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2009 MLB All Star Game/Home Run Derby Thread

Originally posted by Conejo:
Originally posted by valrod33:
MOLINA should not be STARTING over McCANN


it's fan vote, what did you expect? a roster that actually made sense?

I know but still
Originally posted by tn_niner:
Originally posted by jrg:
Originally posted by tn_niner:
Originally posted by crzy:
Dustin Pedroia is so overrated

You have to be a Yankees fan.

So overrated that he's the reigning AL MVP!!!

BTW, they don't let fans vote that!!!!

I'm a Cardinals fan and I'll tell you Pedroia is overrated.

He shouldn't have won the AL MVP...he wasn't even the best player on his TEAM last year, so he definitely wasn't the best in the entire AL.

Like I said earlier, either Aaron Hill, Ben Zobrist, or possibly Ian Kinsler should be starting over Pedroia.

None of those 3 players you mentioned are having any better year than Pedroia so why should they get the nod over him when they aren't playing any better?

As far as the best player on his team/in the AL, his stats are right there with Kevin Youkilis. Some stats Youkilis lead the team and some Pedroia lead the team. If you judge a good year on HR's, then yeah Youkilis did have a better season. If you base it on OBP or SLG, Youkilis had a overall higher number but Pedroia was right there with him.

If you think somebody else in the AL had a better year, I'd like to know who?

Kevin Youkilis, Miguel Cabrera, Josh Hamilton to name a few.

Also, lets take a look here at Pedroia compared to other guys

Avg:
Pedroia - .290
Hill - .299
Zobrist - .281

Homeruns:
Pedroia - 3
Hill - 20
Zobrist - 16

RBI:
Pedroia - 36
Hill - 59
Zobrist - 46

SB:
Pedroia - 14
Hill - 3
Zobrist - 8

OBP:
Pedroia - .368
Hill - .339
Zobrist - .400

SLG:
Pedroia - .393
Hill - .503
Zobrist - .598

I mean, you really don't have much of an argument here..the only thing Pedroia is leading in is stolen bases, and hes only up 6 on Zobrist. And hell, if you wanna throw in Ian Kinsler (in the FINAL VOTE competition) then he doesn't even win stolen bases either! (Kinsler has 16) Everything else Zobrist/Hill win the category. Pedroia simply won because he plays on a large market team and won the popularity contest. If Pedroia played on the Blue Jays or the Rays, no way in HELL would he be starting. He's simply overrated.
[ Edited by jrg on Jul 6, 2009 at 8:33 AM ]
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by Conejo:
Originally posted by valrod33:
MOLINA should not be STARTING over McCANN


it's fan vote, what did you expect? a roster that actually made sense?

I know but still

Originally posted by jrg:
Originally posted by tn_niner:
Originally posted by jrg:
Originally posted by tn_niner:
Originally posted by crzy:
Dustin Pedroia is so overrated

You have to be a Yankees fan.

So overrated that he's the reigning AL MVP!!!

BTW, they don't let fans vote that!!!!

I'm a Cardinals fan and I'll tell you Pedroia is overrated.

He shouldn't have won the AL MVP...he wasn't even the best player on his TEAM last year, so he definitely wasn't the best in the entire AL.

Like I said earlier, either Aaron Hill, Ben Zobrist, or possibly Ian Kinsler should be starting over Pedroia.

None of those 3 players you mentioned are having any better year than Pedroia so why should they get the nod over him when they aren't playing any better?

As far as the best player on his team/in the AL, his stats are right there with Kevin Youkilis. Some stats Youkilis lead the team and some Pedroia lead the team. If you judge a good year on HR's, then yeah Youkilis did have a better season. If you base it on OBP or SLG, Youkilis had a overall higher number but Pedroia was right there with him.

If you think somebody else in the AL had a better year, I'd like to know who?

Kevin Youkilis, Miguel Cabrera, Josh Hamilton to name a few.

