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Glenn Dorsey is a better 3-4 DE than McDonald

All I know is he's a better DT than he is a DE, but is willing to play anywhere...exactly the kind of player Fangio wants. Add another "big" in the draft and our DL should be set. FWIW, I think Philly really overpaid to get Sopoaga...but that's their business. I like the Dorsey signing a lot.
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Originally posted by mebemused:
Originally posted by dj43:
I spent a couple of hours at Chiefs Planet tonight on the Dorsey thread. Majority of Chief fans felt he would have been much better as a DT in a 4-3. They were discussing the possibility that the 49ers would move him to NT in the base and DT in the nickel and dime sets where he would be much more effective than the way Crennell tried to use him the last three years.

Everybody over there seemed to like him. They just felt he was misused in KC.

Thanks for taking the time to see what Chief fans, who watched Dorsey for 4 years think about him.

I really like him one-gaping at DT on passing downs. I think we will get more pass rush up the middle with him on passing downs.

He never fulfilled Chief's hopes of a pass rusher. He was a very solid run defender - difficult to move out of the hole. Able to get off blocks well. Hope was that he would become a Jared Allen-type pass rusher, which would have been a very high achievement since Allen is still one of the better pass rushers in the league. Still, the big problem seemed to be that Romeo Crennell's system just did not fit the talent well.

The Chiefs have a good deal of young talent on defense (offense is also better than their record) but the never jelled. Of course when the QB position is a turnover machine it can be discouraging for the defense.
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Originally posted by dj43:
He never fulfilled Chief's hopes of a pass rusher. He was a very solid run defender - difficult to move out of the hole. Able to get off blocks well. Hope was that he would become a Jared Allen-type pass rusher, which would have been a very high achievement since Allen is still one of the better pass rushers in the league. Still, the big problem seemed to be that Romeo Crennell's system just did not fit the talent well.

The Chiefs have a good deal of young talent on defense (offense is also better than their record) but the never jelled. Of course when the QB position is a turnover machine it can be discouraging for the defense.

Jared Allen type of rusher? Dorsey was never that guy. Even if Dorsey exceeded his potential, he was not going to be Jared Allen. Jared Allen is 6'5 - 6'6 275lb guy. The comparison is absurd.
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Jared Allen type of rusher? Dorsey was never that guy. Even if Dorsey exceeded his potential, he was not going to be Jared Allen. Jared Allen is 6'5 - 6'6 275lb guy. The comparison is absurd.

Yeah, where did that even come from??!! They're like opposites. Dorsey clogs holes and Allen speed rushes around the outside. What I like about Dorsey is that he can play the line on either the 4-3 or the 3-4 and occupy blockers, making it easier for Aldon Smith and Brooks to move around and get to the QB.
If Dorsey is a poor pass rusher, then he is the greatest run stuffer in the NFL!

EPA, or expected points added, measures the impact of a play on the probability of scoring. It's a great metric.

Dorseys playmaking exceeds McDonalds on a per game basis...don't have per snap data
Originally posted by dj43:
He never fulfilled Chief's hopes of a pass rusher. He was a very solid run defender - difficult to move out of the hole. Able to get off blocks well. Hope was that he would become a Jared Allen-type pass rusher, which would have been a very high achievement since Allen is still one of the better pass rushers in the league. Still, the big problem seemed to be that Romeo Crennell's system just did not fit the talent well.

The Chiefs have a good deal of young talent on defense (offense is also better than their record) but the never jelled. Of course when the QB position is a turnover machine it can be discouraging for the defense.

That's completely false.

He was a poor pass rusher at LSU but has an elite 0 tech and 5 tech for his size.
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Originally posted by 24plus25er:
Considering Dorsey has not had Tomsula's coaching applied, I think after everything comes out in the wash we all will say Dorsey is a better talent. Not a huge difference but Dorsey is better I believe. He was drafted 5 for a reason, just sucks that the Chiefs could never mold a defense.


Better than who? McDonald? It's not even close. McDonald is far better. Where are people getting these idea's from?

Who cares where he was picked in the stupid draft. RJF was picked in the 7th round and will command a higher price than Dorsey. Dorsey is not bad, he fills a role, but he is no where close to McDonald. McDonald is a force against the run and with getting pressure. He might have outplayed Justin Smith last season.

The last sentence takes any credibility you may have had away from the entire post.

Did you not see what happened when Justin Smith went down? What a ridiculous statement to make.
He's better at getting injured. I'll give him that.
He isn't better but he has potential to be better.
Originally posted by gold49digger:
He isn't better but he has potential to be better.

Empirically, he's better
Dorey is better play than Ray Mac??? U make me laughing it.. Dude! I love Ray Mac because he started to push up and forward to push that he gave us spead for better defense! U don't know If Dorey will plays at 49ers this preseason games how good or bad plays for either.. wait and see till Aug between Sept..
Glen Dorsey is too small to excell at NT 6'1'' 297 we brought him in to back up J.smith and McD and rush the passer as a DT in a 4 man rush NT need to be at least 320 so they dont get pushed around dont be Surprised if the niners takeJOHN JENKINS 6'6'' 358 in the 1st round if Datone Jones is gone
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The fact that we're debating and comparing the two is awesome. If we're doing that, then you know Baalke and Paraage did good.
The NT talk is surprising and so is the talk of him replacing Ray Mac.

We only asked Soap to play 30% of the snaps last year, so if Dorsey could prove marginally effective at that while rotating with Smith at the RDT spot in our nickle & dime sets, than great. We also have a Ian Williams and potentially a high draft pick at NT if Doresy doesn't look good there. At worst, I see him rotating with Smith at the RDE/RDT spots to make sure Cowboy has enough juice at the end of the season. That will only help Aldon and the pass defense late in the year.

It might also add another year to Justin's career. If not, his replacement will be familiar with the system and already on the roster. Not that you can really replace Cowboy.
Regardless of his being equal or better to Mac, he resolves the problem we had last season...we have someone worth rotating in our DL. If Smith and Mac can rotate out with this guy then we have a fresh front line at all times...Aldon is in for a great year next season again. What's more we reduce the odds of last season happening again.

If Justin was healthy in the superbowl we win that game. Our defense fell apart without him.