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Tyson vs. Ali

Tyson vs. Ali

About Tyson being the hardest hitter, from everything I can find Earnie Shavers is considered the greatest and hardest hitter of all time.

Ali defeated him in 1977.
Ali said Shavers was the hardest puncher he ever faced "Earnie hit me so hard, it shook my kinfolk back in Africa",
Tyson's Corner!!!

Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by MaNnY09:
Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:

LMAO

Tyson doesn't miss though.

and you came to that conclusion how? Look at the fight with Buster Douglas. Douglas landed like 60 in the first 2 rounds to Tysons 15 or so

Looking at this little clip, if that were Tyson he would have landed one of those 4 punches.

So what your saying is that Tyson does miss then. He just misses 75% of the time?

That's all it takes, he's a one hitter quitter.

I saw that fight live living in Japan at the time as a military brat.

Remember, Tyson seemed to have won that fight with a huge knockdown of BD but the ref gaving him sooooo much time to get up.

Also, Buster's Mom passed away just days prior to the fight so he was fighting with so much emotion and I guess it was enough to get him over the hump with Iron Mike.
The early 90's were the downfall of Tyson.

Pre 90's Tyson vs. Ali in Ali's prime---flip a coin.

Post 90's Tyson vs. Ali in Ali's prime---Ali would toy with Tyson all day long until Tyson grabs a hold of Ali's ear.
tyson had such a short "prime"

tyson is his prime could beat any fighter from any era.

ali never saw anyone with his raw power and hand speed.

rope a dope would have put ali in the hospital
Originally posted by Dshearn:
tyson had such a short "prime"

tyson is his prime could beat any fighter from any era.

ali never saw anyone with his raw power and hand speed.

rope a dope would have put ali in the hospital

He wouldn't need to rope-a-dope Tyson, he did that to Foreman because Foreman was so much bigger. Ali is bigger than Tyson, Tyson wouldn't even be able to get close to Ali. The love Mike is getting is insane, this must be how Pete feels about Lebron.

Fact is Mike never beat ANYONE in his prime, whereas Ali beat everyone. So to assume Mike would beat anyone from any era is crazy to me. Mike never beat anyone of substance and lost mega fights to Holyfield (twice) and Lennox.
Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:
Originally posted by Dshearn:
tyson had such a short "prime"

tyson is his prime could beat any fighter from any era.

ali never saw anyone with his raw power and hand speed.

rope a dope would have put ali in the hospital

He wouldn't need to rope-a-dope Tyson, he did that to Foreman because Foreman was so much bigger. Ali is bigger than Tyson, Tyson wouldn't even be able to get close to Ali. The love Mike is getting is insane, this must be how Pete feels about Lebron.

Fact is Mike never beat ANYONE in his prime, whereas Ali beat everyone. So to assume Mike would beat anyone from any era is crazy to me. Mike never beat anyone of substance and lost mega fights to Holyfield (twice) and Lennox.


not saying Its a lock...either way , but had tyson been born 10 years earlier...he would have knocked an aged Ali out more then likely.....

But the only way you can look at this , is Prime VS prime...


for ME prime is DAmato ...... PERIOD.....

For me Tyson is two fighters....with Damato and with out.

With D'amato he was VERY defensively sound, was a VERY good technician in space that punished fighters that tried to stay outside of his range , he could run with any heavy weight from any era with the power to beat ANY OF THEM.

With out him...he was a waste of talent.....


Ill throw a screw ball in here though.....

I think larry homes in his prime would be the most likely to beat Either of the other two.

Larry Homes was a beast....
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by MaNnY09:
Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:

LMAO

Tyson doesn't miss though.

and you came to that conclusion how? Look at the fight with Buster Douglas. Douglas landed like 60 in the first 2 rounds to Tysons 15 or so

Looking at this little clip, if that were Tyson he would have landed one of those 4 punches.

So what your saying is that Tyson does miss then. He just misses 75% of the time?

That's all it takes, he's a one hitter quitter.

You act like Ali had a jaw made of glass. Ali took harder hits from better fighters.