Also, lets take a look here at Pedroia compared to other guys

Avg:
Pedroia - .290
Hill - .299
Zobrist - .281

Homeruns:
Pedroia - 3
Hill - 20
Zobrist - 16

RBI:
Pedroia - 36
Hill - 59
Zobrist - 46

SB:
Pedroia - 14
Hill - 3
Zobrist - 8

OBP:
Pedroia - .368
Hill - .339
Zobrist - .400

SLG:
Pedroia - .393
Hill - .503
Zobrist - .598

I mean, you really don't have much of an argument here..the only thing Pedroia is leading in is stolen bases, and hes only up 6 on Zobrist. And hell, if you wanna throw in Ian Kinsler (in the FINAL VOTE competition) then he doesn't even win stolen bases either! (Kinsler has 16) Everything else Zobrist/Hill win the category. Pedroia simply won because he plays on a large market team and won the popularity contest. If Pedroia played on the Blue Jays or the Rays, no way in HELL would he be starting. He's simply overrated.

HILL is obviously on steroids or HGH, never hit more than 17 HRs before this year
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by jrg:
Originally posted by tn_niner:
Originally posted by jrg:
Originally posted by tn_niner:
Originally posted by crzy:
Dustin Pedroia is so overrated

You have to be a Yankees fan.

So overrated that he's the reigning AL MVP!!!

BTW, they don't let fans vote that!!!!

I'm a Cardinals fan and I'll tell you Pedroia is overrated.

He shouldn't have won the AL MVP...he wasn't even the best player on his TEAM last year, so he definitely wasn't the best in the entire AL.

Like I said earlier, either Aaron Hill, Ben Zobrist, or possibly Ian Kinsler should be starting over Pedroia.

None of those 3 players you mentioned are having any better year than Pedroia so why should they get the nod over him when they aren't playing any better?

As far as the best player on his team/in the AL, his stats are right there with Kevin Youkilis. Some stats Youkilis lead the team and some Pedroia lead the team. If you judge a good year on HR's, then yeah Youkilis did have a better season. If you base it on OBP or SLG, Youkilis had a overall higher number but Pedroia was right there with him.

If you think somebody else in the AL had a better year, I'd like to know who?

Kevin Youkilis, Miguel Cabrera, Josh Hamilton to name a few.

Also, lets take a look here at Pedroia compared to other guys

Avg:
Pedroia - .290
Hill - .299
Zobrist - .281

Homeruns:
Pedroia - 3
Hill - 20
Zobrist - 16

RBI:
Pedroia - 36
Hill - 59
Zobrist - 46

SB:
Pedroia - 14
Hill - 3
Zobrist - 8

OBP:
Pedroia - .368
Hill - .339
Zobrist - .400

SLG:
Pedroia - .393
Hill - .503
Zobrist - .598

I mean, you really don't have much of an argument here..the only thing Pedroia is leading in is stolen bases, and hes only up 6 on Zobrist. And hell, if you wanna throw in Ian Kinsler (in the FINAL VOTE competition) then he doesn't even win stolen bases either! (Kinsler has 16) Everything else Zobrist/Hill win the category. Pedroia simply won because he plays on a large market team and won the popularity contest. If Pedroia played on the Blue Jays or the Rays, no way in HELL would he be starting. He's simply overrated.

HILL is obviously on steroids or HGH, never hit more than 17 HRs before this year

Originally posted by jrg:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by jrg:
Originally posted by tn_niner:
Originally posted by jrg:
Originally posted by tn_niner:
Originally posted by crzy:
Dustin Pedroia is so overrated

You have to be a Yankees fan.

So overrated that he's the reigning AL MVP!!!

BTW, they don't let fans vote that!!!!

I'm a Cardinals fan and I'll tell you Pedroia is overrated.

He shouldn't have won the AL MVP...he wasn't even the best player on his TEAM last year, so he definitely wasn't the best in the entire AL.

