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Holes remaining in the roster after the draft

CB is a concern...but for next year. A rookie CB wasn't likely to see much time this year behind Nnamdi, Rogers, Culliver and Brown and possibly Cox. Next year it will definitely have to be addressed early.

I'm also uneasy about our backup ILB situation. We just have to hope that either Skuta, Wilhoite or Moody can be good enough in case something happens to Willis or Bowman. If the coaching staff doesn't feel confident enough, they will likely pick up a vet who can play in a pinch.

In today's NFL, it is impossible to have enough depth to prepare for every single thing that can go wrong during a season. There will always be something to worry about. I have to say though, the 49ers are in better position than most teams in the NFL in that regard and that is a very good thing.
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  • LVJay
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Originally posted by LieutKaffee:
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that looks a little loose
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
  1. I wasn't a huge Goldson fan because while making plays, he also made mistakes. Ideally you have a guy who doesn't make many errors and still makes plays. I don't see Reid making many errors, at least not in the passing game (his angles leave something to be desired in the run game, but he's not bad, just not excellent), but he also doesn't make a ton of game changing plays. He's a pure "safety" valve. Your secondary needs both. A guy like Sherman doesn't allow many passes, and it a play-maker. Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu. Now, I understand these are the elite of the elite, however the point still stands. Our secondary will probably get tighter with coverage with Reid, but will miss this. I'm hoping for Culliver to get better as much as anyone, but the idea that someone will just become better because another year passes is a bit optimistic. I'm still trying to see if he could be consistent. He puts together brilliant games, and then falls apart in others. Lets see consistency before we go out guaranteeing it. Please don't bet on Nnamdi. He's been terrible for 2 years, is older, and is getting paid like a #4 CB. Expecting Nnamdi of 4 years ago will yield disappointment.
  2. Hunter isn't fast. He's quick behind the line of scrimmage and shifty, but he's not a guy to spread defenses out. VD, yes, he's our speed threat. Has been for years. Of course CK, but I'm talking about weapons for him, not just him. Clearly we have the fastest QB in football. As for AJ Jenkins and Lockett, they had a combined 0 catches for 0 yards for us last year. I hope they perform well, but just because we want them to, doesn't mean they will. And where is this Lockett bandwagon coming from? One nice comment by Harbaugh? Come on!
  3. KW is coming off injury, and LMJ has had issues with punts (great with kick-offs though). Patton returned 7 punts in college, averaging 4 yards per. That's the type of average I would expect from Joe Staley or Ray McDonald.

Also, as a response to "The coaching staff targeted him, meaning they wanted this guy enough to believe he can come in and be an impact player right away." -- This goes for every single rookie drafted in the first few rounds. After that you take the guy that falls, but at least at first, every guy is targeted. And as history shows, plenty of those guys don't amount to much -- even those drafted by great coaching staffs.
I just got thies txt. Im in boulder. But danny can come and bring u to work. If u want to.

How many games did goldson win for us?? I think there are quite a few that he lost for us... He made play because he was surrounded by allpros! I liked Dashon but really seemed even with the plays he made and the plays he gave up. Wasn't really asked to do much but keep plays in front of him. Reid is a lot smarter player ,I don't expect much of a drop off , and HE WILL MAKE PLAYS TOO.
I guess Kyle gonna run back kicks and punts(he was doing better than ginn last yeAr) and if Aj don't make starting wr he should be handling those duties.
Our pass rush will return our secondary to all pro form .
And lets hope last years draft comes through for OL depth
Jenkins 40 WAS 4.37...PLEASE tell me WHAT iS ELItE SPEED? and I'm from Illinois and I watched this guy play for 3 years and He does play at that speed 4.37...So my question is, WhAT is ELITE SPEED
Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
Originally posted by spizzy:
1) You werent a Goldson fan, yet are upset that we lost a play-maker? Reid does more than solidify us. The coaching staff targeted him, meaning they wanted this guy enough to believe he can come in and be an impact player right away. Secondly, our corners are better than average, Culliver is only going to get better (on the field) and I believe Nnamdi will be a big help now that hes back to playing on-man coverage.

2) Speed on offense??? CK, Hunter, James, Vernon, all keep defenses honest. Yes we could use ONE speedy receiver, but I have a feeling Lockette will step up and be that guy, if not AJ.

