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Coaching Staff Changes Watch

Originally posted by SaksV:
I understand that Megatron is getting a ridiculous amount of targets, but that doesn't erase what he was able to do as OC/HC for the Vikings, Dolphins and Rams.
He's a coach who understands that if you have playmakers, you make plays for them. He did it for Randy Moss, Chris Chambers, Marty Booker, Torry Holt, and Calvin Johnson. He can do the same with our guys.

Who are the "tons" of other Lions playmakers? lol Reggie Bush just got there. Linehan's been there since '09.


Well, that sounds like a targeted, superstar offense? That is the mentality that we have, without the superstars. I prefer what McDaniels does, what Norv does, and get production out of everyone, including no names. The Robin Hood offense because it distributes to everybody.
Well, that sounds like a targeted, superstar offense? That is the mentality that we have, without the superstars. I prefer what McDaniels does, what Norv does, and get production out of everyone, including no names. The Robin Hood offense because it distributes to everybody.
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Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Well, that sounds like a targeted, superstar offense? That is the mentality that we have, without the superstars. I prefer what McDaniels does, what Norv does, and get production out of everyone, including no names. The Robin Hood offense because it distributes to everybody.

A Targeted Superstar Offense? Is that an actual system or did you just make that up? Doesn't that contradict the above claim that the Lions have tons of weapons?

What I meant was that Linehan does a great job of recognizing the talent he has to work with, and designs multiple ways to suit their strengths. His Situational prowess is top-notch (Red Zone%, 3rd Down%, Yards Per Play, Time Of Possession....areas we have lacked)

Norv does a good job and so does McDaniels, but I would prefer Linehan because:
A) His system isn't digit-based (ours isn't either..not trying to stunt Kap's growth like Alex), Norv's is.
B) McDaniels has personality issues that I don't think will work well here.
C) Linehan has been the most consistent of the above mentioned coaches
[ Edited by SaksV on Jan 25, 2014 at 5:34 AM ]
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by swayze:
second-place schedule should be easier, not harder...


We lucked out getting scheduled against the afc south. Why do you say it should be easier? We went to the super bowl last year. How does that affect scheduling?

doesn't. division placement does. 1st in division=play all NFC division champs. 2nd in division=play all NFC division 2nd place.
Originally posted by SaksV:
A Targeted Superstar Offense? Is that an actual system or did you just make that up? Doesn't that contradict the above claim that the Lions have tons of weapons?

What I meant was that Linehan does a great job of recognizing the talent he has to work with, and designs multiple ways to suit their strengths. His Situational prowess is top-notch (Red Zone%, 3rd Down%, Yards Per Play, Time Of Possession....areas we have lacked)

Norv does a good job and so does McDaniels, but I would prefer Linehan because:
A) His system isn't digit-based (ours isn't either..not trying to stunt Kap's growth like Alex), Norv's is.
B) McDaniels has personality issues that I don't think will work well here.
C) Linehan has been the most consistent of the above mentioned coaches


I just made it up. I mean that staff only calls plays for very few skill players and doesn't really work the depth chart. That kind of predictablility hurt us and hurt the development of many players, not just rookies. So, an OC that will do the same thing is not really going to change the fundamentals IMO.

What is a digit offense?
Originally posted by theduke85:
Originally posted by dj43:
Yes, coaching had a great deal to do with the success. By just not screwing anything up like Singletary did, the talent on the team was able to play. Harbaugh did bring some tricks that helped them win that first year but by year two those no longer worked. The offense became mired in the same old stew and remains there now. Harbaugh was great compared to Singletary but still has the same game and time management issues, still ultra conservative offense, etc.

Second, Harbaugh benefitted by the timing of his arrival. Vernon Davis had matured due to Singletary's handling and was ready to break out. Patrick Willis had become a star. Other key players had a reached a maturity level as well. He did little to develop much of the core of the team.