Well the thing is....nobody hit harder than Tyson. lol

are you serious????? go watch some old fight clips and you tell me nobody hits harder than tyson

NOBODY hits harder than Tyson. That's what I'm telling you.

Noobs

I think this man would disagree




He's up there, but I think Tyson is a little quicker and packs a meaner punch.

you must not watch a lot of boxing if you think Tyson hit harder than Foreman or Frazier(I think I spelled that right)

You put Tyson in the ring with Foreman in his prime and I'll put my house on Tyson.
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by MaNnY09:
Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:

LMAO

Tyson doesn't miss though.

and you came to that conclusion how? Look at the fight with Buster Douglas. Douglas landed like 60 in the first 2 rounds to Tysons 15 or so

Looking at this little clip, if that were Tyson he would have landed one of those 4 punches.

So what your saying is that Tyson does miss then. He just misses 75% of the time?

That's all it takes, he's a one hitter quitter.

You act like Ali had a jaw made of glass. Ali took harder hits from better fighters.

Well the thing is....nobody hit harder than Tyson. lol

are you serious????? go watch some old fight clips and you tell me nobody hits harder than tyson

NOBODY hits harder than Tyson. That's what I'm telling you.

Noobs

I think this man would disagree




He's up there, but I think Tyson is a little quicker and packs a meaner punch.

you must not watch a lot of boxing if you think Tyson hit harder than Foreman or Frazier(I think I spelled that right)

You put Tyson in the ring with Foreman in his prime and I'll put my house on Tyson.


Yeah a Tyson body shot would floor Ali, and ali didnt destroy foreman, more like out lasted him. But at the same time Ali is too smart for tyson! But didn't tyson wear more padded gloves then old time boxers!? If tyson wore smaller gloves he might of killed a couple people
Originally posted by maximill15:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by MaNnY09:
Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:

LMAO

Tyson doesn't miss though.

and you came to that conclusion how? Look at the fight with Buster Douglas. Douglas landed like 60 in the first 2 rounds to Tysons 15 or so

Looking at this little clip, if that were Tyson he would have landed one of those 4 punches.

So what your saying is that Tyson does miss then. He just misses 75% of the time?

That's all it takes, he's a one hitter quitter.

You act like Ali had a jaw made of glass. Ali took harder hits from better fighters.

Well the thing is....nobody hit harder than Tyson. lol

are you serious????? go watch some old fight clips and you tell me nobody hits harder than tyson

NOBODY hits harder than Tyson. That's what I'm telling you.

Noobs

I think this man would disagree




He's up there, but I think Tyson is a little quicker and packs a meaner punch.

you must not watch a lot of boxing if you think Tyson hit harder than Foreman or Frazier(I think I spelled that right)

You put Tyson in the ring with Foreman in his prime and I'll put my house on Tyson.


Yeah a Tyson body shot would floor Ali, and ali didnt destroy foreman, more like out lasted him. But at the same time Ali is too smart for tyson! But didn't tyson wear more padded gloves then old time boxers!? If tyson wore smaller gloves he might of killed a couple people

It's true man. There's more protection now a days. If Tyson were to fight back then he'd make Rocky Marciano look like a chump.
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by maximill15:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by MaNnY09:
Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:

LMAO

Tyson doesn't miss though.

and you came to that conclusion how? Look at the fight with Buster Douglas. Douglas landed like 60 in the first 2 rounds to Tysons 15 or so

Looking at this little clip, if that were Tyson he would have landed one of those 4 punches.

So what your saying is that Tyson does miss then. He just misses 75% of the time?

That's all it takes, he's a one hitter quitter.

You act like Ali had a jaw made of glass. Ali took harder hits from better fighters.

Well the thing is....nobody hit harder than Tyson. lol

are you serious????? go watch some old fight clips and you tell me nobody hits harder than tyson

NOBODY hits harder than Tyson. That's what I'm telling you.