3) Kyle Williams is actually solid (sans obvious bad memory) and LMJ will eventually be that guy. Probably this year he will be ready to field punts, also I believe Patton has some experience but I could be wrong

4) I agree with this one, we need a solid swing tackle like Boone was a couple years back

This.

1. Secondary- We will have one of the better pass defenses in the league next year, not because we have the greatest secondary, but because we will have one of, if not the best pass rush. Brown and Rogers are both solid- very good with a good pass rush. Nnamdi and Culliver will be playing elite press coverage with the dominant pass rush that we should have. Reid will be one of the top rookies in this years class, won't be too much of a drop off from Goldson initially. The hole again will be at strong safety. Hopefully Whitner works hard in the offseason on how to cover somebody. Our secondary will only struggle if for some odd ass reason our pass rush struggles, which it shouldn't and better not!

2. Speed on offense- We got plenty of speed at the running back, quarterback, and tight end positions. As long as either AJ jenkins or Lockette step up to the plate, then we have a guy who can stretch the field. Otherwise this is a legitimate concern.

3. Punt Returner- I'm probably in the minority, but still think Ted Ginn is one of the top punt/kick returners in the NFL. Think he was dealing with something last year. He was a homerun threat who could take it the distance at any given time. Think we may miss that. However, if Lamichael can get a feel for catching punts, he should be an excellent option here. Otherwise, Kyle Williams is very solid, just not so much in clutch situations. Also, I believe Patton has some kick return experience, not sure about punt return.

4.Solid OT backup- Out of Looney, kilgore, and that other fat guy we drafted in the 7th round we should be able to figure out some kind of appropriate rotation in case one of our tackles goes down. Boone can kick out to tackle and one of those 3 fat guys should be able to come in and play guard. And if they all suck, hopefully we'd be able to find a solid veteran on the free agent market. But this is an if scenario and thus I'm not too concerned as we are set with our starters.

1. You make a lot of assumptions about guys like Nnamdi playing "elite" press coverage after 2 years of major decline.
2. If AJJ steps up we'll have some speed. He has 0 catches in his career. Yes, Harbaugh said the name Lockett. Other than that, the guy's done nothing yet. Lets not get carried away.
3. "if" again. If James can get a feel for punts we'll be fine. But as of now he doesn't. I can say this about the Jags QB situation: "If Gabbet gets a feel for the pocket and completes more passes with less interceptions then we'll be totally fine at QB." See, its' pretty easy.
4. Having Boone move outside in case of injury constitutes a hole. Solid veteran OTs aren't hanging around the FA market right now... (or ever). Plus, we have exactly no money
Originally posted by British9er:
Interesting that speed and McDonald was brought up. I suppose you missed that he was the fastest TE at the combine this year at both the short and long shuttle drills .

Oh and Vernon is the fastest TE in the game in a straight line (Vernon's 40 time btw 4.38 is still a combine record for a TE). McDonald is 4.69sec 40 hardly makes him a slouch either - at 6'5" and 265lbs - in fact it was good enough for 5th fastest this year.

I think we have enough pace at TE but happy if you can identify a couple of TE's that are faster ...........

I know that speed kills - as the saying goes - but I also remember a certain WR from Mississippi Valley State who might not have been drafted by the 49ers if speed was the only thing that mattered.

I never said our TEs weren't fast. But otherwise, we lack speed on offense for CK's weapons. Specifically outside. LMJ is fast, but not THAT fast. In a division with Harvin and Autsin, we're currently lacking in the speed dept. I'm not saying we don't have weapons, or effective offensive players, and I'm clearly not saying we should never draft a WR that doesn't run a 4.3, but our team lacks speed on the outside. What part of that is not fair?
Originally posted by jrouter4949:
Jenkins 40 WAS 4.37...PLEASE tell me WHAT iS ELItE SPEED? and I'm from Illinois and I watched this guy play for 3 years and He does play at that speed 4.37...So my question is, WhAT is ELITE SPEED

I liked AJ coming out of college. I had high hopes for him, but there's only so much confidence we can have in a guy that has ZERO catches for ZERO yards, and fails to make it on the field over a no-name journeyman WR after many injuries to the position.
The replies to this thread are insane. Do people believe we really have a roster with 0 holes? Even in back-up positions? That's such a homer view of this team... how do people not see that?! I'm not trying to say this roster sucks, but no holes? You gotta be f'n kidding me!
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Clearly the team has holes.

I am not sure that we have not improved in the defensive back field.