Like I said earlier, either Aaron Hill, Ben Zobrist, or possibly Ian Kinsler should be starting over Pedroia.

None of those 3 players you mentioned are having any better year than Pedroia so why should they get the nod over him when they aren't playing any better?

As far as the best player on his team/in the AL, his stats are right there with Kevin Youkilis. Some stats Youkilis lead the team and some Pedroia lead the team. If you judge a good year on HR's, then yeah Youkilis did have a better season. If you base it on OBP or SLG, Youkilis had a overall higher number but Pedroia was right there with him.

If you think somebody else in the AL had a better year, I'd like to know who?

Kevin Youkilis, Miguel Cabrera, Josh Hamilton to name a few.

Also, lets take a look here at Pedroia compared to other guys

Avg:
Pedroia - .290
Hill - .299
Zobrist - .281

Homeruns:
Pedroia - 3
Hill - 20
Zobrist - 16

RBI:
Pedroia - 36
Hill - 59
Zobrist - 46

SB:
Pedroia - 14
Hill - 3
Zobrist - 8

OBP:
Pedroia - .368
Hill - .339
Zobrist - .400

SLG:
Pedroia - .393
Hill - .503
Zobrist - .598

I mean, you really don't have much of an argument here..the only thing Pedroia is leading in is stolen bases, and hes only up 6 on Zobrist. And hell, if you wanna throw in Ian Kinsler (in the FINAL VOTE competition) then he doesn't even win stolen bases either! (Kinsler has 16) Everything else Zobrist/Hill win the category. Pedroia simply won because he plays on a large market team and won the popularity contest. If Pedroia played on the Blue Jays or the Rays, no way in HELL would he be starting. He's simply overrated.

HILL is obviously on steroids or HGH, never hit more than 17 HRs before this year


im just messing, Hill should have been starting over Pedroia, just like McCann should have been starting over Molina
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by jrg:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by jrg:
Originally posted by tn_niner:
Originally posted by jrg:
Originally posted by tn_niner:
Originally posted by crzy:
Dustin Pedroia is so overrated

You have to be a Yankees fan.

So overrated that he's the reigning AL MVP!!!

BTW, they don't let fans vote that!!!!

I'm a Cardinals fan and I'll tell you Pedroia is overrated.

He shouldn't have won the AL MVP...he wasn't even the best player on his TEAM last year, so he definitely wasn't the best in the entire AL.

Like I said earlier, either Aaron Hill, Ben Zobrist, or possibly Ian Kinsler should be starting over Pedroia.

None of those 3 players you mentioned are having any better year than Pedroia so why should they get the nod over him when they aren't playing any better?

As far as the best player on his team/in the AL, his stats are right there with Kevin Youkilis. Some stats Youkilis lead the team and some Pedroia lead the team. If you judge a good year on HR's, then yeah Youkilis did have a better season. If you base it on OBP or SLG, Youkilis had a overall higher number but Pedroia was right there with him.

If you think somebody else in the AL had a better year, I'd like to know who?

Kevin Youkilis, Miguel Cabrera, Josh Hamilton to name a few.

Also, lets take a look here at Pedroia compared to other guys

Avg:
Pedroia - .290
Hill - .299
Zobrist - .281

Homeruns:
Pedroia - 3
Hill - 20
Zobrist - 16

RBI:
Pedroia - 36
Hill - 59
Zobrist - 46

SB:
Pedroia - 14
Hill - 3
Zobrist - 8

OBP:
Pedroia - .368
Hill - .339
Zobrist - .400

SLG:
Pedroia - .393
Hill - .503
Zobrist - .598

I mean, you really don't have much of an argument here..the only thing Pedroia is leading in is stolen bases, and hes only up 6 on Zobrist. And hell, if you wanna throw in Ian Kinsler (in the FINAL VOTE competition) then he doesn't even win stolen bases either! (Kinsler has 16) Everything else Zobrist/Hill win the category. Pedroia simply won because he plays on a large market team and won the popularity contest. If Pedroia played on the Blue Jays or the Rays, no way in HELL would he be starting. He's simply overrated.