In short, all he had to do was not screw up the talent that was already here. He has done that, but the team continues to struggle on the same hurdle it did the first year he was here. It is hard to say this team has gotten better since that first year, particularly on offense. Holding serve is not a great achievement.
This is extremely cynical and completely unfair.

The 49ers came within one play of winning the Superbowl last year, and came within one play in two other years from reaching the Super Bowl. I don't care how talented a team is, there's no way you maintain that level of success without having great coaching at the top. There is an immense amount of gameplanning and preparation that takes place. It's more than just the players. To try to assert that Harbaugh as a coach is the equivalent of the cliche "game manager" quarterback is just ridiculous!

There is a reason that the success of this team skyrocketed once Harbaugh got here. We went from a losing, mediocre team to an absolute juggernaut. To try to discredit Harbaugh for that is completely unreasonable.

If the coaching was so inept, we wouldn't be fretting over bad calls at the end of the game. We'd be upset that our team was absolutely decimated and didn't stand a chance from the second the game started. Even in these title games we've lost, we've been highly competitive. That is indicative of good coaching, because deep into the playoffs you should be completely out-classed by the coaches you're facing if you don't know what you're doing.

It is critical but it is not unfair.

As has been said in various places here, Harbaugh inherited a loaded roster that many picked to win 10-11 games and win the NFC West under Singletary. Harbaugh eliminated the ineptness of Singletary and in so doing reached a bit above the level experts predicted. However, since that time, the offense stays the same and the team struggles for the same reasons it has since he arrived.

As I said above, Harbaugh is a GOOD coach but he is not a great coach. There are 8-10 other coaches in the league that could have done with this roster what Harbaugh has done.

With that I am going to bow out for a while. Been a long and frustrating season.
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Originally posted by dj43:
It is critical but it is not unfair.

As has been said in various places here, Harbaugh inherited a loaded roster that many picked to win 10-11 games and win the NFC West under Singletary. Harbaugh eliminated the ineptness of Singletary and in so doing reached a bit above the level experts predicted. However, since that time, the offense stays the same and the team struggles for the same reasons it has since he arrived.

As I said above, Harbaugh is a GOOD coach but he is not a great coach. There are 8-10 other coaches in the league that could have done with this roster what Harbaugh has done.

With that I am going to bow out for a while. Been a long and frustrating season.

With what you just said that is probably a smart idea.
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by theduke85:
Originally posted by dj43:
Yes, coaching had a great deal to do with the success. By just not screwing anything up like Singletary did, the talent on the team was able to play. Harbaugh did bring some tricks that helped them win that first year but by year two those no longer worked. The offense became mired in the same old stew and remains there now. Harbaugh was great compared to Singletary but still has the same game and time management issues, still ultra conservative offense, etc.

Second, Harbaugh benefitted by the timing of his arrival. Vernon Davis had matured due to Singletary's handling and was ready to break out. Patrick Willis had become a star. Other key players had a reached a maturity level as well. He did little to develop much of the core of the team.

In short, all he had to do was not screw up the talent that was already here. He has done that, but the team continues to struggle on the same hurdle it did the first year he was here. It is hard to say this team has gotten better since that first year, particularly on offense. Holding serve is not a great achievement.
This is extremely cynical and completely unfair.

The 49ers came within one play of winning the Superbowl last year, and came within one play in two other years from reaching the Super Bowl. I don't care how talented a team is, there's no way you maintain that level of success without having great coaching at the top. There is an immense amount of gameplanning and preparation that takes place. It's more than just the players. To try to assert that Harbaugh as a coach is the equivalent of the cliche "game manager" quarterback is just ridiculous!

There is a reason that the success of this team skyrocketed once Harbaugh got here. We went from a losing, mediocre team to an absolute juggernaut. To try to discredit Harbaugh for that is completely unreasonable.

If the coaching was so inept, we wouldn't be fretting over bad calls at the end of the game. We'd be upset that our team was absolutely decimated and didn't stand a chance from the second the game started. Even in these title games we've lost, we've been highly competitive. That is indicative of good coaching, because deep into the playoffs you should be completely out-classed by the coaches you're facing if you don't know what you're doing.