I am going to engage is speculation and I do not enjoy doing that. I am sure that somebody will call me if my speculation is irrational or spurious.

We need to ask ourselves a question. Why was the team so reluctant to sign Goldson to a long-term contract?

The team has been excellent at keeping the players it truly wants to keep.

In Goldson's case, part of the reluctance was clearly economic, but that I do not believe that it was simply a question of money.

My sense is that over the years Goldson has not curbed his aggressiveness sufficiently.

Even though Goldson did play much better over the past two years, he remained over-aggressive.
His need to make the big hit, produced obvious errors--major penalties and busted coverages that resulted directly in extended drives and scores.

In addition, there also had to have been less obvious errors; mistakes that put other defensive backs in the position to lose.

If the frequency of these less obvious errors, less obvious to us, not to the coaching staff, was excessive that would create an unwillingness to sign Goldson to a long-term contract; to pay him the money he wanted.

The other side of these less obvious mistakes is that some other defensive back bares the burden for failures produced.

If we know anything about Eric Reid, we know he can be over-aggressive and that he is a very coachable cerebral player.

If Eric Reid can learn the system and maintain discipline, our pass defense might not be as bad as anticipated.
Clearly, as a rookie, he will make his fair share of errors, but if he plays with discipline and within the scheme his mistakes will be his and not put other players in a losing position.

Again, this is speculation, but it seems, at least to me, reasonable.

I am confident that if I have erred or been unfair, you will call me on it.
[ Edited by buck on Apr 29, 2013 at 2:16 AM ]
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by jrouter4949:
Jenkins 40 WAS 4.37...PLEASE tell me WHAT iS ELItE SPEED? and I'm from Illinois and I watched this guy play for 3 years and He does play at that speed 4.37...So my question is, WhAT is ELITE SPEED

I liked AJ coming out of college. I had high hopes for him, but there's only so much confidence we can have in a guy that has ZERO catches for ZERO yards, and fails to make it on the field over a no-name journeyman WR after many injuries to the position.
they knew when they drafted him that he was thin and would need time. why put a receiver on the field who cant get out of press coverage? thats like taking an option away from your qb. im sure he has bulked up this offseason and we will see a different AJ. im not worried at all, the guy was a stud in school with a horrible qb, he just needed to bulk up. ofcourse this is just assumption right now, but i truly believe AJ will impress a lot of people on here
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
Originally posted by spizzy:
1) You werent a Goldson fan, yet are upset that we lost a play-maker? Reid does more than solidify us. The coaching staff targeted him, meaning they wanted this guy enough to believe he can come in and be an impact player right away. Secondly, our corners are better than average, Culliver is only going to get better (on the field) and I believe Nnamdi will be a big help now that hes back to playing on-man coverage.

2) Speed on offense??? CK, Hunter, James, Vernon, all keep defenses honest. Yes we could use ONE speedy receiver, but I have a feeling Lockette will step up and be that guy, if not AJ.

3) Kyle Williams is actually solid (sans obvious bad memory) and LMJ will eventually be that guy. Probably this year he will be ready to field punts, also I believe Patton has some experience but I could be wrong

4) I agree with this one, we need a solid swing tackle like Boone was a couple years back

This.

1. Secondary- We will have one of the better pass defenses in the league next year, not because we have the greatest secondary, but because we will have one of, if not the best pass rush. Brown and Rogers are both solid- very good with a good pass rush. Nnamdi and Culliver will be playing elite press coverage with the dominant pass rush that we should have. Reid will be one of the top rookies in this years class, won't be too much of a drop off from Goldson initially. The hole again will be at strong safety. Hopefully Whitner works hard in the offseason on how to cover somebody. Our secondary will only struggle if for some odd ass reason our pass rush struggles, which it shouldn't and better not!

2. Speed on offense- We got plenty of speed at the running back, quarterback, and tight end positions. As long as either AJ jenkins or Lockette step up to the plate, then we have a guy who can stretch the field. Otherwise this is a legitimate concern.

3. Punt Returner- I'm probably in the minority, but still think Ted Ginn is one of the top punt/kick returners in the NFL. Think he was dealing with something last year. He was a homerun threat who could take it the distance at any given time. Think we may miss that. However, if Lamichael can get a feel for catching punts, he should be an excellent option here. Otherwise, Kyle Williams is very solid, just not so much in clutch situations. Also, I believe Patton has some kick return experience, not sure about punt return.

