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Week 5 @ Colts coaches film analysis thread

Hello my friend we meet again, it's been a while where should we begin?

I trust the week has been well to most of you and has allowed a little time for any wounds from Sunday to heal. So, if they have it's time to rip them back open. This was probably the most frustrating game of the year to watch. We had a number of missed opportunities and the blame could be spread around.

I'm still hoping Marquise Goodwin has a monster game one of these days because we missed him on 2 BIG opportunities in the game. One was on T. Brown, the other on Hoyer.

The defense was a mish mash of blame. Critical plays go against Armstead, Saleh, Ward and Tartt. If I were to whittle the blame down to most egregious and responsible for the loss I'd put it on those 4. What's most troubling is that the list includes two 1st round and a 2nd round pick.... That's a lot of draft capital invested in guys getting you beat. Just my opinion though.

Overall - It's hard to say the team isn't competing and hasn't had games for the winning this year when we've had one game come down to a last second TD drive, 2 overtime losses and a 3rd game that should've been overtime had our kicker who has the longest active FG streak hadn't missed an extra point....

I still really enjoy the Shanny hire as his offense continues to show up on film. His play calling and timing have been the best I've seen since I've been watching film here. We just got to put together some more parts and get this thing humming.

I'm not going to do quite as much writing and try and get more cut-ups going. Stay tuned!
So far, after 5 games, who are the top 3 players routinely s**tting the bed?
LOGIC AND ANALYSIS THANK GOD
Here's the first big play opportunity we missed in the game. It was 12:23 in the 2nd QTR.



We split Juice out wide and we'll motion him back inside - this reveals zone coverage. So, Hoyer knows on this play he'll have a hi/lo read down the middle as we'll isolate 3 routes on 2 zone defenders. He has the deep post with Goodwin, the Deep in or "DIG" with Garcon and up and out route with Juice.



We first run PA to suck up the underneath coverage to put further stress on the zone defenders. As Bill Walsh said, "we look always for the deep play first but have it built in to the offense that if the deep play isn't there we can then move to the short play and continue to move the ball". He was talking about these vertical stretching plays. When you suck up your underneath defenders it then makes the opposing teams defensive players drive on open route they see in front of them.



here I've highlighted the area of vertical stretch as you'll see all the routes will cross this line at different depths. 3 on 2 stretch.



Here's the key frame. The FS, seeing the LB's drive on the PA and underneath route from Juice drives on Garcon's route. This vacates his deep middle zone.



Here's just a second further. The FS is dead to rights against Goodwin and is totally locked in to Garcon's route



Oh hey.... there goes Goodwin....



Why did this play fail? Well, when we ran PA Brown took a really poor angle on the DE and allowed him to cross his(Brown's) face.



Because the DE crossed Brown's face, he's now come free to the QB.



This was just about the time that the safety planted his foot to drive on Garcon's route. Hoyer is already looking to get rid of the ball because he's got a defender bearing down on him and he's got to get rid of the ball.



Could have had a huge play to get us a lead in the game. But, alas, it wasn't to be. Brown is usually good in pass pro but he's got to do better than that and it was a crucial fail in the game.
Originally posted by jreff22:
So far, after 5 games, who are the top 3 players routinely s**tting the bed?

That's what is frustrating. I don't think there's a 'top 3'. It's more like "top 10" haha.

If I had a gun to my head and had to call out 3 I'd say it's: Hoyer, Ward, Robinson. But it's almost like a 9 way tie for 2nd....
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Originally posted by jonnydel:
Hello my friend we meet again, it's been a while where should we begin?

I trust the week has been well to most of you and has allowed a little time for any wounds from Sunday to heal. So, if they have it's time to rip them back open. This was probably the most frustrating game of the year to watch. We had a number of missed opportunities and the blame could be spread around.

I'm still hoping Marquise Goodwin has a monster game one of these days because we missed him on 2 BIG opportunities in the game. One was on T. Brown, the other on Hoyer.

The defense was a mish mash of blame. Critical plays go against Armstead, Saleh, Ward and Tartt. If I were to whittle the blame down to most egregious and responsible for the loss I'd put it on those 4. What's most troubling is that the list includes two 1st round and a 2nd round pick.... That's a lot of draft capital invested in guys getting you beat. Just my opinion though.

Overall - It's hard to say the team isn't competing and hasn't had games for the winning this year when we've had one game come down to a last second TD drive, 2 overtime losses and a 3rd game that should've been overtime had our kicker who has the longest active FG streak hadn't missed an extra point....

I still really enjoy the Shanny hire as his offense continues to show up on film. His play calling and timing have been the best I've seen since I've been watching film here. We just got to put together some more parts and get this thing humming.

I'm not going to do quite as much writing and try and get more cut-ups going. Stay tuned!

I saw each of the starting secondary have a mistake in run support, Ward, Tartt, RR, DJ, and KWilliams. They all underestimated Marlon Mack's ability to bounce a run outside. You would think that after the first 2 guys got beat outside, that the others would take notice of how quick Mack is. The Tartt one was funny, he straight took out DeFo.
I posted this over in the Kyle thread, but that thread is just about b***hing about a guy 5 games into his career.....this post belongs here

I love the little wrinkle of having the second TE drag against the flow and create a mesh situation.

I apologize if this is way out of sequence.


Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by Niners816:
4th and 1, 4th quarter down by 7....the call Spider Y Banana.



Luck was in the building


He threw the Venus in college and Gruden flipped out.....Hoyer threw the banana to Kittle.

