thats where we differ. I would look at the long term for the organization while you would just look at this year and next. I dont give a s**t about the Dodgers.. I'm just saying it will never happen.

There would be a VERY short list of players that I would deal Kershaw for if I was LA. Pujols, Lincecum, Hanley.. maybe 1 or 2 more. Certainly not Halliday.

I would look long term if it were the Giants, but for the Dodgers, who could very well be a World Series team this year (as much as I hate to say it), I would do anything to take that run at this point. Again, I agree with you that Kershaw has the potential to be great, but there are risks I would be willing to take to get a step closer to a World Series win.
OK.. we differ. My guess is that Toronto would take that deal in a heartbeat as they continue to rebuild with young players like Lind, Hill, Rios, etc.. I also think the Dodgers would flat out refuse.
news outlets up here are saying it's either the Dodgers or Philly
A few Phillies fans I know are saying that the Jays want more than the Phils are willing to give.