Noobs

I think this man would disagree




He's up there, but I think Tyson is a little quicker and packs a meaner punch.

you must not watch a lot of boxing if you think Tyson hit harder than Foreman or Frazier(I think I spelled that right)

You put Tyson in the ring with Foreman in his prime and I'll put my house on Tyson.


Yeah a Tyson body shot would floor Ali, and ali didnt destroy foreman, more like out lasted him. But at the same time Ali is too smart for tyson! But didn't tyson wear more padded gloves then old time boxers!? If tyson wore smaller gloves he might of killed a couple people

It's true man. There's more protection now a days. If Tyson were to fight back then he'd make Rocky Marciano look like a chump.

Marciano maybe. Rocky was not a big guy and fought the same style as Tyson. Ali.. no chance Tyson would have beaten him. NONE. Ali was bigger, smarter, faster, and could take a better punch. Tyson would have quit after Ali frustrated him and boxed him silly. Don't think of Ali in his later years. Think of Ali in his prime before his exodus. It would have been totally one sided.
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by maximill15:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by MaNnY09:
Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:

LMAO

Tyson doesn't miss though.

and you came to that conclusion how? Look at the fight with Buster Douglas. Douglas landed like 60 in the first 2 rounds to Tysons 15 or so

Looking at this little clip, if that were Tyson he would have landed one of those 4 punches.

So what your saying is that Tyson does miss then. He just misses 75% of the time?

That's all it takes, he's a one hitter quitter.

You act like Ali had a jaw made of glass. Ali took harder hits from better fighters.

Well the thing is....nobody hit harder than Tyson. lol

are you serious????? go watch some old fight clips and you tell me nobody hits harder than tyson

NOBODY hits harder than Tyson. That's what I'm telling you.

Noobs

I think this man would disagree




He's up there, but I think Tyson is a little quicker and packs a meaner punch.

you must not watch a lot of boxing if you think Tyson hit harder than Foreman or Frazier(I think I spelled that right)

You put Tyson in the ring with Foreman in his prime and I'll put my house on Tyson.


Yeah a Tyson body shot would floor Ali, and ali didnt destroy foreman, more like out lasted him. But at the same time Ali is too smart for tyson! But didn't tyson wear more padded gloves then old time boxers!? If tyson wore smaller gloves he might of killed a couple people

It's true man. There's more protection now a days. If Tyson were to fight back then he'd make Rocky Marciano look like a chump.

Marciano maybe. Rocky was not a big guy and fought the same style as Tyson. Ali.. no chance Tyson would have beaten him. NONE. Ali was bigger, smarter, faster, and could take a better punch. Tyson would have quit after Ali frustrated him and boxed him silly. Don't think of Ali in his later years. Think of Ali in his prime before his exodus. It would have been totally one sided.

but but but tyson only needs one punch I swear some of these cats think that Ali was some chump of the streat and that Tyson was the greatest fighter known to man when he COUDLN'T BEAT HOLYFIELD and had to resort to biting his ear.
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by maximill15:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by MaNnY09:
Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:

LMAO

Tyson doesn't miss though.

and you came to that conclusion how? Look at the fight with Buster Douglas. Douglas landed like 60 in the first 2 rounds to Tysons 15 or so

Looking at this little clip, if that were Tyson he would have landed one of those 4 punches.

So what your saying is that Tyson does miss then. He just misses 75% of the time?

That's all it takes, he's a one hitter quitter.

You act like Ali had a jaw made of glass. Ali took harder hits from better fighters.

Well the thing is....nobody hit harder than Tyson. lol

are you serious????? go watch some old fight clips and you tell me nobody hits harder than tyson

NOBODY hits harder than Tyson. That's what I'm telling you.

Noobs

I think this man would disagree




He's up there, but I think Tyson is a little quicker and packs a meaner punch.

you must not watch a lot of boxing if you think Tyson hit harder than Foreman or Frazier(I think I spelled that right)

You put Tyson in the ring with Foreman in his prime and I'll put my house on Tyson.


Yeah a Tyson body shot would floor Ali, and ali didnt destroy foreman, more like out lasted him. But at the same time Ali is too smart for tyson! But didn't tyson wear more padded gloves then old time boxers!? If tyson wore smaller gloves he might of killed a couple people

It's true man. There's more protection now a days. If Tyson were to fight back then he'd make Rocky Marciano look like a chump.

