**Official 2009 NBA Draft Thread** (ON RIGHT NOW)

Originally posted by crzy:

Originally posted by Hopper:

Originally posted by crzy:
Yeah, I'm still stuck on Jennings hype from last year.

Sometimes his Euro stats and the Telfair comparisons scare me away, but then I remember watching him in awe at the McDonalds game last year.

Anyone can look good at the Mcdonald's game. He still screams another Sebastian Telfair with his weak outside shot.

Meh, the outside shot doesn't concern me at all. Monta couldn't score outside of the lane his rookie year. Tony Parker entering the league could barely hit a jumper to save his life.

-Court vision
-Elite ball handling skills with either hand
-Lateral quickness
-Explosive first step
-Ability to finish in the lane
-Defensive intensity

Those are the six main things I'm looking for in my point guard.

Having a good outside jumper is 7th on that list.

CJ Watson has a good outside jumper but fails on five of the six things on my list.

lol Jennings could care less about defense, let alone bring intensity on defense. He's a Sebastian Telfair clone until he works on his jumper.

Originally posted by Hopper:

Originally posted by crzy:

Originally posted by Hopper:

Originally posted by crzy:
Yeah, I'm still stuck on Jennings hype from last year.

Sometimes his Euro stats and the Telfair comparisons scare me away, but then I remember watching him in awe at the McDonalds game last year.

Anyone can look good at the Mcdonald's game. He still screams another Sebastian Telfair with his weak outside shot.

Meh, the outside shot doesn't concern me at all. Monta couldn't score outside of the lane his rookie year. Tony Parker entering the league could barely hit a jumper to save his life.

-Court vision
-Elite ball handling skills with either hand
-Lateral quickness
-Explosive first step
-Ability to finish in the lane
-Defensive intensity

Those are the six main things I'm looking for in my point guard.

Having a good outside jumper is 7th on that list.

CJ Watson has a good outside jumper but fails on five of the six things on my list.

lol Jennings could care less about defense, let alone bring intensity on defense. He's a Sebastian Telfair clone until he works on his jumper.

and your a broken record until you come up with something new to say or some sort of real analysis.

Let's hear you're real analysis expert.

Jennings and Telfair are similar in three respects.

1) They both are/were ridiculously hyped. Telfair had even way more hype than Jennings.

Telfair was hyped up since he was in 8th grade to be the next great Coney Island projects basketball star. He was Starbury's cousin, etc.

2) They both are incredibly fast and quick, although I think Jennings is faster.

3) They're both flashy ball-handlers.


But they're not the same player.


1) Jennings is taller and has a larger frame than Telfair. I think he has the frame to carry more weight and get stronger.

Quote:

Tyson Chandler on Brandon Jennings:

"He needs to get bigger and stronger, but in terms of his skill set, he'd be a Top 10 point guard in the league right now,'' Chandler said of Jennings last summer.

-ESPN article

2) While both are quick, Jennings is a much better athlete. Telfair doesn't have great elevation. He cannot get up. Jennings can get UP (rumored 40" Vertical). And Jennings is a much better finisher at the rim.

Telfair isn't athletic enough to compensate for his lack of size, but I think Brandon Jennings is.

3) Jennings is a much more creative playmaker than Telfair.

Telfair is a mediocre decision maker. He'll make the simple pass when it's there but his court vision is lacking.



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All in all, Sebstian Telfair is the absolute worst-case scenario for Brandon Jennings.

Has anybody watched his "Through the Fire" documentary? Bassy was a cocky, flashy kid who entered the NBA thinking he was the s**t. Very inconsistent player. He'll make a great crossover and flashy pass and then throw the ball into the stands the next trip down.

Not only do I think that Jennings is a much better prospect than Bassy, but I think Jennings with his time overseas playing for a professional team is much more mature.

Man...I wish Telfair had played for Pitino in Louisville. He'd have grown to be a much different player, I think.

Originally posted by Hopper:
Let's hear you're real analysis expert.

never said i was an expert, just think that saying hes sebastian telfair over and over again is worthless.

I think he is extremely explosive and has great lateral quickness. His handles are ridiculous. He has pretty good vision and is a good passer, although sometimes he can get a little showy and make overly difficult passes.

I think his explosiveness and ball skills allow him to penetrate well and from what I can tell he finishes well in the lane. Overall, all very good things to have from your PG.

His shooting is pretty solid within 14-15 feet I think but becomes a little more suspect after that, although, Id say we have quite enough shooters on the warriors that that should not be an issue with drafting him.

His defense, well I wont pretend I know much about his defense as I have only seen him a couple times thoroughly, but he has good quickness so I would hope he can at least keep players in front of him. Obviously he'll be an easy mismatch because of height, but I think the positives outweight the negatives.

Alright, thats my analysis of him. Even if you disagree, I'd say its a little more insightful as to what I think of him than just repeatedly comparing him to Sebastian Telfair

Speaking of the next Coney Island legend......Sir Lance-a-lot, a.k.a. Born Ready.

Lance Stephenson, 6-6 SG

http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?sport=2&pr_key=41972

Oh and seeing how its offseason time i think its about time for this to come back:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/lottery2009/mockdraft

see how many tries it takes for you to get the warriors to win, it only took me 4 tries.