4.Solid OT backup- Out of Looney, kilgore, and that other fat guy we drafted in the 7th round we should be able to figure out some kind of appropriate rotation in case one of our tackles goes down. Boone can kick out to tackle and one of those 3 fat guys should be able to come in and play guard. And if they all suck, hopefully we'd be able to find a solid veteran on the free agent market. But this is an if scenario and thus I'm not too concerned as we are set with our starters.

1. You make a lot of assumptions about guys like Nnamdi playing "elite" press coverage after 2 years of major decline.
2. If AJJ steps up we'll have some speed. He has 0 catches in his career. Yes, Harbaugh said the name Lockett. Other than that, the guy's done nothing yet. Lets not get carried away.
3. "if" again. If James can get a feel for punts we'll be fine. But as of now he doesn't. I can say this about the Jags QB situation: "If Gabbet gets a feel for the pocket and completes more passes with less interceptions then we'll be totally fine at QB." See, its' pretty easy.
4. Having Boone move outside in case of injury constitutes a hole. Solid veteran OTs aren't hanging around the FA market right now... (or ever). Plus, we have exactly no money

Quit your worrying. The season doesn't start for another four months.
1) If Rogers or Nnamdi aren't cutting it, they will be replaced.
2) The Niners have 7 WR's on the depth chart. The best 5 will make it and they will be better than last years group.
3) The Niners have 3 PR options in James, Cox, and Williams. May the best man win.
4) The Niners signed Marquardt as a UDFA to be the swing OT. If he doesn't cut it, they will find someone who will.

They were "out of money" to sign the free agent class till Willis redid his contract to free up some space. They have plenty of options to of the same thing again if needed.

So turn that frown upside down. All is not lost..................especially not before the first of May.
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
  1. Secondary. I'm not the biggest Reid fan, but I wasn't a Goldson fan either. I think he solidifies us, but we lost a play-maker aspect as well. We're still average at CB, and lack for an impact playmaker.
  2. Speed on offense. LMJ and AJJ were added for that last year, and only 1 of them contributed. I love Patton but he's not a burner, and neither is McDonald. I think we'll have guys that could move the chains, but not stretch defenses out the way a Tavon Austin or Hunter would.
  3. Punt returner. Hmmmm.... we should probably do something about that...
  4. Solid OT backup. Somehow I'm not sure that a late 7th rd rookie will be able to fill that void right away

1. I like Reid, but I don't think he makes us better at this point. He just replaces Goldson. What we still lack, is an upgrade at CB. I think we are actually pretty good at CB on the outside. Culliver and Brown are solid. Rogers is good on the outside, he only struggles in the slot. We NEED a slot CB. We did nothing to address the problem in the draft while our NFC-West opponents got better (Harvin, Austin).

We should have picked BW Webb in round 3 instead of Lemonier.

2. I think we are good on offense. I think the fact that we didn't get a burner WR is a vote of confidence in AJ Jenkins. Also, Patton is faster than he gets credit for. He has game speed and can stretch the field. Also, LMJ will have a bigger role this year. I expect we will see him on the field more in different alignments.

3. Patton has experience returning Punts. I also like K. Williams and LMJ in this role.

4. This is something that we can still address with second tier FAs. I'm sure we will bring in a vet to compete in camp.
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Reid will prove to be better than Goldson in coverage and just as adequate in run support.

Vernon Davis is the fastest TE in the NFL. LaMichael James is our speed back. A.J. Jenkins and Lockette are both burners. Michael Crabtree isn't slow. I've seen him beat corners deep numerous times but we had Alex at QB and couldn't hit the deep ball. Our offense doesn't require two-three burners on the field at the same time....it's just not what we do.

Punt Returner.... Kyle Williams is actually pretty decent. The 2011 NFCCG was an exception to the rule IMO. Marlon Moore is also a good return guy.

Between the new rookie, Al Netter and Kenny Wiggins, I think the coaching staff will be able to produce a solid swing tackle from this group. The each have some talent.
[ Edited by SaksV on Apr 29, 2013 at 8:28 AM ]
Originally posted by jrouter4949:
Jenkins 40 WAS 4.37...PLEASE tell me WHAT iS ELItE SPEED? and I'm from Illinois and I watched this guy play for 3 years and He does play at that speed 4.37...So my question is, WhAT is ELITE SPEED

I hope you sort out that wacky cap key issue ;)