SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS VS SEATTLE SEAHAWKS GAMEDAY THREAD (WEEK 14)

Speaking of tight ends - does anyone know Celek's status? He's better than Vance at blocking and that may be important in helping the run get going this game.

Originally posted by mayo49:
More slants and screens.

Our linemen suck at screens man, that is why we do not run them very often.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by mayo49:

More slants and screens.

Our linemen suck at screens man, that is why we do not run them very often.

Yeah, they do suck at it. Need to add that to the arsenal. Hopefully, that work on it more in the off season.

Originally posted by ECLaloosh:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by ECLaloosh:

Originally posted by Joecool:
SEA has a lot of holes in its defense in terms of matchups. The main reason why they and us match up well vs pass-heavy teams is...well...those teams are one-dimensional. They already taken themselves out of half of the threat of their offense.

I just hope the refs watch all the holding and the PI's SEA gets away with.

Considering Sherman will most likely be staying on his own side, this game is on Greg Roman. Will he put his head in his butt and not take advantage of any obvious mismatches (Boldin or Crabs vs DB #2, Vernon vs LB, or Gore running to the side where Vernon will be blocking a Safety). G-Ro better not f**k this one up.

Please, elaborate! I've felt really good about every team that they've played as far as matchups go (minus our o-line injuries of course but those are no longer an issue). Would be interesting to hear details about this.

If we have a weakness, in my mind it's been consistency in run defense but in the 2-3 games in which they gave up BIG yardage it seemed to boil down to mental mistakes rather than matchups. Same in the secondary.

Your team is ranked 14th in average yards allowed per run at 4.1 yards per carry. SF only ran Gore 9 times in SEA. Let's see, we go into the loudest stadium in the league and tried to get cute with our QB passing 28 time while allowing the strength of this team, OL, to create a path for Gore only 9 times.

I understand Gore only gained 16 yards but our first drive in the second half was when Gore went for 5, 3, and 4 yards. We were moving the ball but then ended up getting down 16 points and never established a run-game.

It was THE dumbest game plan we could ever try to execute in C-Link. You want some interesting information about our game plan in week 2?

We ran 47 out of 55 plays from SHOTGUN. Let me see, the loudest stadium where hearing is an issue and we run shotgun for the entire game.Guess which drive we scored our only 3 points on? It was the drive where we went shotgun only 5 out of 9 plays. It was the drive where Gore got his 5, 3, and 4 yards.

It was literally the dumbest game plan. We never attempted to quiet the crowd and establish our run.

Honestly, I think Jim experimented that game and was f**king around. I really hope so because it was dumb.

So for all of that, your only point about the holes in SEA's defense is their ranking in rushing y/c? The rest of it is your issues with your OC.

SEA's YPC of 4.1 is ranked 14th but they've given up the 3rd fewest points rushing (24). The top 5 teams in YPC? NYJ (2.9), AZ (3.5), CLE (3.5), BAL / CAR (3.7). How many of those teams are a legitimate playoff team, one? Only 2 of the top 10 teams with a better YPC ranking have given up fewer points to the rush.

SEA has the #1 DVOA ranking in defense overall (11th rushing, 1st passing). There's no arguing that their average YPC figure is high, but it's due to 2-3 games with poor performances that bump your average. SF's YPC has been impacted in the same way (4.0) but they've given up more than twice as many points (54). Further, SEA has only given up a single rushing TD that resulted in the other team taking the lead. That said, it would seem that SEA handles the rush extremely well inside the red zone (where it counts).

As for week 2, Gore averaged 1.8 yards per carry in that game and I've gone back and forth on this exact topic with several others on this board so hopefully I can avoid having to do that again. Maybe had you guys run more or run less shotgun he would have broken a couple of 15+ yarders but you're operating on assumption and I couldn't care less what might have happened. I've seen the threads here and you guys have a million different ideas about how you can call plays better than Roman. That's between you and him but don't use hypotheticals about a game that you lost to try and poke holes in the SEA defense.

These are very valid points JC. Naturally, we aren't too fond of our OC to say these least (esp. the run game as of late and our passing game overall that relies on 1 or 2 receivers only). Seattle is excellent of playing jam-defense; stuffing the WR's at the LOS and being physical with them througout (and after) the play. As a result, they can also stack the box and run blitz - stop the run en route to pressuring the QB. It's THAT simple. Dick and their S allow them to do this and it works great. I don't see many glaring holes in their defense or their scheme.

Where JC is coming from is that we "may" see a different game plan this time around b/c week 2, despite all the prep-time, was about as counter-productive as you can get and despite that, it was still a fairly close game until the very end. If Roman wants to win this game, it will come down to one down: First down production. He has GOT to use his full arsenal and the ENTIRE field against Seattle to loosen them up. Basically we should prepare for a lot of this: . 3 yard run, 4 yard swing pass, 7 yard soft zone catch by Miller/McDonald/Gore, etc. Basically, slowly body-blow them, spread them out with 3 and 4 WR's to create short easy passes and bigger running lanes. When they blitz the edge, hit a quick pass to that spot with Gore/James/Hunter. Then in the second half, the DL should be more tired and worn down from being on the field so much and then start taking some more intermediate and deeper shots. Dick and company are terrific on the edges and deep coverage but where they do have a weakness is on outside, inside (quickness) moves esp. against bigger bodies with Boldin/Crabtree who can use their bodies. Manningham can be electric off the LOS to create space but he has to be clean. Running him from the slot could be a big mismatch in our favor. McDonald could be the X-factor in this game. If Roman ever decides to use him in the more traditional WCO manner, dropping down in those soft zones as an outlet for CK "when" he gets pressure, he is not only a guy who can instantly turn and get YAC but PUNISH anyone who tries to tackle him (body-blow).