Marciano maybe. Rocky was not a big guy and fought the same style as Tyson. Ali.. no chance Tyson would have beaten him. NONE. Ali was bigger, smarter, faster, and could take a better punch. Tyson would have quit after Ali frustrated him and boxed him silly. Don't think of Ali in his later years. Think of Ali in his prime before his exodus. It would have been totally one sided.

but but but tyson only needs one punch I swear some of these cats think that Ali was some chump of the streat and that Tyson was the greatest fighter known to man when he COUDLN'T BEAT HOLYFIELD and had to resort to biting his ear.

Dude, everyone who's picking Tyson is the the 80's Tyson when he had D'Amato in his corner. You can't discount 37-0 in like 5 years. Ali went like 29-0 over the course of 9-10 years before his first loss?

We'll never know...might have to get those guys from deadliest battle to run some mock tests. I'm just saying Ali in his prime vs. Tyson in his prime (with D'Amato) each has a 50% chance of winning, flip a coin.
The real question is if Ali could hang with the current HW champion (don't know what belts but he holds all the significant ones), 6'5, 230lb Vladimir Klitschko, who's 53-3, 47 KOs :)

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by maximill15:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by MaNnY09:
Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:

LMAO

Tyson doesn't miss though.

and you came to that conclusion how? Look at the fight with Buster Douglas. Douglas landed like 60 in the first 2 rounds to Tysons 15 or so

Looking at this little clip, if that were Tyson he would have landed one of those 4 punches.

So what your saying is that Tyson does miss then. He just misses 75% of the time?

That's all it takes, he's a one hitter quitter.

You act like Ali had a jaw made of glass. Ali took harder hits from better fighters.

Well the thing is....nobody hit harder than Tyson. lol

are you serious????? go watch some old fight clips and you tell me nobody hits harder than tyson

NOBODY hits harder than Tyson. That's what I'm telling you.

Noobs

I think this man would disagree




He's up there, but I think Tyson is a little quicker and packs a meaner punch.

you must not watch a lot of boxing if you think Tyson hit harder than Foreman or Frazier(I think I spelled that right)

You put Tyson in the ring with Foreman in his prime and I'll put my house on Tyson.


Yeah a Tyson body shot would floor Ali, and ali didnt destroy foreman, more like out lasted him. But at the same time Ali is too smart for tyson! But didn't tyson wear more padded gloves then old time boxers!? If tyson wore smaller gloves he might of killed a couple people

It's true man. There's more protection now a days. If Tyson were to fight back then he'd make Rocky Marciano look like a chump.

Marciano maybe. Rocky was not a big guy and fought the same style as Tyson. Ali.. no chance Tyson would have beaten him. NONE. Ali was bigger, smarter, faster, and could take a better punch. Tyson would have quit after Ali frustrated him and boxed him silly. Don't think of Ali in his later years. Think of Ali in his prime before his exodus. It would have been totally one sided.

but but but tyson only needs one punch I swear some of these cats think that Ali was some chump of the streat and that Tyson was the greatest fighter known to man when he COUDLN'T BEAT HOLYFIELD and had to resort to biting his ear.

Dude, everyone who's picking Tyson is the the 80's Tyson when he had D'Amato in his corner. You can't discount 37-0 in like 5 years. Ali went like 29-0 over the course of 9-10 years before his first loss?

We'll never know...might have to get those guys from deadliest battle to run some mock tests. I'm just saying Ali in his prime vs. Tyson in his prime (with D'Amato) each has a 50% chance of winning, flip a coin.

Tyson would have a 50-50 chance against... Frazier. Same style, similar size. George Foreman would have absolutley destroyed Tyson who couldnt beat guys bigger and stronger than him. Ali?? Just a complete no brainer. Ali would have made Tyson look silly.

I am guessing that anyone who says Tyson must be 40 or younger and did not see Ali fight in his prime.