HILL is obviously on steroids or HGH, never hit more than 17 HRs before this year


im just messing, Hill should have been starting over Pedroia, just like McCann should have been starting over Molina

You just made my point for me in another post. You said "its a fan vote, what do you expect." All three guys deserve to make it.

Pedroia had an awesome year last year. Just b/c he didn't have as many HR's as a Cabrera or Hamilton doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to win it. The fact that he played on a big market team should only add to the fact he deserved the MVP. For him to do what he did on a team full of all-star talent says alot about him.

Besides, like I said, the MVP vote isn't a fan vote. It's a vote amongst peers. "It's a popularity contest" doesn't really hold any water here at all.
Vote for Pablo.
Nothing you can do about the fan vote. Obviously there are some picks that are wrong such as Josh Hamilton, Yadier Molina, Dustin Pedroia. Instead, those picks should have been Tori Hunter, Brian McCann, and Aaron Hill. Also.. guys like Ted Lilly and Andrew Bailey had to be picked because the Cubs and A's had really noone else to choose from.

Here are picks by the managers that are whacked and the players that should have been picked:

NL:
Hunter Pence.. better pick: Matt Kemp ( compare the stats)
Ryan Howard : better pick : Pablo Sandoval ( why 4 1b - Pablo could be 3rd C too)
Ryan Franklin : better pick: Chris Carpenter if you want a Card. Plus he is great
Jason Marquis better pick : Yavani Gallardo - just a no brainer

Franklin is having a good year but PLEASE.. the guy is a roid boy who failed as a starter and has been mediocre forever. Trevor Hoffman is a HOF pitcher having a great year and Carpenter is one of top pitchers in baseball

AL:
Tim Wakefield: better pick: Jered Weaver ( better in everything other than wins)
Michael Young: better pick Scott Rolen ( close but Rolen is having better yr)
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Since when is 17 homers, 83 RBI's, .326/.376/.493 worthy of an All-Star selection.

Pedroia: .326/.376/.493, 122 OPS+, 17 HR, 83 RBI, 20 SB
Youkilis: .312/.390/.569, 143 OPS+, 29 HR, 115 RBI, 3 SB

Those have to be the worst numbers for an All-Star ever
Originally posted by crzy:
Since when is 17 homers, 83 RBI's, .326/.376/.493 worthy of an All-Star selection.

Pedroia: .326/.376/.493, 122 OPS+, 17 HR, 83 RBI, 20 SB
Youkilis: .312/.390/.569, 143 OPS+, 29 HR, 115 RBI, 3 SB

Those have to be the worst numbers for an All-Star ever

HUH? This makes no sense at all.
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by crzy:
Since when is 17 homers, 83 RBI's, .326/.376/.493 worthy of an All-Star selection.

Pedroia: .326/.376/.493, 122 OPS+, 17 HR, 83 RBI, 20 SB
Youkilis: .312/.390/.569, 143 OPS+, 29 HR, 115 RBI, 3 SB

Those have to be the worst numbers for an All-Star ever

HUH? This makes no sense at all.

Vote for Pablo!
Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by crzy:
Since when is 17 homers, 83 RBI's, .326/.376/.493 worthy of an All-Star selection.

Pedroia: .326/.376/.493, 122 OPS+, 17 HR, 83 RBI, 20 SB
Youkilis: .312/.390/.569, 143 OPS+, 29 HR, 115 RBI, 3 SB

Those have to be the worst numbers for an All-Star ever

HUH? This makes no sense at all.

Vote for Pablo!

that makes LOTS of sense
When it comes to voting for Pablo what is the vote limit?

James, are you going tho the game or Fanfest or HR Derby?