Originally posted by IdentityCrisis:
Oh and seeing how its offseason time i think its about time for this to come back:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/lottery2009/mockdraft

see how many tries it takes for you to get the warriors to win, it only took me 4 tries.

I give up. I tried 6 times and the closest I got was the 2nd pick with Rubio. Other than that, it was Brandon Jennings at #7 the rest of the tries.

"Bassy was a cocky, flashy kid who entered the NBA thinking he was the s**t. Very inconsistent player. He'll make a great crossover and flashy pass and then throw the ball into the stands the next trip down."

Crzy you just described Jennings at Oak Hill because he was the same exact way. Jennings cared more about scoring and making flashy passes and crossovers than he did about learning the real fundamentals of playing point guard.

Also don't let the flashy Jennings dunks on the youtube fool you. He hasn't done half those things since then because the Euroball competition is much tougher than high school.

That might have been Jennings at Oak Hill, but I think after playing a year of professional basketball that he's matured, become more fundamentally sound, and a smarter player.

Particularly playing for a coach that discourages flashy play, loves to go 10 deep every game (playing nobody more than 20 minutes), and likes to have rotating starting lineups

Quote:
Holding to a philosophy that's unheard of in America but not uncommon in Europe, Repesa doesn't believe in a set starting five. He'll switch starters by the game; he'll go 10 deep, playing almost everyone at least 15 minutes and hardly anyone over 25. Admittedly fond of Jennings, Repesa wants to bring No.11 along slowly to manage expectations and keep him from burning out over a season that's more grueling than anything he's ever faced. Jennings, who started every exhibition contest, finds out about Repesa's philosophy when he's told he'll be coming off the bench just moments before the season opener. Shocked and deflated, he sleepwalks through an up-and-down seven-point outing in 21 minutes of an overtime victory. "That was the first time in my life I didn't start," Jennings says. "I let it affect my play." He starts two of the next four games, and while he often shines, he does it in his allotted 20 minutes. Jennings might have come to Europe to prove he's the best point guard outside of the NBA, but he now realizes that he won't do so through his numbers. "Once I saw how Coach did things, I decided to concentrate on running the team," he says after an impressive 11-point, three-assist, 19-minute game that had an NBA scout in the building claiming Jennings could average 20 if he played more. "I'm playing defense, learning as much as I can and just trying to win," Jennings says. "In the end, this is going to make me better." Hearing that might mean more to NBA execs than unbelievable stats.

Originally posted by Hopper:
Also don't let the flashy Jennings dunks on the youtube fool you. He hasn't done half those things since then because the Euroball competition is much tougher than high school.

No. He hasn't done that because his coach doesn't let him do any of that.

His coach yells at him for doing anything flashy.

Originally posted by IdentityCrisis:

Originally posted by Hopper:
Let's hear you're real analysis expert.

never said i was an expert, just think that saying hes sebastian telfair over and over again is worthless.

I think he is extremely explosive and has great lateral quickness. His handles are ridiculous. He has pretty good vision and is a good passer, although sometimes he can get a little showy and make overly difficult passes.

I think his explosiveness and ball skills allow him to penetrate well and from what I can tell he finishes well in the lane. Overall, all very good things to have from your PG.

His shooting is pretty solid within 14-15 feet I think but becomes a little more suspect after that, although, Id say we have quite enough shooters on the warriors that that should not be an issue with drafting him.

His defense, well I wont pretend I know much about his defense as I have only seen him a couple times thoroughly, but he has good quickness so I would hope he can at least keep players in front of him. Obviously he'll be an easy mismatch because of height, but I think the positives outweight the negatives.

Alright, thats my analysis of him. Even if you disagree, I'd say its a little more insightful as to what I think of him than just repeatedly comparing him to Sebastian Telfair

Are you basing most of this Info off high school or what he did in euroball recently? Because Jennings was terrible in Italy.

In Italy Jennings was turnover prone, his pick and roll and man defense was bad. He couldn't finish well in the lane against bigger players and of course already stated his jumper was terrible. Ricky Rubio with one hand was still penetrating by Brandon Jennings this year, that's how bad Jennings truly is defensively.

Jennings size also kills his chances to fit in the backcourt with Monta. He's way too small to complement Monta.

Had to do that lottery machine three times for the W's to get the #1 pick.

Although the mock computer had the W's taking Griffen, if the W's somehow by miracle do land the #1 pick, at this time I think most W fans would want them to draft Rubio over Griffen.

Also every time the W's didn't make it in the top 3, almost every mock following had them taking Jennings.

Yo crzy...any chance you could update your personal Top 20 on the first page to reflect who's in/out of this draft? I'll post mine soon as well.

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Yo crzy...any chance you could update your personal Top 20 on the first page to reflect who's in/out of this draft? I'll post mine soon as well.

Yup. I'm working on a new mock too.


Donatas Motiejunas is waiting for 2010 and Craig Brackins is also waiting for 2010.

This draft is looking weaker and weaker every day.

So MANY lottery picks are not coming out.