Ok some nerdy X's and O's notes....the play luck drew is 21 personnel so by definition there's 2 WR so it actually has a vertical or as Gruden calls it a Venus. The X WR ran it. We ran it from 22 personnel so there's only one WR and there's no vertical.

Gruden is right that the FB is open 90% of the time. Juice got bumped off of his route a bit on the 4th down play. However I think this will be a big play for us as the install continues because it's a way to get both Juice and Kittle touches.

I watched the play again and it had a wrinkle to it. Celek chipped and then ran a drag. This added a little mesh action to this play.
[ Edited by Niners816 on Oct 11, 2017 at 11:03 AM ]
Here's the 2nd big opportunity to hit Goodwin that was missed.



This one was in the 3rd QTR and we're going to run a "mills" concept. We first line Juice out wide, revealing the zone coverage and then motion him back inside.



We run PA to suck up the underneath coverage like before. The key reads on this play are the safeties. The "mills" is a combo of a post on the outside with a "DIG" on the inside. We ran the "Mills" a lot with Chip last year. It's really good against cover 4 but also works against a cover 2. In cover 2 you're going to read your backside safety where if you have a safety drive on "DIG" you throw the post and vice versa.



The backside safety is watching Hoyer and he's playing the DIG. This means the throw should go to Goodwin.



Here's the key read. The safety is flat footed on the DIG and Goodwin is breaking on a post route. Hoyer is in mid windup here; he should throw this over the backside safety and lead Goodwin down the field.



This is the area that Hoyer should be throwing to. It actually should be about 20 yards farther down field but it's not available to show because Goodwin can cover some serious ground.



Instead, for some reason Hoyer throws it down the near hash. Not sure if he was thinking Goodwin was gonna stay straight ahead or if he just really misthrew the ball that badly. But he's wayyyyy off target from where the ball should be. He puts this out there and Goodwin might have a TD.



That's 2, count em, 2 big opportunities to Goodwin missed in the game. However, we hit one later that looked like it was a terrible decision when he let it go but Goodwin just straight out ran his guy to a perfectly placed ball.
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Here's the 2nd big opportunity to hit Goodwin that was missed.



This one was in the 3rd QTR and we're going to run a "mills" concept. We first line Juice out wide, revealing the zone coverage and then motion him back inside.
Maybe goodwins route should have been a straight up Vert on that play ?
[ Edited by 49AllTheTime on Oct 11, 2017 at 11:42 AM ]
At least we are competitive this year.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Hello my friend we meet again, it's been a while where should we begin?

I trust the week has been well to most of you and has allowed a little time for any wounds from Sunday to heal. So, if they have it's time to rip them back open. This was probably the most frustrating game of the year to watch. We had a number of missed opportunities and the blame could be spread around.

I'm still hoping Marquise Goodwin has a monster game one of these days because we missed him on 2 BIG opportunities in the game. One was on T. Brown, the other on Hoyer.

The defense was a mish mash of blame. Critical plays go against Armstead, Saleh, Ward and Tartt. If I were to whittle the blame down to most egregious and responsible for the loss I'd put it on those 4. What's most troubling is that the list includes two 1st round and a 2nd round pick.... That's a lot of draft capital invested in guys getting you beat. Just my opinion though.

Overall - It's hard to say the team isn't competing and hasn't had games for the winning this year when we've had one game come down to a last second TD drive, 2 overtime losses and a 3rd game that should've been overtime had our kicker who has the longest active FG streak hadn't missed an extra point....

I still really enjoy the Shanny hire as his offense continues to show up on film. His play calling and timing have been the best I've seen since I've been watching film here. We just got to put together some more parts and get this thing humming.

I'm not going to do quite as much writing and try and get more cut-ups going. Stay tuned!

Do you think Ward and Tartt shouldn't figure into future plans?
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Maybe goodwins route should have been a straight up Vert on that play ?

no, Gacron's route indicates what Goodwin's route should be based off it. The concept beat 2 deep safety's and im not sure what the point for Garcon's route would be if Goodwin's was designed to be just a straight up GO route.
Originally posted by Stevec9932:
At least we are competitive this year.
That's why this is the perfect season so far. We're literally a few ball bounces away from a 4-1 record which would have been disastrous since we still need multiple pieces in the draft to be a complete team.

If we were getting blown out, that would be an issue. But this offense with a blue chip WR and a QB could be tearing the league up in a couple of years.
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Overall - It's hard to say the team isn't competing and hasn't had games for the winning this year when we've had one game come down to a last second TD drive, 2 overtime losses and a 3rd game that should've been overtime had our kicker who has the longest active FG streak hadn't missed an extra point...

The propensity we have to shoot ourselves in the foot at the most inopportune time with varying personnel is a special special skill thus far.

In fact, it's so automatic, the instant we have a positive play, I don't even get that excited anymore and immediately start looking for a flag.

Predicting the next eff up is one hell of a drinking game too!

...the joys of a young team learning new systems trying to break through a losing culture.
Originally posted by defenderDX:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Maybe goodwins route should have been a straight up Vert on that play ?

no, Gacron's route indicates what Goodwin's route should be based off it. The concept beat 2 deep safety's and im not sure what the point for Garcon's route would be if Goodwin's was designed to be just a straight up GO route.
That post route leaves the safeties over the top and underneath leaving no room for error on that throw. thats why i think Hoyer through it where a vertical route would have took goodwin leaving him with only one safety covering



this route play covered earlier is perfect for a that post play as Garcon make the SS bite low

[ Edited by 49AllTheTime on Oct 11, 2017 at 12:24 PM ]
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