It is critical but it is not unfair.

As has been said in various places here, Harbaugh inherited a loaded roster that many picked to win 10-11 games and win the NFC West under Singletary. Harbaugh eliminated the ineptness of Singletary and in so doing reached a bit above the level experts predicted. However, since that time, the offense stays the same and the team struggles for the same reasons it has since he arrived.

As I said above, Harbaugh is a GOOD coach but he is not a great coach. There are 8-10 other coaches in the league that could have done with this roster what Harbaugh has done.

With that I am going to bow out for a while. Been a long and frustrating season.

Don't bow out. Criticism with play of a loaded roster IS valid during critical times. If the goal here is to better than we were, great - for you you've reached the point where you are completely content with your team. All else is gravy. You okay with almost.

However some of us want a championship. We know what that looks like. We know and have seen coaches and teams do it before and when we don't see that with our own, we ask questions. Don't stop asking questions. Never settle until you reach your goals.
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Matt Barrows ‏@mattbarrows

Hearing #49ers ass't OLB coach Peter Hansen, seen here winging passes, is heading back to #Stanford. http://youtu.be/spCgp-8_TLc via @youtube
Originally posted by Jcool:
Matt Barrows ‏@mattbarrows

Hearing #49ers ass't OLB coach Peter Hansen, seen here winging passes, is heading back to #Stanford. http://youtu.be/spCgp-8_TLc via @youtube

Take Roman with you!
Originally posted by TheRatMan13:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Matt Barrows ‏@mattbarrows

Hearing #49ers ass't OLB coach Peter Hansen, seen here winging passes, is heading back to #Stanford. http://youtu.be/spCgp-8_TLc via @youtube

Take Roman with you!

i wonder what harbaughs networking skills are like if all these stanford dudes start disappearing? u guys think he goes outside and tries new people or he will just keep digging up people hes worked with in the past? harbaugh is a smart dude and a football man but so far we havent seen him have to deal with this situation much
Kubiak looking like Harbaugh's next OC, John Harbaugh that is.
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Originally posted by NinerGM:


However some of us want a championship. We know what that looks like. We know and have seen coaches and teams do it before and when we don't see that with our own, we ask questions. Don't stop asking questions. Never settle until you reach your goals.

I hope that you are not saying that people who disagree with your point of view do not want a championship.
Originally posted by buck:
Originally posted by NinerGM:


However some of us want a championship. We know what that looks like. We know and have seen coaches and teams do it before and when we don't see that with our own, we ask questions. Don't stop asking questions. Never settle until you reach your goals.

I hope that you are not saying that people who disagree with your point of view do not want a championship.

Not at all ... I don't want him to stop simply because other disagree. His analysis and reasoning as to how the team can overcome current obstacles are just as valid and not "crazy" which the previous poster inferred.
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There were some thoughts in NFL circles that the San Francisco 49ers could have lost secondary coach Ed Donatell this offseason for a defensive coordinator job.

His contract is expiring and he was expected to get interest for a promotion. However, because of the 49ers' long playoff ride and a lack of defensive coordinator jobs, it appears Donatell is staying with the 49ers. A source familiar with the situation said Donatell is expected to sign a new deal this offseason.

If Donatell signs just a one-year extension, he could be a candidate for defensive coordinator jobs next year. He was a defensive coordinator from 2000-06 with Green Bay and Atlanta.

Meanwhile, Stanford announced 49ers defensive assistant Peter Hansen will coach its inside linebackers. He is the third young assistant to leave the 49ers to go to the college ranks this month, joining Tim Drevno (USC) and Paul Wulff (South Florida).

http://espn.go.com/blog/san-francisco-49ers/post/_/id/4808/key-assistant-coach-expected-back

I do not know too much, anything really, about the other three, but I want Ed Donatell to stay.