Off-Season Post #2: Thoughts immediately after the draft (plus draft video)...

Get your analysis but there is allot of potential in there and not immediate impact.

With all of our picks (and high ones at that), I expected more impact for this years campaign rather than just for potential.

If Lattimore can come back and stay healthy, I think it makes this draft look so much better but at the moment, I'm not that excited.

I get potential, for example, Reid may be better but he may not? And say what you will but Goldson made impact hits that set the tone in a lot of games and helped make our D a feared unit.

I just can't wait till preseason so I can see them play and I'm sure I'll have a better feeling about this draft at that time.

Great post Marvin49! I do like the way the front office is using the draft and FA to not only to fill holes, but also replace guys with younger, cheaper options when we need too! Go 49ers!

Originally posted by rk1642:
Get your analysis but there is allot of potential in there and not immediate impact.

With all of our picks (and high ones at that), I expected more impact for this years campaign rather than just for potential.

If Lattimore can come back and stay healthy, I think it makes this draft look so much better but at the moment, I'm not that excited.

I get potential, for example, Reid may be better but he may not? And say what you will but Goldson made impact hits that set the tone in a lot of games and helped make our D a feared unit.

I just can't wait till preseason so I can see them play and I'm sure I'll have a better feeling about this draft at that time.

How many starting spots do you see on this team? "Immediate Impact"? Where is there opportunity for it? Good teams don't NEED immediate impact because they plan ahead.

The 49ers lost 2 important pieces. They replaced them both. They addressed OLB depth which was a problem and drafted Justins possible replacement. That replacement (Carradine) will probably be healthy enough to contribute to the rotation this year. Patton and Lattimore were gravy....and FOURTH ROUND PICKS. If you are looking for immediate impact players, you don't typically find them min the 4th round.

There simply aren't that many open spots for a starter.

As for Reid/Goldson, I honestly think Reid will be better. I was hedging my bets there because I dunno if he'll be better as a rookie.

Good post Marv - an I agree.

A few points.

1). It isn't who had the best draft but, IMO, who had a draft that helped their team the best. IMO, we did. We have a Championship caliber roster with guys who earned the priviledge of being a Niner. This draft creates better competition, fills needs adds yout to experience and sets up next draft for success. Not too shabby.

2). Although Vance McD - TE, is not as fast as Delaine and has been reprted to have some dropsies - he is still fast. He was the 2nd fastest TE in the draft and can also block.

3). There seemed to be 2 versions of Eric Reid - the `11 version and the `12 version. If he goes back to te `11 version we hit it out of the park. I feel we have th coaching staff to take him there.

4). We still have a few gems sitting there in FA.

My thoughts after the draft and trades are niners are going to make total destroy! Seattle is in the sights. Locked and loaded. Superbowl. Only question is Kaep. I love the fact he's our QB but I have a feeling there's a small chance he might have some issues. A very small chance but it's possible. I need to put this feeling into a small box and bury it in my backyard. Maybe smash it with a sledge hammer?

I also think we should factor in guys that we picked LAST year. I think I am seeing that these coaches are looking to give guys a year to sit and learn if they can. So many have written off AJ Jenkins, but I think they were giving him a year to learn. If this is what they are doing with draft picks, how amazing it would be to have a contender, while every year there is a crop of young guys that have learned our system while sitting. Most rookies are not 1st year impact guys..... many, many stars have come out after they sat for a season.

I would have liked to have seen us draft more in the secondary, but I love all of our first 6 picks. I suspect we'll look to improve the secondary in FA and it suggest to me that Woodson may still be on the cards.

I like Dial as well, he's huge and mean and I think he's there to stuff the run. When you think we also signed Dorsey, our d-line and front 7 is shaping up to be possibly the best in the league.

Justin, Dial, Dorsey and Tank all seem to be guys that will need 2 guys blocking them, then you have Aldon and Lemonier coming off the edges - nasty.

Originally posted by ubaisore:
I also think we should factor in guys that we picked LAST year. I think I am seeing that these coaches are looking to give guys a year to sit and learn if they can. So many have written off AJ Jenkins, but I think they were giving him a year to learn. If this is what they are doing with draft picks, how amazing it would be to have a contender, while every year there is a crop of young guys that have learned our system while sitting. Most rookies are not 1st year impact guys..... many, many stars have come out after they sat for a season.

Totally agree. There was alot of criticism about lack of immediate impact from last years class as well.

AJ has been training hard all offseason. We;ll see what happens.
James will be part of the RB rotation when Gore leaves.
Looney was a Tank Carradine style pick...he was hur and he'll play this year. Looney is the reason the team won't resign Leonard Davis.
Flemming and C. Johnson were hurt.

Not sure wat happened with Robinson, but he'll be in the mix next year.

Good teams don't jsut look for immediate satisfactioin fronm their actions. Sometimes they take a guy for potential and then give him a year (couch...Kaepernick....cough).

Originally posted by Buchy:
I would have liked to have seen us draft more in the secondary, but I love all of our first 6 picks. I suspect we'll look to improve the secondary in FA and it suggest to me that Woodson may still be on the cards.

I like Dial as well, he's huge and mean and I think he's there to stuff the run. When you think we also signed Dorsey, our d-line and front 7 is shaping up to be possibly the best in the league.