Essentially, this game comes down to almost 100% on Roman and will have to be completely opposite from any offense we've run in two years and esp. against Seattle. It will require patience, real production (not 0 or negative yards) on first down, be methodical and in the passing game, provide several receiving options for CK esp. outlets when he IS pressured. I have yet to see anything close to this for CK and this offense thus far so we'll see. Roman is out of excuses now...

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by mayo49:
More slants and screens.

Our linemen suck at screens man, that is why we do not run them very often.

Yeah, they do suck at it. Need to add that to the arsenal. Hopefully, that work on it more in the off season.

It sure seems like having a good screen game would help loosen up a defense if they are stacking the box to stop the run - although maybe having so many defenders up on the line is why screens aren't effective for the 9ers.

Slants, on the other hand, are something that we may see work on Sunday. In the Rams game, Manningham and Kap looked really in sync on a couple of slants that got pretty good yardage. With Crabtree, V. Davis and Boldin getting a lot of attention, I can see Manningham getting open on quick slants.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by mayo49:
More slants and screens.

Our linemen suck at screens man, that is why we do not run them very often.

Not sure I fully agree...I believe they "suck" b/c teams are stacking up to 10 defenders in the box when Roman runs a very rare screen outside. This means 3 or 4 defenders are already RIGHT THERE knifing through gaps to stuff us for loss. For a screen to work, the "blocking" is more about the guys on the outside (the non-target WR's blocking out their mans effectively, the OT walling off the oncoming LB's, etc.). It's more the timing is the issue than talent. That and like our passing game, it rarely seems to be emphasized, let alone practiced to perfection. A good time to run a screen is when we spread 3 wide (esp. with Boldin/Crabtree blocking), run Miller out of the backfield to help the OT wall off the oncoming traffic. This would probably be best to run to Staley's side since he's a little quicker. If they had this built in as a call at the LOS where it was obvious the defense would blitz to a certain side, it would be a HUGE gainer.

Originally posted by 49erphan:
It sure seems like having a good screen game would help loosen up a defense if they are stacking the box to stop the run - although maybe having so many defenders up on the line is why screens aren't effective for the 9ers.

Slants, on the other hand, are something that we may see work on Sunday. In the Rams game, Manningham and Kap looked really in sync on a couple of slants that got pretty good yardage. With Crabtree, V. Davis and Boldin getting a lot of attention, I can see Manningham getting open on quick slants.

Spot on!!!

Seacawks are being very coy about Harvin status. Some reports say he wants to play this week (although he hasn't practiced) and others say he really won't play until the playoffs. I guess it's only smart gamesmanship for them to make the Niners wonder if he'll play on Sunday or not. They can still f**k off.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by mayo49:
More slants and screens.

Our linemen suck at screens man, that is why we do not run them very often.

Not sure I fully agree...I believe they "suck" b/c teams are stacking up to 10 defenders in the box when Roman runs a very rare screen outside. This means 3 or 4 defenders are already RIGHT THERE knifing through gaps to stuff us for loss. For a screen to work, the "blocking" is more about the guys on the outside (the non-target WR's blocking out their mans effectively, the OT walling off the oncoming LB's, etc.). It's more the timing is the issue than talent. That and like our passing game, it rarely seems to be emphasized, let alone practiced to perfection. A good time to run a screen is when we spread 3 wide (esp. with Boldin/Crabtree blocking), run Miller out of the backfield to help the OT wall off the oncoming traffic. This would probably be best to run to Staley's side since he's a little quicker. If they had this built in as a call at the LOS where it was obvious the defense would blitz to a certain side, it would be a HUGE gainer.

Watch the linemen when they pull...are they at the edge when the RB makes his first move after receiving the ball? Or does the ball carrier have to wait for them to arrive in order to set up his blocks. I've not seen a SF lineman pass the LOS on a sweep this year unless they came from that side...right guard pulling right type of play. They are not quick linemen and so they are limited in what run plays they can use. But! They do have some very creative run plays that make pulling less important. That's one reason they use the jumbo package...they can attack with Kilgore in the backfield and he can hit any hole fairly quickly which helps somewhat.

This is why they lost the super bowl and the NYG game the year before...they have a difficult time against teams with really good, quick front sevens.

Originally posted by ninerjok:

Seacawks are being very coy about Harvin status. Some reports say he wants to play this week (although he hasn't practiced) and others say he really won't play until the playoffs. I guess it's only smart gamesmanship for them to make the Niners wonder if he'll play on Sunday or not. They can still f**k off.

He's got some inflammation in that hip. I don't think he's playing. They'll probably shut him down for the playoffs.

Originally posted by mayo49:

****Tingle Update**** The penis see's a close game. 27-21, Niners.

I can now sleep comfortably at night through Sunday. Thank you Mayo's penis! You truly are magical.

Originally posted by pelos21:

Originally posted by mayo49:

****Tingle Update**** The penis see's a close game. 27-21, Niners.

I can now sleep comfortably at night through Sunday. Thank you Mayo's penis! You truly are magical.

The Niners just need to play straight up smash mouth here. Just pound it for the entire game and hit a few PA passes. No cute stuff, that is where we make mistakes and the Hags feast on that junk. Play them pound for pound, keep it close just like in 2011 and let the defense win us this game. If The Hobbit can move the ball well, we won't be able to keep up with them anyways. We need to keep it out of their hands and in ours.

If we come out trying to relive the Packers game? I am going to be FUMING.

I would like to see some bunch formations, they seem to work good against that sheattle secondary, or motion the wrs to ease their release.

Ronnie Lott was on KNBR this morning and he said Kaep MUST go after Seattle's secondary in order for them to win. Instead of staying away from them which is exactly what Seattle wants you to do.

I agree!