Justin, Dial, Dorsey and Tank all seem to be guys that will need 2 guys blocking them, then you have Aldon and Lemonier coming off the edges - nasty.

Ray McDonald ain't half bad either.

Thanks for the videos, man! This has the look of a homerun draft. All of our needs were met with talented, productive, high upside players. We'll get immediate impact from Reid, McDonald, and hopefully Carradine. Lemonier, Patton, and Lattimore are all excellent prospects for the future. I love this draft.

Originally posted by Marvin49:

This is why all the seahawk fans make me laugh when they talk about the 49ers getting older. They just don't get it. In this draft alone we replaced Goldson with a younger player. We replaced Walker with a younger player. We drafted Justins heir appearant. We may have drafted Franks heir appearant. Time will tell if these moves work out, but the Niners are working ahead of time to replace aging players.

They seem to think its just a matter of time before they take back the NFL West because the Niners are gtting old. Not so fast there sparky...we ain't going nowhere.

This is why you the man Marvin!!

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Good post Marv - an I agree.

A few points.

1). It isn't who had the best draft but, IMO, who had a draft that helped their team the best. IMO, we did. We have a Championship caliber roster with guys who earned the priviledge of being a Niner. This draft creates better competition, fills needs adds yout to experience and sets up next draft for success. Not too shabby.

2). Although Vance McD - TE, is not as fast as Delaine and has been reprted to have some dropsies - he is still fast. He was the 2nd fastest TE in the draft and can also block.

3). There seemed to be 2 versions of Eric Reid - the `11 version and the `12 version. If he goes back to te `11 version we hit it out of the park. I feel we have th coaching staff to take him there.

4). We still have a few gems sitting there in FA.

Good post and points Vegas...particularly 2) and 3)... V McDonald was flying up draft boards by the time he got picked and rightly so. He is a former WR, a terrific athlete, fast for a TE, very intelligent, very versatile, and of course, has long arms

Reid digressed in 2012 because, IMHO, there were a bunch of new guys in the secondary at LSU and because as a team captain, he probably tried to do too much. That is my guess anyway. The Niner coaches were unanimous in their feeling that he was the best safety prospect in the draft and the numbers tell us he was one of the fastest, most athletic and most intelligent safeties in the draft. I'm quite sure the Niners FO did their due diligence on this guy....and I think you are right. I think eventually he will be better than Goldson...although he may switch to SS pretty soon. He is only a junior and still growing apparently!

More to your point Marvin, I would add versatility, athleticism, speed, and intelligence to the list of attributes the Niners seem to look for in their draft picks....as well as, of course, long arms.

Cheers!

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by ubaisore:
I also think we should factor in guys that we picked LAST year. I think I am seeing that these coaches are looking to give guys a year to sit and learn if they can. So many have written off AJ Jenkins, but I think they were giving him a year to learn. If this is what they are doing with draft picks, how amazing it would be to have a contender, while every year there is a crop of young guys that have learned our system while sitting. Most rookies are not 1st year impact guys..... many, many stars have come out after they sat for a season.

Totally agree. There was alot of criticism about lack of immediate impact from last years class as well.

AJ has been training hard all offseason. We;ll see what happens.
James will be part of the RB rotation when Gore leaves.
Looney was a Tank Carradine style pick...he was hur and he'll play this year. Looney is the reason the team won't resign Leonard Davis.
Flemming and C. Johnson were hurt.

Not sure wat happened with Robinson, but he'll be in the mix next year.

Good teams don't jsut look for immediate satisfactioin fronm their actions. Sometimes they take a guy for potential and then give him a year (couch...Kaepernick....cough).

Yup

If a team is being managed properly they must be prepared for losing players they would probably prefer not to ie Goldson. Having trust in the system in place and the ammunition to ensure you have access to the players you desire as replacements remains critical. Baalke is smart and knows that with a talented scouting department in the salary cap era a team is going to have too much talent to keep. He thinks in advance like a chess player. He straight pimps the compensatory system. He trusts that he has assembled a very good coaching staff to ensure the players brought on board excel.

This draft/off season has owned. Baalke and company really deserve a pat on the back for a job well done. We replaced what we lost, plus added depth at positions of need. This team is going to be a nightmare to contend with end of the season.

Originally posted by Buchy:
I would have liked to have seen us draft more in the secondary, but I love all of our first 6 picks. I suspect we'll look to improve the secondary in FA and it suggest to me that Woodson may still be on the cards.

I like Dial as well, he's huge and mean and I think he's there to stuff the run. When you think we also signed Dorsey, our d-line and front 7 is shaping up to be possibly the best in the league.

Justin, Dial, Dorsey and Tank all seem to be guys that will need 2 guys blocking them, then you have Aldon and Lemonier coming off the edges - nasty.

Another good post here... My one concern coming out of what looks to be a highly successful draft, is a clear cover CB for the slot. It is now obvious that Rogers, despite his cover skills, is ill-suited for that gig because of a lack of quickness at this point in his career. T Brown had a great season last year and may be a candidate for the slot gig if he is up for it because the Niners signed Nnamdi, who can play the traditional corner position that Brown mans now. Culliver seems to be better suited to the outside position too because of his size. So, if Brown can't cover those quick slot guys (and they just got a lot quicker with guys like P Harvin, T Austin and R Swope in the division now), they are going to need to get a slot cover guy quickly. Go get one Trent!

Cheers!.